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blubbi 2010-05-15 09:49
GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
Hi N900 Users,

did someone experience the same issues like I did explained below:

Sometimes the GUI freezes, well, how should I explain it... I can do everything except clicking on icons and widget on the Desktop. BUT, after a period of time ALL my clicks are executed. So suddenly every application I clicked on opens.

Second annoying thing I observed is the fact, that applications do not respond despite the icon (or close, minimize, whatever button) gets highlighted. For example clicking on the close "X" Symbol gives me the visual feedback that is has been activated, but the application does not close.

Is there a minimum push time to activate a button? Like push it for 2ms only highlights it but does not execute the command behind the button. Pushing the button for 10ms finally does what I expect.

So am I just to fast? And if this is the case, is there a way to adjust the "timeout"?

Cheers
Bjoern

cardiff-blues 2010-05-15 11:19
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
how odd. I have just started experiencing this as well. It first happened 2 days ago and I noticed that the calendar wouldn't open when I was clicking on the widget and it has just happened again about 5 minutes ago. I tried to open and app but nothing was happening on any icon. It was as if the whole screen becomes unresponsive.

Perhaps we can work this out by finding recently installed apps. What have you installed these last few days?

cardiff-blues 2010-05-15 12:10
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
I have just started uninstalling some recent apps in case one of them is to blame. I took off the autolock app, world clock widget and some others which I'm pretty sure have not caused the issue.

Metalov 2010-05-15 12:24
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
I've been experiencing the same thing since 2 or 3 months. It just happens randomly, sometimes twice per day, sometimes once per week... Killing hildon-home through X-Terminal lets you get rid of the particular instance of the problem but it won't prevent it from happening again.
Don't really know what's been causing it since I couldn't be bothered to find out.

blubbi 2010-05-15 14:56
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
Well, it really seems to be random.

Is there straight forward method to find all the apps which are additional to the defaults?

I don't have to kill anything. I just have to wait a while (Minutes...) and then suddenly everything I clicked pops up. And I have to close each app I desperately clicked on.

The status applet and switching desktops works flawless, even the top left "Multi function button" works, I can go to the applications and start each application from there, but not from the Desktop.

But did anyone experience the other issue, when clicking a button really short, it gets highlighted but not executed.

Cheers
Bjoern

Bazza 2010-05-15 15:35
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
Yep got the same problem myself although selecting icons is a problem i can still scroll left and right to different screens so the touch screen is still responsive, a reboot solves it though.

Edit

Also has anyone experienced battery drain as well?

blubbi 2010-05-15 15:39
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
What happens when you click on multiple Icons, then go to the applications (via the top left multi purpose button) and start a application from there?

Do all apps you desperately clicked on on your Desktop suddenly start? Maybe wait for a few minutes... I never had to restart my device because of this.

Cheers
Bjoern

Bazza 2010-05-15 15:59
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
I will have to wait until the phone locks up again and i will try what you said.;)

dannydj 2010-05-15 16:59
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
same as blubbi here too.. i think it's time to take my n900 out of the window

blubbi 2010-05-15 17:15
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
Is there a bugreport about this?

I couldn't find one.

Cheers
Bjoern

Bazza 2010-05-15 19:02
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
Is it worth us listing down our last five apps we have installed and compare results OR is it too earlly to say whether its a serious bug?

blubbi 2010-05-15 19:35
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
Well, it happens randomly and for me it was not the first time.

Run this to find all apps installed from "repository.maemo.org".
I added "/var/lib/dpkg/status" just in case there are apps which come from a disabled or removed repository.


Code:
dpkg -l | awk '/^.i/ {print $2}' | xargs apt-cache policy | awk '/^[a-z0-9.\-]+:/ {pkg=$1}; /\*\*\*/ {OFS="\t"; ver=$2; getline; print pkg,ver,$2,$3}' | grep -e "repository.maemo.org\|/var/lib/dpkg/status"
So here is my list, lets see if we have something odd in common.

