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Sopwith 2010-05-21 18:30

God 2.0
 
Something to discuss during the weekend:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/20...etic-life-form

In a few words, humans can now synthesize life.

kd_alex 2010-05-21 18:34

Re: God 2.0
 
Uh oh! This sounds similar to the start of the "I am legend" movie. Not exactly the same, but you watch, there will be vampire zombies running around in no time.

Sopwith, nice find. Definitely an interesting accomplishment for science.

zehjotkah 2010-05-21 18:36

Re: God 2.0
 
hummm...
did they created life, or did they implant synthetic DNA to an existing life?

joshv06 2010-05-21 18:38

Re: God 2.0
 
This is dumb, will the life have a soul?

kd_alex 2010-05-21 18:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by joshv06 (Post 669696)
This is dumb, will the life have a soul?

Don't worry. Science will learn to create souls too! :p

shapeshifter 2010-05-21 18:41

Re: God 2.0
 
news flash: There is no soul.

zehjotkah 2010-05-21 18:42

Re: God 2.0
 
are there souls??
I thought every human IS a soul.

baron von bubba 2010-05-21 18:43

Re: God 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by joshv06 (Post 669696)
This is dumb, will the life have a soul?

one of the biggest scientific breakthroughs of our/all time.............
and its dumb???? jeeeez

why should it have a soul? does any life form?

giannoug 2010-05-21 18:43

Re: God 2.0
 
That's somehow good. In some years Nokia will grow programmers in the same way. My kids will never live a speculation thread like I do, but they won't have to wait months for an update :p

Rauha 2010-05-21 18:45

Re: God 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 669694)
did they created life, or did they implant synthetic DNA to an existing life?

Latter. Also worth pointing that the DNA in question was created out of scracth only in chemical/physical sense. The information content of the DNA is from sequenced natural DNA/genes. Long way to go until we are able to really create life. Here is the actual paper from Science (no subscrition / academic license required).

Also, why 2.0. Shouldn't there be a 1.0 version release before 2.0?

Dave999 2010-05-21 18:47

Re: God 2.0
 
they can implement the next generation of smartphones in the brain with instant updates.

geneven 2010-05-21 18:51

Re: God 2.0
 
This topic is also the cover story of the Economist this week.

gerbick 2010-05-21 18:53

Re: God 2.0
 
So this is how it all ends, eh?

nilchak 2010-05-21 18:54

Re: God 2.0
 
Forget 2nd Life guys - its time for Synthetic Life 1.0. And its
the real stuff.

Yes this is not really Life from scratch - but synthetic DNA in a real bacterium cell.

As Freeman Dyson said very aptly ...

Quote:

"Every big discovery starts with a bad proof'".
But most of the time, its these bad starts which pave the way ultimately for big discoveries and breakthroughs.

leetut 2010-05-21 21:57

Re: God 2.0
 
im gonna build a church and worship this, who knows in 2000 years i might have duped half the planet that my god is real!
(sarcasm?)

festivalnut 2010-05-21 22:03

Re: God 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by leetut (Post 669911)
im gonna build a church and worship this, who knows in 2000 years i might have duped half the planet that my god is real!
(sarcasm?)

oh holy patchwork synthetic amoeba, hallowed are thy multiplication. although you live in a petri dish and were created by a few guys in white coats, please grant me the power to smite lesser mortals... i don't see it catching on...

Rauha 2010-05-21 22:08

Re: God 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nilchak (Post 669720)
Yes this is not really Life from scratch - but synthetic DNA in a real bacterium cell.

Nothing new about synthetic DNA in bacterial cell. I've personally geneticly modifield bacteria with synthetic DNA many times.

It's more about the amount of information contained in the used transforming DNA, I.e using whole genome. It's nice new method for doing genome level genetic modification. It can be used in biotechlogy for massive genetic modofication and creating new bacteria strains for all sorts of cool stuff (bioenergy etc). One day it might be one of the methods used for creating 'new' species.


Quote:

Originally Posted by nilchak (Post 669720)
But most of the time, its these bad starts which pave the way ultimately for big discoveries and breakthroughs.

It's very nice start and interesting experiment.

istarskyypsilon 2010-05-21 22:16

Re: God 2.0
 
Its like building a new organism but its build up from molecules found in natural organisms. So its not being "god", rather redesigning "gods" creations on a molecular level. If one is breeding animals in a classical sense its similar but without this much control.

