Problem with the Flashing Software to reset MMC after 1.2 install
 

Dear Maemo Community,

I was positive surprised today that version 1.2 finally released, I tried to install it of course directly.

So I started the NSU on my XP Dell notebook and it couldn't find my phone at all (It worked fine before), equal what I tried nothing worked.

Right, so I tried the manual way as it is described in the news. Downloaded flasher 3.5 and used the command "flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f" which worked fine, then I used "lasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R" and the following stuff comes:

Windows can't install a device (Which is not even shown in the device manager) and it stucks there forever.

- Yes, I tested different drivers and uninstalled the old ones before
- I tested different modes on the phone without success
- I used the search function and didn't found a valid solution

I tested it also on my other notebook (ASUS G73) with WIn7 64bit and there it detect no phone at all (This was the point where I wanted to hit my phone with a big knife).

So is there a way to fix this problem or reset the eMMC manually somehow? I have a lot of mess installed and the phone is not really smooth at all, still 1.2 seems to be installed fine cause it shows "Version: 10.2010.19-1".

Re: Problem with the Flashing Software to reset MMC after 1.2 install
 

You must to flash emmc BEFORE PR 1.2 and don't restart beetwen.
Try flash RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin agian by Flasher-3.5.exe

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I see, well look at http://thenokiablog.com/2010/05/25/h...900-maemo-1-2/

1. flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f

2. flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R

So they wrote it wrong?

Re: Problem with the Flashing Software to reset MMC after 1.2 install
 

As always could you tell EXACT version of your OS (with service pack number)?
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=4955

"...Notice that e;;C flashing works with Windows 7, Vista with SP2 and XP with SP3
(Windows XP with SP2 may NOT work in all PCs!!)..."

Re: Problem with the Flashing Software to reset MMC after 1.2 install
 

Try reflash ONLY RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin. It help me in like case :)

Re: Problem with the Flashing Software to reset MMC after 1.2 install
 

No and No. Please read wiki and
http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php right column

Re: Problem with the Flashing Software to reset MMC after 1.2 install
 

Dell NB - WIndows XP SP3 (German)
Asus NB - Windows 7 64bit

Same issue on both devices, I can't reset the eMMC because it stucks at the device search. Now I have a software salad on my N900 which seems to be partially incompatible with 1.2 -.-

Only my Blondie desktop works still fine :(

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Do you have other device besides keyboard and mouse installed in usb? Do you use usb-ports directly in your computer? Is pc-suite running when you are trying to flash emmc? (if so close it) Is AV-software running when you try to flash?

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No, I use on both notebooks not even a mouse currently because I disconnected all optional devices.

i never used the PC suite because it always crashes directly on the XP machine.

I use AntiVir on the XP machine, I can try it again disabled but it never caused any issues yet.

I saw that there is a alternate way with a Linux boot CD, someone got that successful running yet?

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Yes. Linux-livecd probably works, but it would be nice to solve this because there seems to be some people who have this problem.

.edit
Might be some weird glitch in windows usb drivers for some people but who knows?

Re: Problem with the Flashing Software to reset MMC after 1.2 install
 

Hmmm.
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10264

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Well the strange thing is that I have TOTALLY different system here (Hardware and Software) and that both have exactly the same issue with the N900 only. I flashed already other devices like the N95 on the XP machine before without any problems.

I really begin to loose the trust towards Nokia with all that trouble, its the third time that I have to flash my N900 (Before software like Joikuspot bricked my N900). That is the reason why my nerves are getting killed currently.

Edit: Is it really required to add "-R" add the end of the 2nd command? Just a thought.

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This is bit extreme but i could try this.
- Install first fiasco (without -R switch)
- Take usb off (does it btw. reboot automatically from this?)
- Take battery off
- Put it back
- Connect usb with "u"-key
- Run flasher with emmc image and -R switch OR run flasher before connecting usb

Re: Problem with the Flashing Software to reset MMC after 1.2 install
 

You are sure that this couldn't break the device?

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Of course not. Probably wise to find out some other way. Just came to my mind.

.edit
Look like other have done it and probably i would also. Only thing you have to be careful is that battery is almost full.