Code:
3g2g-mode-selection-applet:                                                                   
angrybirds:                                                                                   
bash2:                                                                                       
bluetooth-dun:                                                                               
bounce:                                                                                       
cellmo-watch:                                                                                 
conversations-inbox-widget:                                                                   
currencyconverter:                                                                           
decoders-support:                                                                             
extcalllog:                                                                                   
fiasco-flasher:                                                                               
flashlight-applet:                                                                           
flite:                                                                                       
fuelpad:                                                                                     
gpodder:                                                                                     
gpodder-icon-theme:                                                                           
gstreamer0.10-ffmpeg:                                                                         
gstreamer0.10-flac:                                                                           
gstreamer0.10-flv:                                                                           
gstreamer0.10-mkv:                                                                           
gstreamer0.10-musepack:                                                                       
gstreamer0.10-ogg:                                                                           
gstreamer0.10-rm:                                                                             
gstreamer0.10-theora:                                                                         
gstreamer0.10-vorbis:                                                                         
hildon-desktop-python-loader:                                                                 
ipython:                                                                                     
irreco-backend-internal-lirc:                                                                 
irreco-core:                                                                                 
irreco-for-n900:                                                                             
isa-utils:                                                                                   
kobodeluxe:                                                                                   
kobodeluxe-data:                                                                             
libart-2.0-2:                                                                                 
libflac8:                                                                                     
libflite1:                                                                                   
libgnomecanvas2-0:                                                                           
libgnomecanvas2-common:                                                                       
libgnomeprint2.2-0:                                                                           
libgnomeprint2.2-data:                                                                       
libgtkextra-x11-2.0-1:                                                                       
libmpcdec3:                                                                                   
libogg0:                                                                                     
libpoppler2:                                                                                 
libqt4-maemo5-core:                                                                           
libqt4-maemo5-dbus:                                                                           
libqt4-maemo5-gui:                                                                           
libqt4-maemo5-network:                                                                       
libqt4-maemo5-opengl:                                                                         
libqt4-maemo5-script:                                                                         
libqt4-maemo5-svg:                                                                           
libqt4-maemo5-test:                                                                           
libqt4-maemo5-xml:                                                                           
libsdl-ttf2.0-0:                                                                             
libtheora0:                                                                                   
libvorbis0a:                                                                                 
libvorbisenc2:                                                                               
libvorbisfile3:                                                                               
lirc:                                                                                         
load-applet:                                                                                 
load-applet-ximagewsrc:                                                                       
luxus:                                                                                       
maemo-launcher:                                                                               
milkyway-wallpaper:                                                                           
nano:                                                                                         
numptyphysics:                                                                               
ogg-support:                                                                                 
omweather:                                                                                   
omweather-weather-com-stations-db:                                                           
openssh:                                                                                     
openssh-client:                                                                               
openssh-common:                                                                               
openssh-server:                                                                               
openvpn:                                                                                     
openvpn-applet:                                                                               
orrery:                                                                                       
personal-gprs-mon:                                                                           
personal-ip-address:                                                                         
petrovich:                                                                                   
poppler-utils:                                                                               
powertop:                                                                                     
proximityd:                                                                                   
pymaemo-optify:                                                                               
python:                                                                                       
python-cairo:                                                                                 
python-central:
python-dbus:
python-evolution:
python-feedparser:
python-gconf:
python-gobject:
python-gtk2:
python-hildon:
python-hildondesktop:
python-minimal:
python-mygpoclient:
python-notify:
python-numeric:
python-osso:
python-simplejson:
python-support:
python2.5:
python2.5-minimal:
python2.5-qt4-common:
python2.5-qt4-core:
python2.5-qt4-gui:
python2.5-sip4:
qt4-maemo5-homescreen-loader:
recorder:
rootsh:
shortcutd:
shutter:
simple-brightness-applet:
sliderule:
stellarium:
stopish:
storageusage:
tcpdump:
tracker-distutils:
tracker-extractor-flac:
tracker-extractor-vorbis:
transitioncontrol:
tweakr:
vgb:
vgba:
wget:
wifi-switcher:
xournal:

Bazza 2010-05-15 19:52
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
The two apps i see that we both have are

3g2g-mode-selection-applet: (new install)

flashlight-applet: (updated)

and these two apps i have recently installed or updated within the last 2 weeks.

Do these apps ring any bells with you?

blubbi 2010-05-15 19:56
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
mmh not that I know, but when the lock occurs the next time, I'll uninstall those two and see what happens.

Anyone else here to compare the list of apps to mine?

Metalov 2010-05-15 20:09
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
conversations-inbox-widget
flashlight-applet

Some others too but I don't believe they could be causing the problem (installed most of them after it first happened 3 months ago). Pretty sure I've had the 2 above-mentioned before it first occured.


Edit: I THINK it first happened shortly after updating my conversations-inbox-widget (there hasn't been a new version for 3 months I think), but it could have of course coincided with installation of some other application (flashlight-applet? or something else).

Bazza 2010-05-15 22:51
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
I had a problem with another application and after uninstalling it the fault disappeared.

check this thread out http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=48242


Hopefully a few more people with read this thread and comment on it and we may get a fuller picture of what might be causing our desktop icons to become unresponsive.

Blaizzen 2010-05-16 04:53
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blubbi (Post 659825)
Is there a bugreport about this?

I couldn't find one.

Cheers
Bjoern
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8723

fms 2010-05-16 05:19
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
This is most likely due to massive swapping and/or other disk activities. Do not forget that the mmc card access is very slow and once the kernel starts swapping pages there, things tend to freeze. And yes, there is a bug tracker for this:

https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6382

blubbi 2010-05-16 09:39
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
Well, I don't think this is due to swapping.

I have a CPU and Memory applet installed which shows the current CPU and Memory used as a bar in the status bar, and neither is near the maximum.

Another evidence against load/swap:
Starting a application which was unresponsive on the Desktop from the "Application Menu" works right away.

So in my opinion something prevents shortcuts on the Desktop to be executed.

