Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

Android 2.2 Froyo is finally unveiled, 2-5x faster than Eclair....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yAZYS...ayer_embedded#!

When i read and saw the video..i was wondering whts happened to Maemo. ....Has it already given up on itself!
The world is racing up withs its competion on beating up the lastest updates for there OS which makes them STRONGER FASTER AND Staying witth the Pace of todays World Of technology!!!

The Love for my N900 Device is fading because of the OS...So much to still happen to make it more loving!

I wonder if My N900 is going to Live up to the World of todays Technology and features like Other Phones and OS enjoy....Or Its Just going to be Cult figure OF being ALMOST FAMOUS ONCE UPON A TIME!!!!

N900 is a beautiful Device and can work wonders With a More Tweek to its OS! But The thirst is getting stronger.....Hope N900 Comes With a Superman Update ..To make it Live like a LEGEND!!!

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

Well if nokia was confident in maemo then they wouldn't be making meego, would they?

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

[QUOTE=Flynx;668758]Well if nokia was confident in maemo then they wouldn't be making meego, would they?[/QUOT

ARE you trying to say that...MAEMO was One Big Failure And MEEGO is going to Be a Coverup For it. ...If thats true...

Than i think We all Have become a Bunch of fools.....With a BRICK In our Hand!

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

i just saw the video... i think its time for Nokia to prove that they are the best..i still got little faith in Nokia ..

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

[QUOTE=Siddarth;668761]Only until bdogg and dj_steve get android running properly.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

PR1.2 will be released within a week, don't believe me.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

Even Though 1.2 is Released.....Can i USE The Word STRONGER,FASTER.....Unbeliveable!

or 1.2 will just be fixing old leaked pipes!

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

Well I love the N900 specs, with its dsp, and overclockable cpu, hardware keyboard thats backlit, tucked away not really needed stylus, good enough for me camera, micro usb soon with host ability, video out, 1gig ram (i know about the swap), High res display, wifi, 32gig internal and up to 32gig sd card storage, front facing camera, FM TRANSMITTER!!!, bluetooth 2.1, IR port, telepathy program, and debian based OS.

This is a really really long and juicy list of extremely nice hardware and some of them software, in fact on the hardware side its only the battery and placement of buttons and plugs that i buggs me, heck i run my phone at 850mhz and its stable! I LOVE MY DEVICE on the hardware side!!

But the OS is not what id expect, i mean, i truly feel that its has the nicest IM connectivity with telepathy, best multitasking and best web browser on the market, but its lacking of a lot of features, and has a lot of bugs, AND could be optimized a lot in speed and battery use. But dj_steve is porting android 2.1 now as we speek to the device (okay he might be sleeping or working right NOW but you get the point), and hes stated that he is waiting to get his hands on android 2.2 and start porting that instead (the progress he has made on 2.1 should be easy to put on to 2.2).

dj_steve might just be the person who makes it so that i am okay with the OS on my REALLY AWESOME phone, if only android could get the awesome multitasking, telepathy integration and microb it would make the N900 the most awesome gadget of all time!

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

+1

If there was an android phone on the market that could complete with the N900 hardware - I would buy it right now. But there isn't.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

N900 isn't really the bleeding edge in regards to either software or hardware.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

@KONCEPTZ, FLYNX . SIGGEN

+1

I can't really understand why some of the n900 users are looking at the bad sides of the phone now.. and they keeps on comparing it from other phone(on software side)... why just don't look on the capability of the phone and what it can give or do than other phones out there... no one can beat this phone as of now(for me).. but for me the downside of this is the weird thinking of nokia and i don't really know what the hell they are planning about this phone....

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

So what exactly are you missing now that you've stuck to Maemo and not Android?

Face it, the only thing that you want is a more rapid update cycle. I mean you can't compare Android to Maemo, how do you know that whatever Froyo fixed never was a problem in the first place with Maemo? What kind of a wacky attempt of comparing platforms is this?

If you've got a specific beef about Maemo, such as browser experience on Maemo vs. Froyo, then talk about that. No use getting worked up comparing apples to oranges.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

The N900 does not have to have ONE bleeding edge specification, when it has a **** load of on the hardware side a LOT of features, what i missed out in my previous post is frontfacing camera, and I LOVE the notification LED (leds are way old tech, not bleeding edge but way useful), and A-GPS.

on regards to software side,

Debian
it uses debian, which has been an industry standard long time favorite thats about 15 years old now. The debian packaging system is one of the reasons i changed to linux when i was about 15 years old.

PulsAudio
This has made linux and audio useful and user friendly love it

Gstreamer
need i say this is a super library?