Nevertheless synthetic biology will probably produce rather "new" organisms, since there are so many combinations on a molecular level.

festivalnut 2010-05-21 22:23

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Quote:

Originally Posted by istarskyypsilon (Post 669928)
Nevertheless synthetic biology will probably produce rather "new" organisms, since there are so many combinations on a molecular level.

well we share 98% of our dna with chimpanzees. so think how much variety you could get with just 2% leeway, then consider we apparently share 50% of our dna with banana's... with 100% control we could MAKE SHARKS WITH FRIGGIN LASERS ON THEIR HEADS!!! :) :) :) :) :)

Bundyo 2010-05-21 22:29

Re: God 2.0
 
Or better

http://maemo.nokia.com/img/n900-survey-device.png

Hmm, seems like they left their e-mail in the DNA... Maybe as a bug-tracker link... :D

optimistprime 2010-05-21 22:38

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sharks with lasers? id just be happy with genetically engineered hot chicks with 3 boobs!

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...orn/3boobs.jpg

istarskyypsilon 2010-05-21 22:38

Re: God 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by festivalnut (Post 669932)
well we share 98% of our dna with chimpanzees. so think how much variety you could get with just 2% leeway, then consider we apparently share 50% of our dna with banana's... with 100% control we could MAKE SHARKS WITH FRIGGIN LASERS ON THEIR HEADS!!! :) :) :) :) :)

:D i'd prefer something more beneficial though, like dishwashing monkeys or badger car mechanics....

istarskyypsilon 2010-05-21 22:40

Re: God 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by optimistprime (Post 669946)
sharks with lasers? id just be happy with genetically engineered hot chicks with 3 boobs!

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n...orn/3boobs.jpg

Do you have three hands? I have two so ithink the way it is is good...:)

optimistprime 2010-05-21 22:43

Re: God 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by istarskyypsilon (Post 669950)
Do you have three hands? I have two so ithink the way it is is good...:)


no, but i have two seriously big hands..

festivalnut 2010-05-21 22:44

Re: God 2.0
 
mwahaha its all part of my plan! while you debate and perv over the merits of 2 vs 3 boobs, my sharks are taking over the world with their laser beams! did i mention i just gave them legs and made them 70 foor tall?

istarskyypsilon 2010-05-21 22:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by optimistprime (Post 669953)
no, but i have two seriously big hands..

so why don't you make 4 boobs then:rolleyes:

optimistprime 2010-05-21 22:52

Re: God 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by istarskyypsilon (Post 669956)
so why don't you make 4 boobs then:rolleyes:

c'mon, 4 boobs is just greedy, and a violation of nature!

istarskyypsilon 2010-05-21 22:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by optimistprime (Post 669964)
c'mon, 4 boobs is just greedy, and a violation of nature!

Well if you do something you have to do it right:D 3 just doesnt fit. What else in the human body is there three times? none!:cool:

festivalnut 2010-05-21 23:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by istarskyypsilon (Post 669967)
Well if you do something you have to do it right:D 3 just doesnt fit. What else in the human body is there three times? none!:cool:

2 hands + 1 mouth though!

optimistprime 2010-05-21 23:15

Re: God 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by festivalnut (Post 669976)
2 hands + 1 mouth though!


buy that man a beer, and a lapdance(from a girl with 3 boobs)

baron von bubba 2010-05-22 00:27

Re: God 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by optimistprime (Post 669964)
c'mon, 4 boobs is just greedy, and a violation of nature!

4 all the way dude!
two on the front and two on the back!

sparkle58 2010-05-22 00:44

Re: God 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zehjotkah (Post 669706)
are there souls??
I thought every human IS a soul.

I have to agree with that sentiment, we are souls. Some just more than others ;)

harp 2010-05-22 00:47

Re: God 2.0
 
A man just hacked a new life form and somehow we're talking about giving girls more boobs. Go human race!

...

Crogge 2010-05-22 00:47

Re: God 2.0
 
How are three boobs related with God 2.0 oO?

Edit: I agree Harp, we humans are so primitive and horny :/

schettj 2010-05-22 00:55

Re: God 2.0
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by shapeshifter (Post 669703)
news flash: There is no soul.

Just because you don't have one doesn't mean everyone else doesn't too ;)

harp 2010-05-22 00:58

Re: God 2.0
 
@Crogge

You forgot greedy.

Cue 2010-05-22 01:16

Re: God 2.0
 
there was a good bbc program about this a while ago following their progress.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/b00m6nhq

to be honest I think creating "life" is nothing more extraordinary than any other chemical. What we call "alive" is nothing but a small definition. I consider a virus to be primitive life and self replicating nano machines a virus. except you won't hear many scientists say that. "we're not creating a virus we're creating a tool (machine)".


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