Bazza 2010-05-16 12:12
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
After reading bug report https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8723

It seems that most people who are experiencing this bug have a mixture of dataplan monitor, recaller and simple FM transmitter widgets on their desktop. I have all 3 which i have recently updated; so i'm going to disable all 3 reboot my phone and report back to this thread in 7 days time or before if the bug shows itself before that time.

crown77 2010-05-16 12:15
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
@bazza i dont use any of those 3 widgets on my n9 but i also have a problem with this bug so i guess its not about this widgets.

blubbi 2010-05-16 12:21
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
Well, I have only three widget active:

- Personal Dataplan Monitor
- Personal IP Address
- Calendar

So if you remove "Personal Dataplan Monitor" I'll keep it. If your problem is gone and it occurs for me again, the probability is high that "Personal Dataplan Monitor" was the cause, otherwise I'll start to iterate trough all combinations of the three.

Cheers
Bjoern

blubbi 2010-05-16 12:21
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by crown77 (Post 660722)
@bazza i dont use any of those 3 widgets on my n9 but i also have a problem with this bug so i guess its not about this widgets.
Oh, okay... then I guess my post above is a wate of time...

Bazza 2010-05-16 12:28
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by crown77 (Post 660722)
@bazza i dont use any of those 3 widgets on my n9 but i also have a problem with this bug so i guess its not about this widgets.
Hmmmm ok, :confused::confused::confused:

i will still do this anyway i rarely use them so its worth a try.

cheers :)


Edit

I decided to keep the 3g/2g switcher widget i just realised i installed it 4 weeks ago and the bug started 10-14 days ago.

fms 2010-05-16 15:25
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blubbi (Post 660565)
Well, I don't think this is due to swapping. I have a CPU and Memory applet installed which shows the current CPU and Memory used as a bar in the status bar, and neither is near the maximum.
Swapping does not require a lot of CPU time (remember, it is mostly data transfer to/from the MMC controller) and you do not have to have your main memory full in order to trigger swapping. As to verifying how seriously swapping system feels like, run FireFox Mobile and see for yourself ;)

blubbi 2010-05-16 15:49
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by fms (Post 660929)
Swapping does not require a lot of CPU time (remember, it is mostly data transfer to/from the MMC controller) and you do not have to have your main memory full in order to trigger swapping. As to verifying how seriously swapping system feels like, run FireFox Mobile and see for yourself ;)
Well, but how do you explain, that I can launch apps from the Application Menu without any delay?

fms 2010-05-17 05:29
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blubbi (Post 660957)
Well, but how do you explain, that I can launch apps from the Application Menu without any delay?
No idea: when the damn thing is slow for me, it launches apps with a huge delay.

cardiff-blues 2010-05-17 08:27
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
It maybe a coincidence by my battery widget / icon won't stay bottom right of screen over the last few days. It has been playing up since around the same time as the icons freezing.

The icons froze yesterday and I left the N900 for about an hour to see if it would sort itself and it did not. A reboot was the only solution.

Pigro 2010-05-17 09:49
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
FWIW - I had similar symptoms on my device: app shortcuts becoming unresponsive when clicked (they'd do nothing for a while but they were 'buffered' so after about 2 minutes all the actions would be carried out at once). Also had substantial slowdown in moving between homescreens when this happened.

This didn't affect contact shortcuts, nor did it affect app's themselves (so, if I clicked on a desktop shortcut to a web page, or to any app, it would hang for ~2 minutes before starting ... but if I launched the same app from the app menu directly, it would start no problem durign that 2 minute period).

In my case, I had multiple instances of the Desktop command execution widget running (from memory: rootfs % free, battery % remaining, last reset reason and uptime) - I removed them all and my problem was immediately resolved.

May be unrelated, but anyone with one or more of those DCEW's running who's got similar problems may want to try removing it/them to see if it helps?

dj_steve 2010-05-17 10:04
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
saw someone mention about time it takes for input to register in one of these posts, now provided theirs no tweaks been done top the kernel the normal touch time to register input on touchscreen is set as 10ms in the kernel driver for it if i remember correctly

Bazza 2010-05-18 09:59
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
Well i am experiencing some serious battery drain as well.:(

I charge my phone through the night every night and from average use at the end of each day i would normally have 3 quarters battery left. now my battery is ready to give out about 10 at night.

This could be related to the freezing bug or it may not, but they have both come about roughly at the same time. :confused:

Anyone else got unexplained battery drain who also has the desktop icon freezing bug as well?

Bazza 2010-05-23 11:11
Re: GUI (half) freez and unresponsiveness off clicked icons
 
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Originally Posted by Bazza (Post 660718)
After reading bug report https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=8723

It seems that most people who are experiencing this bug have a mixture of dataplan monitor, recaller and simple FM transmitter widgets on their desktop. I have all 3 which i have recently updated; so i'm going to disable all 3 reboot my phone and report back to this thread in 7 days time or before if the bug shows itself before that time.:

UPDATE

Right

It has been 7 day's since i have done the above and my phone has not shown any sign of the desktop icon selection freezing bug.:)

Has anyone who has experienced this bug still got it??


Also the battery drain i had earlier on in the week has stopped i'm back to 3 quarters full at the end of each day. good but strange :confused::confused:


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