GTK
Though its modified a lot from its desktop state, i still like GTK the best except for Cocoa, but that isn't open source :P

there is way more things that is good about the N900 software, but I do agree that they could add features that even the cheapest phones has, but I bought this phone knowing a lot of its limitations anyway, im not sad, but hoping for more with updates.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

but it is the perfect combination to some people... that is only thing that counts.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

My thoughts on what you were saying,

Yes i do like rapid update cycles, Look at the Ubuntu/Debian/Gnome trio, LOVE IT :) And I LOVE reading changelogs, its the funnest thing about updating :3

Of course you can compare android to maemo, they both are software OS es for smartphones and tablets, think about what your saying. Its like saying you cant compare Kubuntu and Fedora because they have different packaging system and desktop environment. Please stop and think about what you were saying :P

How would i know if whatever froyo fixed never was a problem in the first place on maemo? Well thats easy, I know because I have tried Maemo, and if Android made an improvement on something Maemo already is way ahead of it on, well then I have that in mind when choosing OSes

Yes, ive got a spesific beef about maemo, it does not have a chromatic guitar tuner (have not found one that i like/works)

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

The ability to run java apps, for one.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

Can android do that? I didn't know, does it have like a downloadable Jave virtual environment? If your talking about the marketplace with google android apps, they use a special android sdk thats not exactly java.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

Your right, its not exactly java. But from what I understand it is a simple conversion.

EDIT: hmm.... if it is a simple conversion one way, wouldn't it be a simple conversion the other way? convert to java to run on java-enabled handsets?

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

When are official Android 2.2. phones coming out? Later this year, end of the year? I have the impression that even 2.1 isn't on all the phones yet. And the only Android 2.2 "release" we have is inside a SDK.

I guess that MeeGo and Android 2.2 are coming around the same time, then we can compare high and low points of each. Also I think that comparing OS "A" which isn't in any phone yet to OS "M" which is already like one year (or ½ if you take the released to public date) old kind of stupid.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

it doesn't matter maemo is debian. the way nokia updates their software makes it pointless. yeah this device would've been great if it updates like an actual linux.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

at first i have to agree to kazuki the n900 mameo 5 just have a lack of update iam sure the community devs have tons of new stuff and would be able to fix most of the bugs by the time but nokia dont give the PR free.

To compare maemo5 vs android i would say its isnt to compare. Its like i would compare windows 7 with xp. Both are windows but thats it. I only hope that we really see one day Meego for the N900.

The other side if i see that LG stops there Meego Handy Project (Ally) and uses Android instead i fear Meego with take minimal a Year before we see it at some mobile phone devices.

I hope if Nokia decides that Meego isnt offical for the N900 that they give all Maemo Sources free so the community can develop something better from it.

This sounds a little sad and i would love to have bought a great Device with a full opensource System and many "linux like" updates (repositorys full of nightly builds all that good stuff) but i guess i dont..

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

Well Reading through The Thread..
I agree with the hardware Spec....Its Got everything and works great!...exept for a good battery and Softwares that drain the battery!
But in really tech talk....Is N900 a Developers tool Box for creating , hacking and making softwares to fancy the Hardware potential of the Gadget??? or For a Normal being(not a software or OS geek) to use it as a latest Tech gadget boosting about its potential of what it can do than other Phones cannot do???!!!

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

Okay to the conversion question the simple answer to convert Android apps to Java is no... Look at it like this, you have a glass of water and would like to convert the water to juice, thats simple right, add the ingredients! Now how do you convert it back to water if you would like that? Virtually impossible, especially if you already cooked the juice.

Dont go and compare Maemo 5 and Android to Win 7 and XP, you could rather compare Maemo 5 and Maemo 4 with Win7 and XP.

Different Linux distors are not canonical versions of each other.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

For java we have the Microemulator. For me it works fine:)

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

If you were in the market for a generic smartphone, android is and probably always has been superior to maemo.

If you're in the market for a handheld unix computer with a GSM radio, the comparison is silly.

It sucks to see such tremendous potential slowly waste away, and I hope Nokia hasn't abandoned this path for highend smartphones. But in my particular case, the n900 is still the best technology thing I have ever owned. For me, comparing it to an android phone is kinda silly.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

you know the funny thing is that no one on this forum knows what Nokia's vision is about maemo.
Accept it or no majority of the users on this forum are ppl who are disappointed buyers, then there are mixed ppl who are waiting for the update and still have some faith in Nokia. LOL! and then there are Nokia fan boys who have shares at Nokia in Finland so they have their heads digged in the sand and its a sunny shiny day for them, so no need to consider them cus they are of no help and they are just too happy with the remote control so they can turn on/off their tv, & yeah if you really push their buttons they'll tell you to buy another device.
So no one knows what the company is planning to Maemo & the picture is completely blurry after they pulled Meego outta the hat.
So Yes just like you all im also a disappointed user and still have some faith in Nokia. Cus there use to be a time when Nokia was on top of things but I think that they have the old school mentality which definately isnt good enough to compete with the competetors.
Ive seen ppl talking againt any other device specially iphone & android but funny thing is that both of them are getting updates in the near future with confirmed dates & their users are very well aware of what's coming up for their devices.
So i think instead of comparing the devices and specs Nokia should really comapre its cliaentale to their competetors and see what is that much more that they are offering.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

You do realize that you have no proof whatsoever to back up this statement.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

did anyone doubt that android was ahead or will go ahead of maemo?

i think the actual reason why 1.2 is taking so long is because nokia wants to finish maemo once and forever. they know meego is there, but they love us so much they want to do a good job on 1.2.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

If Nokia releases a half-baked update, then the masses will scream bloody murder for releasing it too soon. If Nokia takes too long to release a stable update, then the masses will scream bloody murder for taking too long to release it.