Re: Problem with the Flashing Software to reset MMC after 1.2 install
 

Flashing is never going to "break your device as its only software and i beg to differ on the Nokia advice telling people to NOT flash emmc before fw, load of rubbish as its been proven on here many times it is in fact a better way to flash.
Try emmc first then fw and you will find it solves your issues and remember flashing software does NOT kill a device as it is completely reversable in any case.

Re: Problem with the Flashing Software to reset MMC after 1.2 install
 

I will try to flash the eMMC before I install the FW then, if it will ever detect my mobile. Chances are 50:50 that it will be detected still this year.

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No chance, this cheap piece of flasher software doesn't runs on any machines I have here. I always stuck at the "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." part after it said "Booting device into flash mode" :(

I guess only Linux will help, its really sad that Nokia isn't able to get some better developers.

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Hmmm..And you might also give thought to fact that it works for quite many people. It´s always funny and sad to see people go nuts because something doesnt work on their specific system. I can understand this on some level, but you have to also realize that this is not case of Macintosh where almost everything is controlled. World of pc+windows has n+1 different installation scenarios and it´s impossible to take account all of them.

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Never, is really powerful word.

No-one has probably said that it would not work, but then again do you really think that Nokia guides that procedure just to fck with people...yes probably not. And what makes you think it´s better way to flash? Can you give some examples and results?

Also "reversable in any case" is powerful thing to say and i would never ever say something like that. For example as we have seen gsm-fw is not reversible but you can make it work by making some stuff that is not well documented. So you really really piss me off. You just say different things as facts just because you have read that some user somwhere has tried and it worked for them. I wonder how your friends like being with you mister "I know it all" (except that I can't prove anything).

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Yes, it works with my N900. But I had a problem with custom kernel - tried to update eMMC via Ubuntu Live CD, but did not succeed.
I got the update in my app manager, downloaded and installed it. Now do not have any problems at all.
So I suggest you - if you are not in a hurry - wait for app manager to receive the update.
Regards.

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Tried 3 different setups here. All fail at flashing eMMC. Gets stuck looking waiting for device.

1) Win 7, 64-bit, driver signing off: Wouldn't find N900 at all
2) Vista, 32-bit: Flashes fiasco no problem, waiting for device for eMMC
3) XP, SP3: Same as Vista, fiasco fine, won't do eMMC.

Will try yet another computer today (on which I've successfully flashed eMMC before) . Currently PR1.2 is very unstable on my N900, I really think I need to start fresh, but can't yet flash the eMMC. Pretty annoying, not using anything non-standard, bone-stock off the shelf Dells and Compaqs.

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Try to update with Ubuntu Live CD.
It recognizes eMMC. I suppose that Windows OS does not recognize the file system of eMMC.
Regards.

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You seem to really know it all don't you so ok read this then talk....
As the fw and/or emmc is NOT written to a worm or rom device in any way then it IS completely reversible as you would know if you did some homework on the schematics of the N900.
Anything we write to the N900 IS completely reversible and i don't even have to be a Nokia design engineer to know that after looking at the schematics, they were at least clever enough to go that far on the design to let it be open for development purposes so you really do need to get YOUR facts right before trying to argue with someone with over 2 decades of programming and troubleshooting experience as i base my facts on general everyday experience of past work and sometimes don't even have to think to know an answer.
Fact also that the only thing software driven that will kill N900 is a overclock situation but apart from that i don't see anything else "kill-able" by software in the device (hence the closed drivers to keep developers from doing harm).
Try to at least spell and please do refrain from making uneducated nasty comments.

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The point here is that I hereby admit that actually I really do not know much. I can speculate and guess, but to say something as fact here I would need some links/sources/documentation to back my facts.

And still I do not care that you have seen schematics. Probably nokian's have testbed where they can do whatever they want to this device. So what? Right now it seems that modem fw is not reversible with given tools. You can always of course argue that any encryption is breakable with right tools and enough resources but that´s just academic jerk offing.Saying that it´s a fact that you can´t brick your N900 sounds just bit off. For example I have been on forums where people have bricked their cd-rom drives, GPU's, motherboards just by applying wrong FW. YES it´s possible to reverse it but not by themselves so basically they have killed their device and only way to resurrect it is to send back to vendor.

