Flash 10.1 beta for mobile out... just for Android
 

So the flash 10.1 public beta for mobile is out... but just for Android 2.2. ( http://labs.adobe.com/technologies/flashplayer10/ )

What's up with that?!?! Where is the Maemo5 version?

I also read this from Engadget ( http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/20/f...how-froyo-now/ )

"There is work under way for other platforms, so we are still working with the Symbian teams, the RIM team for BlackBerries, Palm webOS, [and] Windows Phone.."


So I quote myself from few lines up: "What's up with that?!?! Where is the Maemo5 version?"
Are we actually being totally dismissed and forgotten or what the F... flower.

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I can't wait for this to happen on the N900, but if it doesn't I might be reluctant to buy the Nexus 1 as my "Other" phone.

N900 needs:

1.PR 1.2 Update
2. Ovi Maps 3.0
3. Adobe Flash 10.1

If this all happens, there is no reason to have another device IMHO for a long time to come.

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It's very weird that they don't even mention MeeGo there imo. Nokia have been long time partner with Adobe and haven been strong with flash for long time. That all will change in a one month thought. When it comes to Maemo 5 that was what the talks have been telling lately from Adobe. Nothing is certain yet thought.

Flash runs great on overclocked N900, but that's not excuse not to get Flash 10.1.
I'm big fan of Harmattan and Harmattan was the reason i joined this community, not fremantel. I would honestly think of getting Android phone with 2.2 rather than Harmattan if flash is not coming there.

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Im afraid we wont see flash 10.1 on n900...

unless the demo version from the video gets leaked..
or if some fanboy finds a way to hack it from another OS to maemo5.

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my phone is going straight on ebay! They really abandoned the n900 community to focus on newer products (read N8). They were selling this device for 599$ and all what we have in this times (with more than one phone OS) is an old and buggy crap! FLOWERS!

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This is true in my opinion.

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Flash for Android was announced now most likely in connection with Google I/O, the Google Developer Event in San Franscisco:

http://code.google.com/events/io/2010/

So chill...

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why do you say that?

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I agree to that statement and for sure there was a special will to have it published at Google I/O with Android 2.2 since both benefit from shared publicity & hype.

...But what I don't get is that why they haven't mentioned Maemo or MeeGo for ages when talking about Flash 10.1. Lats time I remember was that first demo video of 10.1 that didn't actually do wonders when demoed on N900.

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It isn't like the N900 doesn't have Flash already... right?

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So weird because when I got this device (5 months back then) first thing what i did was checked flash version and immediately started to wait for update for it. After seeing adobe video and thought that this device is cutting edge stuff i was certain that this platform will be provided "soon" with some beta version of flash that we can bug hunt....doesn't look promising :|

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I've said it before, I'll say it again. I heard from a top Maemo guy that Flash 10 is not coming to the N900. It will be on the next device. So stop waiting.

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...Right ...and it's great but the issue is with other devices/platforms getting the updated one (which is great) with much improved efficiency and N900/Maemo/MeeGo not being even mentioned... and it's not even the first time they have left those out with their marketing statements. This is what worries me.

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Did he happen to clarify why is that?!?! (and I'm not blaming you) We all know it's not the hardware or platform limitations so Houston what's the friggin' problem?!?!

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dios mio!!!

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Capitalism :D

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Yes... and to be more exact it sounds like short term quartal capitalism. Because if the financial guys would think with slightly longer scope they would provide at least the major updates to the highest paying customers because they want to keep those customers!

I would argue that getting customers and keeping them is a very expensive ...but it's much much more expensive to loose customers and keeping them away.

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Why so pessimistic? I'm willing to bet someone will try and wrap it in a nice warm blanket. As much as I wish Flash would die, I see the right person being able to make this run on an n900. Even if it's interacting with binary blobs inside Android 2.2, I'm sure all the interface API's are well known.

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This is not even being released on other versions of Andriod AFAIK. Not got 2.2? TOUGH.
I live in hope, but I'm not holding my breath... :) :p

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forums.adobe.com/thread/643017?tstart=0

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Ok, I confess that I hold out some hope that enterprising hackers will be able to take the Flash 10 binary from some other (CPU & kernel) compatible device and get it running on the N900. However, that hack would be technically illegal and may arouse the ire of some company or other. But again, I hope not...

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If Adobe were smart (assuming they were the only one involved with ire) they would be supporting the effort if they couldn't justify to their stockholders to invest their own effort (or if Nokia is being slow about it). They need flash on as many platforms as possible for now.

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I'm starting to think Nokia betrayed us and we won't see 10.1 until MeeGo.

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If 10.1 final comes out and there's not a Maemo version, then complain. This is just a beta version.

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Yes, it was with that thought that I consoled myself last time.

