scrolling application list is not as easy since 1.2
 

since i updated to 1.2 and scroll the application list i have to constantly touch the screen to scroll down. with the old firmware i could just scroll once and it would go right to the bottom. it feels like the kinetic scrolling on the app list has been removed

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I agree, but I will describe it a little different :
The friction has been increased drastically, too my in my opinion.

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MicroB used to scroll so nicely using the arrow keys and now it has odd behaviour that sometimes scrolls almost a page with a single press and sometimes it does what it used to. Is there a formal bug report about this?

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I'm sure if we file a bug report about it they'll tell us it's a feature and it's much better this way and we're only too dumb to realize it. always like that when nokia ruins a once working user interface.

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isnt it anoying that the buggiest parts of the system are the closed source parts

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The application manager is free. You can fix the bug yourself.

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Agreed.
Bugs such as this are always treated like "this is probably a WONTFIX for Maemo 5" because, well, because because.

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Probably, like the messing around with the OSK keyboard. I'm bad enough with OSK keyboards as is. Now they modified it so much it increased my typing errors when I use it to type short 5 word sentences.

Frankly I think whenever Nokia changes things like the OSK keyboard or the application menu scrolling it should be an option in settings.

Say for OSK:

a) New
b) Old [deappreciated, IE: no official support]

But I know it's alot more complicated then that.

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I agree. The new OSK is a load of here shepe. I can't get on with it at all, and I don't like the hold to get FN symbols either. I liked the fact I could use my keyboard like a normal laptop keyboard.

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I'm pretty sure you hold "shift" to get symbols on a laptop keyboard

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i agree, its seems 'heavier' , like in pr1.1 i can scroll with no hazard, pr1.2, its like dragging a rock across a river.

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There is a widget (and also a terminal command) that disable that functionality.

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could they have done it on purpose? i've had my hands on an iphone for a little and now i feel the n900 scrolls similarly to how an iphone does (which i hate). perhaps the majority of people who did the online n900 survey said they like the current scrolling better?

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I completely agree - scrolling the application menu is now very annoying.
has anyone filed a bug report for this?

I don't know under which category we should file it?

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Ya I agree coz it was the first thing I noticed even in LPR even with not many apps but thought it will get fixed but its still there :(

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I'm pretty sure they are talking about the list of apps you get from the top-left button, not Hildon Application Manager. Do you know which component provides that list?

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hildon-desktop
The menu is hd-laucnher.c afaik (not sure about this one, but it is part of hildon-desktop)

E: his point's still valid though, you can fix it yourself :p

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Can't we control the friction and speed with transitions.ini?

There are a lot of settings in there. I'm afraid to edit it... :p

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This would be really nice.

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Thanks. http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle...r/src/launcher looks a good place to look, but it's beyond me I'm afraid.

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no one got a solution yet?

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I had a look at the source a week ago, but my C is a bit rusty so I dumped it and rm -rf'd the working directory.
But from what I understand it was added by intention (not one simple line)

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mine is very somth

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I'm getting somewhere with researching (not fixing) this, I think.

The version of hildon-desktop in PR1.1.1 is 2.2.120-4. Source is at http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle...op/trees/PR1_1. TheChangeLog for this version was last updated November 30 2009.

The version of hildon-desktop in PR1.2 is 2.2.135-2 (according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.2#Updated_packages). It's trickier to tell on gitorious but I think the source for this is at http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle...ec6a7348073fd2. The ChangeLog for this version was last updated March 03 2010.

So we're looking for differences between November 30 2009 and March 03 2010.

Looking at the ChangeLog at http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle...ster/ChangeLog and searching for "scroll", I see a couple of likely candidates between those dates, namely:

Looking at the history of src/tidy/tidy-finger-scroll.c at http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle...inger-scroll.c we find the two changes, namely http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle...ode=sidebyside and http://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle...ode=sidebyside

It looks like the deceleration was previously 0.99 in PR1.1.1, then changed to 0.85 in an unreleased version, and now in PR1.2 it is 0.90.

If anyone (Matan?) has the ability to recompile the PR1.2 branch of hildon-desktop with that number tweaked higher, ideally put into gconf so it can be tweaked by the user without having to recompile, that would be great.

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Maybe. But I've tested today the iPad in a store and the scrolling in Safari was very much like the N900 menu in PR1.1. So it seems Apple has gone the other way...

Great find, pelago!
I'm a bit suprised the deceleration value is hardcoded and not included in transitions.ini...

Another thing that is strange is the deceleration in the browser and in drop-down listboxes is exactly like the App menu in PR1.1. It means users who felt like in space in the menu must surely still feel the same thing in other places...

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Hi,

Thanks for all the research you guys did!
Has anyone filed a bug for this, or is it something that you think the community would be in best position to improve?

I personally thought that the fast scrolling of the menu in PR1.1 was the best thing about the menu. It's true that now we can change position for our favourite apps, but if one has many, it's still inconvenient and inconsistent to scroll down.

Choice is always best - so a parameter to tweak this setting would be the best approach I think.

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i second that, nokia is better in procrastinating than improving .

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@ pelago that doesn't seem to be it, compiled HD with 0.85 but it's the same (to me at least).

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Same thing in settings menu. Worst scrolling I've ever seen. :(

Hope PR 1.3 will fix this :D

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Oh dear, thanks for trying anyway. I haven't done any further investigation of the source, but it's all there on gitorious. Hopefully the relevant change can be found somewhere in amongst that code.

It might be worth compiling up the PR1.1.1 version of the code and running it on a PR1.2 device, just to make sure that that scrolls as expected. If it doesn't, then the change lies outside of hildon-desktop, and instead somewhere else on the device, e.g. in a shared library.

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I thought You'd be going he other way, say..... back to 99?
Never mind me if I have misunderstood.

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Ah yes, that's right, I had forgotten the details. To quote my own post:

I probably shouldn't have mentioned the 0.85 thing, as that wasn't in a released version and just confuses the matter. 0.99 is what you want if you want to put that particular file to how it was in PR1.1.1, if my analysis is correct.