Flash video playback problems with pr 1.2
 

Hi all,

Please don't scream 'read all the other bug posts', as they aren't exactly indexed!

Can anyone else confirm that prior to yesterday's upgrade flash content in webpages played ok, and now performance seems to be impaired, or am I just unlucky?

I've noticed that percentage loaders stick at 1 percent on some videos and freeze.

Anyone else?

I don't want to bias your obesrvations, so I won't trouble you with the specific sites, lol

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It was one of the first thing I checked on youtube- worked flawlessly for me. No lag or anything.

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I noticed that too! Not all sites work as smoothly as they used to on 1.1.1 and often stick at 1 percent. I thought it was because of newer flash that maemo does not support, but it is an aweful coinsidence (do you spell it this way?) if all these sites update on the same day 1.2 comes out. This is not just you!

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this has been happening over the last week or so. it is because a lot of places are switching their web content over to work with flash 10.1 now, and n900 is still running flash 9.4. first i noticed was a few days ago when trying to use the bbc iplayer website. the videos wont play anymore :( just the sound plays.

the bbc live beta websites still work. if anything they seem slightly better.

so it's not a pr1.2 problem, its flash

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I'm pretty certain it's pr 1.2 as 12 hours earlier the same sites played fine. I work in video and can almost guarantee that these flash files will not have been re-encoded just for a flash player upgrade. They don't need to be, plus all the player skins look identical, as in no changes....

any more ideas?

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cough, not sure the sites I've been looking at will get a flash player upgrade anytime soon...

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I can confirm that now Iplayer only plays sounds no video...

Can anyone use iplayer pre pr1.2 and / or after?

BTW tried low res version too, same result...

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Will flashing emmc make any difference as people suggest? Although they can't explain why....

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Hi, just to add to the mix & not provide any solution!

I can confirm before the PR1.2 update I spent the weekend happily and smoothly playing youtube and iPlayer. After the upgrade I get the same, sound only on iPlayer. Youtube appears similar to before. some glitches, but that may be signal based instead.

I really hope we can get iPlayer back. I loved using it on this device.

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So not just me then...

Anyone else have any ideas?

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I get the same problem (stuck at 1%). I thought it was my Internet connection but these videos play fine on my system.

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yup its definately pr1.2, usually if its a flash upgrade from the site it will prompt you to upgrade rather than hanging at 1% i really hope there's a quick fix for this because having to download all my "special interest" videos in advance is kinda inconvenient!

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I can only guess that this a pr1.2 problem and not a flash 10 issue as other have suggested...

I've not had much luck identifying a similar bug report on bugzilla
https://bugs.maemo.org

Is anyone able to report it? I will but it would be my first time, lol!

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yes, the loss of special interest videos would be some what frustrating!

Glad I'm not the only one!

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Yes I can confirm that. I was crying about performance loss from leaked PR 1.2 hoping its only because of unofficial version.

Base on my project flaemo I noticed about 30% performance loss. (intentionally I' was using exactly the same build and version) Big impact on smoothness when you sliding the desktop. I was even trying to replace old version of plug-in, no differences. Seems to me like this is issue related with new MicroB improvements.

This PR completely made my project useless via MicroB, previously the whole solution was designed just for that environment. Pushing performance tweaks to the limit I was very happy with result. But at the moment whatever I'm trying to do even small experiments with few items on the stage, on low quality... the same symptoms.

Seems to me like something from outside keep attacking flash plug-in constantly. And my bet is I/O. Because when you run Flash files using FlashLauncher instead, performance is brilliant, but try to enter some text into input field and you'll see how quickly and repeatable hardware trying to pass data to the flash player making it stuck.

I think guys founded the way around and using some dirty hack to stop any external signals since flash player sits on MicroB. But this encapsulation unfortunately cost N900 to much resources.

That's why I was so p*** off that day. The same day news about lack of 10.1 in the future and Flash 9 working even worst. Flash It's big deal for me since I bought this device as my primary mobile testing platform. Now I can enjoy everything else I love about N900 expect I love the most.... :(

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@devu

I can view your website on my phone the same way i could before the update

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Thanks - So what's the next step?

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Yes using the lower res version with popout player in full screen...

doesn't work now on pr1.2 - well for me at least, but it did previously.

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Read the Performance Monitor then.

From my observation


PR.1.1
MAX FPS 28
When sliding the desktop slowed down to 22 even if sliding like crazy.
Average time needed for recalculate every frame - 31ms

PR.1.2
MAX FPS 26
When sliding the desktop slowed down to 16 FPS.
Average time needed for recalculate every frame - 39ms

But that is not only the issue.
When I sliding desktop there are noticeable glitches and always jumps to the final position instead of smooth tween/ease.

I did some tests with just one element dragging it with the same ease functions. Its always jump. I check 3 different tween libraries and custom code to simulate tween, same result.