And I know you know very well how long the wait has been.

I took Fixed in Fremantle with a shrug and a smile. This time though, there's no underpowered OMAP 2420, no Rube Goldberg display hardware, no minuscule guaranteed on-board storage, no cramped RAM. This time there's only the game.

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We work closely with Nokia, but do not have any announcements to make today regarding Maemo 5.* Stay in touch.

answer from adobe

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The business decision behind this is still confusing to me, a hardware redesign for the next maemo/meego platform will be more than enough to get people to either upgrade or for new customers to purchase. For us N900 users a simple software update to the latest flash version would only foster good vibes with their consumers and show perhaps that Nokia might be changing and considering supporting legacy devices for more than 18 months.

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Well, thankfully there's hope that we might get Android fully running in our N900 and get Flash 10 that way.

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If this is the case, and assuming the MeeGo/Maemo6 device gets it (why wouldn't it), then:

That effectively tells us no Nokia sanctioned MeeGo on the N900.

Unless by N900, it was really meant as Maemo5

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They'll have to explain that.

I swallowed the "no OS2007 on 770" eventually. I understood why Fremantle wasn't ported to the N8x0. Hell, I even understand why PR1.2 isn't available yet. And actually I don't care about Flash at all, I hate it. But if the N900 could run 10.1 technically and they don't include it in a future upgrade, they better have a very good excuse for that.

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I am curious about what the cost to Nokia would be of upgrading Flash. It must be substantial.

It seems to me undeniable that Nokia made a big deal of the Flash support on the N900. The only reason I can think of not supporting the flash upgrade is high expense.

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If that what Qole keep saying it's true, (obviously I don't know how top your fiend is) personally I'll be very p** off. Because what we saw 7 months ago on Adobe presentation 1st device running experimental Flash 10.1 on N900. That was exactly the same time when Nokia released N900 on the market!!!! For me that will be nothing else that FALSE MARKETING from Nokia side. They used Adobe conference to attract people and abandon support on this project?

Technically it is possible to run fully GPU accelerated Flash 10.1 on this device since have all of required chips responsible for acceleration, video encoding and even vector drawing (triangulation). If OS can't handle that, software can always change. If they don't have resources to support N900 and Maemo and changed focus on MeeGoo in future phones they have to keep Flash 10.1 in mind as well. There is pretty straight forward specification from Adobe side what modern device needs to have to run Flash 10.1. And N900 is the on the list. ARM processor is actually same for all of the mobiles and platforms. If they can compile the binnary to this architecture there is no reason why N900 couldn't handle that.

Once again, I don't really care if Flash 10.1 comes up here via hack or any tricky solution.
I can only say if NOKIA using FALSE MARKETING this is very bad for them. People here will do a riot and finally they lost more trusted customers. If this is some technical problem, we can wait. As long as they working together they can work it out.

If this is political/marketing decision only see my first point.

The fact that First beta will be available on Android First was well know from 5 months on adobe labs. So no surprise here this is only confirmation that Flash 10.1 project for mobile devices is on track and we can expect final release soon.

As for now I am big fun of great device. I'm not saying anything good about NOKIA, I have even body protector that cover NOKIA logo. Please NOKIA show me I'm wrong about your FALSE MARKETING.

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I feel sick that because we are a niche OS, we don't get attention like the other big communities. Certainly makes a good case for the whole 'big player monopolies' argument.

Right now we have a phone that can't really do Flash Video which, lets face it, is what iPhone users crave from Apple (certainly what I have read on Apple forums).

We have iPhone-level functionality but with less apps.

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It can , couple of months ago I read in an article that minimum system requirement for Flash was ARM Cortex A8. So it really up to Nokia to add it to N900.

IMHO they will make so many angry and frustrated N900 users happy that we will forgive so many things like PR 1.2 lateness , lack of apps for a 7 months old device and much much more. NOKIA do you hear US ? :(

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On some days, it's small things like this that reconfirm that Maemo just is really no bigger than this forum.

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I don't know what NOKIA know about marketing rules, but here we use to say:

1 well treated customer can bring you 10 new,
1 p** off customer will pull out 100.

This way you are not going in right direction.

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Amen to that!

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I will wait for maemo 5 or meego to get F 10.1 for about 2 months otherwiese il buy the htc desire or the samsung galaxy S

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Matters on your region, however most people in the US, Canada and Japan would probably say "What marketing?"

Outside of those regions, not sure what you'd say. But Flash 10.1 was never part of their marketing to begin with. It was shown by Adobe at an Adobe conference. If the decision to have Adobe skip the current generation OS (or worse, hardware) came from Nokia, then and only then would I be up in arms at Nokia.

As it stands right now, it's all speculation in those regards.

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And staying naive for a while I hope you right.