Personally, I'd rather be in the latter category; judging by the update leak, we know it's coming and I'd rather have it released when it's ready and stable.

If you fall into BOTH categories described above, then there is nothing Nokia can do to appease you because you will find anything to complain about. It may be a good time to cut your losses and move on to "greener pastures." Just be aware that the grass ain't necessarily green on the other side of the fence.

- mp

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

I gotta say i'm not a 'disappointed buyer' , but i am a disappointed user mainly due to this whole PR1.2 fiasco. There should be a "maemo time" wiki page just like there is a "valve time".

Agreed 100% that the update needs to be stable. But if it takes so long to stabilize an update, aren't the stability of the core platform and maintenance strategy to be questionned ? Maybe PR1.2 just contained too much and should have been broken down..

What's worrying for me is that if meego is to be the evolution of the maemo platform, will it inherit this nasty development / maintenance cycle ?

Anyways, to get back on android 2.2, i have to say bravo to Google to announcing availability in the "coming weeks" and actually releasing an OTA update only a few days later. Surprises like that always please tech peeps like us.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

In that regard, my $0.02: Nokia had a rough 2009 with layoff(s), cutback(s), and reorganization(s). They are slipping as a company and they know it. What resources they have left are focused on Symbian^3 and Maemo 6/MeeGo; consequently, that means they have very limited resources remaining on hand to support the various Symbian flavors (i.e. S60, S40, etc) and Maemo flavors.

We all believe Nokia has made some poor decisions in the past and we all believe they are making poor decisions now -- they were caught with their pants down by Apple and it seemed Nokia was resting on their laurels. Unfortunately, like being an armchair POTUS, we only have a tiny window into this global cellphone manufacturer. We don't really know or understand what really goes on behind the doors.

I'd hate to use this comparison, but if Apple had nearly the number of phones (legacy and new models) as well as markets as Nokia has, then the playing field would be a bit more level. It seems to me that Apple's business model is to take an existing idea, rethink it, continue to develop it and release it when it is [near] perfect. Unfortunately, it seems that Nokia will have a new idea and attempt to be first to market with it. Whether or not adequate testing was performed -- well, it may seem that way, but again, we don't know the circumstances of what goes on behind the doors.

If I had an issue with my N900 that caused me to lose productivity (i.e. phone drops calls every couple of minutes or something) and I knew that PR1.2 fixed that issue, then I would certainly lose patience. Like I said, we know that PR1.2 is coming. I think that is better than knowing that PR1.2 is not coming.

Sorry... I'm rambling...

- mp

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

Good rant ! ;)

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

i've been shopping for androids and they have caught up with nearly everything. But they still lack full flash and many people say it will be only the nexus that gets it before xmas.

Flash is an important feature for me. The n900 will always be the most perfect phone I was ever dissapointed in... sniff ;)

I love it i have had nokias since 1987, so trust me when i say, i am moving on reluctantly when i find the right android for me.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

Google has rolled out Froyo - Android 2.2 to their own device first. Yes, you got it right, ENGADGET has reported nexus one (Pre-release) getting 2.2 before the expected release. Flash 10.1 is there :D

Impatient users can download the offline update from XDA forum.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

With Android the Nexus One will get updates first (it's Google's own platform). With everything else it's dependent on your carrier (if you don't do it yourself with leaked versions or ROMs).

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

The main stability issues, afaik, come from trying to implement things you asked for.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

Interesting; I wonder what you mean? We know that PR1.2 was frozen a long time ago. What IS taking so long? Could it be that the best developers are focused on MeeGo and the ones left behind are over their heads?

By the way, to switch topics quickly, why is the leaked PR1.2 unstable enough to warn people, yet the Hong Kong release isn't? We have someone here from Hong Kong and he hasn't mentioned unstability problems.

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

This all conjecture from me, but Nokia has an office in Beijing. Perhaps some Maemo development is occurring there and by releasing to that region first, it may be easier to test and react to issues. *shrug*

- mp

Re: Google Android 2.2 Ahead Of Maemo PR 1.2?
 

what is PR1.2?? is it like some kind of crazy rumor about nokia looking after their clients before their warranties run out??