And btw. as you know this is my second language and at least I know how to put paragraphs. And please try to think even then when you thought that you do not have to think.

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Well Linux was the solution to solve my problem, it worked just fine without any issues.

I write here the basic steps just in case someone else got a similar issue:

1. Get a Ubuntu Live CD (Just download the default Desktop version) and burn it on a empty CD

2. Get the .tar.gz version of the flasher from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-d...-downloads.php and download the related firmware from http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php

3. Move the downloaded files on a USB stick or something similiar, you can unzip already the .tar.gz file and put all files including the firmwares in the same folder.

4. Boot from the CD (You may need to set your CD drive as first boot device) and select "Test Ubuntu (Live mode)".

5. Open a terminal and linux and open your USB stick (Probably in /media/<stickname>/...)

6. Use the command "sudo ./flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> -f -R" to flash your device, it seems to be better if you flash the eMMC image first. Be sure that you start the flasher first and connect the phone afterwards, it will detect it just fine then.

That's it, everything worked fine for me in a few minutes.

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Thanx! I might go this route. My Laptop dual boots WIN 7 x64 and Kumbutu 10.4.

The instructions all say to do FIASCO before eMMC. Why are you suggesting the reverse?

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Sure, but I don't know if it works also on a 64bit Linux fine.

Well, it got suggested in this thread and other threads show that its more effective that way. Still I think it doesn't really matter much.

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what will happen if disconnected after it says unable to find usb ...during emmc flash

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I haven't seen anyone reference an issue with 64 bit Linux. This aversion to 64 bit stuff needs to be stopped, especially from an ostensibly Geeky/Techy branch of this type of company! I haven't been on a 32 bit OS for a while.

Re: Problem with the Flashing Software to reset MMC after 1.2 install
 

Is there much difference between the US and Global versions?

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No idea, but the global releases seems to be supporting all languages (Including English). It installed fine and detected automatically my phone language (German).

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Slender i just do not understand what your really trying to say here and by the way i have been out all day but my pc has been online that's the reason i have not replied till now.
Ok i apologise for English not being fluent for you but you must try to understand something here and that is when i make a comment or a fact about the N900 i don't need to look for example posts to prove anything i have said simply because of my experience in the past with troubleshooting known and unknown hardware and software design faults being the main part of my work.
I will in fact start a thread regarding the issue's of "bricking" the N900 so everyone can in fact have an input and i can do this with expertise due to my background then i will tell you the thread name.
Your understanding is not full because you are obviously not an engineer and i took for granted that maybe you were and that's the reason you don't understand me in full.
You going off on a different road altogether here and it does not apply to the N900 the facts you are talking about.
N900 is not a cd rom drive and we are not talking about encrypted fw here as it is in fact open source linux.
I will start the thread and get back to you.

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Actually in a matter of speaking I am :| M.Sc.
And I thought quite contrary about your statements. I tried to find scientific way of looking things and not to jump conclusions about "facts". And why you are talking about encryption? Ain´t just some parts of FW updates closed binaries and flasher program flashes some parts only if it´s older (like gsm modem fw). And more importantly what I said were NOT facts as you are referring they were just observations how other devices work when we are speaking about fw-updates. (Btw. because of what you have said here (or way how you have said it) it also means that it´s "fact" impossible to hack official image file or flasher so that it bricks your device to condition that user is not able to fix it. So if this is the truth then you actually might be right)

But it´s nice that you are planning to make wiki/thread about this issue and that is probably the most appropriate way to use our energy here in maemo-world.

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OK i have started the thread let's see what happens and once again i apologise if i was hard on you as i think it was a simple case of misunderstanding each other
Thread is...
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...047#post683047

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Yes your right about the closed driver issue but even if they are not available openly still does not mean it possible to "brick" permanently the N900, anyhow see what the thread brings and i am sure you (and me lol) will read.

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You guys should take this BS - Pissing contest offline. You're not impressing anyone here.