Compare to PC version or FlashLauncher... its nothing to compare really.

Usually when you using some enter frame listeners (to many of them) and using tweens you can see very similar smoothness loss. But that only telling me like some kind of "enter frame listener" is already running on top of flash player and causing synchronization problems that has impact on the smoothness.

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Im watching a video about Miles Davies on bbc.co.uk right now and its playing perfect!

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Flash and Youtube are not exactly the same thing and not apple to apple for comparison. As pointed out, most major sites are changing over to check for Flash 10, even if some of the content is not 10. Sites that worked and played content no longer work and ask for the newest Flash player. Seems to be enough posts to suggest there may be a problem with (not Youtube) Flash performance since the upgrade, but again- moot, since most sites will soon not work anyways. Well, the ads will still work, of course ;):mad:

One way to get around the Flash 10 gate keeper issue at sites for content that is 9 or below is to use Google video to search and play videos that launch directly from the search result. I have noticed this gets around the issue, to some degree.

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My only hope is that atilla77 and his FlashLauncher will be improved and he will find the solution for the flash player crashing when press any keyboard button. But there is no Portrait mode as well yet, that was working perfect on MicroB.

At the moment Flaemo is suspended. At least for N900. I have new version of that almost ready to go but is more complex now and useless in this case. Probably I will go to android guys with this later... shame.

In fact its Web OS that supposed to run across devices and Desktop PC but I really like to have "acceptable" access to it from N900.

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I'm not convinced that some of the sites I have been visting would have upgraded so quickly... lol

There seem to be some who are having better luck with their pr1.2 upgrades.

I also get a lag in the browser whilst pressing the down cursor, after a slight delay the page goes racing down to the bottom.

Any thoughts on reflashing the emmc? I am loathed to do this, especially as nobody is able to justify a technical reason for doing so.

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Send a note to them to not update with a Flash 10 check for site access ;)

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And another way will be to use flaemo when the internal youtube player will be ready and customizable. But I can't promise miracles :)

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Does anyone from the nokia development team ever chip in here with a suggestion, or are they both busy?

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Please link to a site with flash 10. I havent come across any yet. thx

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iplayer beta bbc 1 still has a huge lag problem where the audio is way ahead of the picture..... bbc2 works correctly

a quick check on the play again....for example i selected have i got news for you....audio only and no picture....so all in all still a pile of sh%%e

Flash 10.1 is allegedly not coming to n900 so does that mean we are all screwed if we cant have flash 10.1 ??

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try tvcatchup and then try playing any channel....thet are all flash 10.1

or try the bbc news website and try playing the live news....you should see the huge lagg problems others are encounting

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here you go

http://wonderfl.net/

or

http://alternativaplatform.com/en/alternativa3d/

And its flash 10.0 not even 10.1 and trust me there is tone of useful things done in flash 10.0 at the moment around the web.

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just checked the bbc news from the site and its working again.....that's a bit of good news....although from the bbciplayer its still choppy and out of sync

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yeap... I bet all of video content providers will switch to Flash 10.1 ASAP for 3 good reasons.

1 Better content protection - no one will like to let you get leaked video from flash.

2 Dynamic streaming - let them save a lot of resources of server infrastructure since they can keep only one file on the server and adjust quality according to your bandwidth capabilities on the fly.

3 Wider audit - mobile market

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tv catchup almost works...but still not watchable

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i bought my phone thinking flah 10 would be released early this year and now the stories appear to be that no flash 10 is coming....what utter crap of nokia to show us all a n900 working with flash 10....i bought the phone after seeing that video and now were all screwed....i would willingly pay to have flash 10 on my phone.

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The live news are a little bit jumpy but I dont experience too much lagging. Audio seems to be in sync with the picture. Could be a better flow in the video though.

im not signed up for tvcatchup so cant test that one

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sorry i forgot you need to sign up....the audio plays fine with tv catchup but the video is about 1 frame every second

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ESPN
Megavideo
Most "jiggly" sites. Not that I go to them though....
Game Trailers
IGN

All of the sites worked but a lot of content and site sections that did work do not now. What better way to get people to upgrade to 10 than Adobe using-sites, helping to force users to? Makes sense from a quality and support standpoint- everyone is using the same thing, except us N900 users. devu's points above are more detailed as to why the web site updates are happening.

I did not expect the jiggly sites to do this though- again, not that I go to them......

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there are ways around this but not the best....ustream and justin tv for example

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okay so we seem to have established that 1.2 is killing flash video, but do we have any suggestions on how to fix it? i've tried the other browsers and no joy. chromium gives an interesting error about the flash plugin crashing (cant remember the exact error message) which may be relevent to anyone in the know?

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no 1.2 is not killing flash video at all....its because nokia wont upgrade our flash 9.4 to flash 10.1