You bought it, you suffer with it!
 

I bought my N900 because there were promises in the air of the Flash 10.1, 3D games, extensive software support and support for the next gen OS.

However, Nokia has no obligations to develop us anything after we have bought the device already, aka Nokia has our money. N900 is a product that is "ready" right after Nokia got it sold.

What can we do about this? Pretty much nothing.

Nokia did not promise any of the above. Adobe demoed Flash 10.1 but so what? Nokia is not paying anything extra to make existing consumers happy and that is the way of the capitalistic world.

Instead we have silence of the matters we are arguing here at the forums. Please do not start flame wars about how bad everything is here at Maemo.org

It really will not help. What will help is that you will not buy the products of the company in the future that you do not like. That is also the idea of capitalism.

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OMG, when will it stop??

the N900 will not only get meego, it will get *two* meego version!
one from the linux foundation, with the rpm packaging system and the reference UI, and
one from the maemo/meego community based on the Nokia version of meego with deb packaging system and the Nokia UI and the Nokia proprietary blobs (3D acceleration, gsm stuff, ovi stuff and so on).
please stop to spread nonsense.

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There will not be any official support for the N900 from Nokia. Is the community the one who will do the job Nokia should have done? Is the implementation going to be as good as a commercial one?

And why did you post such an aggressive post?

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Facts are... Nokia would not have to pay to get Flash 10.1; they will have to port it via the supplied porting tools. Going back, there's never been a true announcement from Nokia about Maemo 5 getting Flash Player 10.1 - I know I want it, but you can't say it was promised when it wasn't.

If you truly want to make a difference, get your voice(s) heard... why not organize your grievances into one thread, have them listed out with facts, and go from there. An organized protest has always gone better than an disorganized one.

And so far, the multiple threads are entirely too disorganized to be effective and will unfortunately be relegated to "whining" or "trolling" by others.

Good luck. Get organized. Be more effective.

Re: You bought it, you suffer with it!
 

because I'm tired to read the same posts over and over again.
sorry, nothin against you in particular.
there is a lot support from nokia. if the community is not seeing it, it doesn't mean that it doesn't exist.
nokia is providing their proprietary code blobs so that it is possible to build a meego version for the n900.
they never annouced meego for n900 so they don't have to do this. but they're doing it. why? because they want you to use your expensive n900.
also there will be AT LEAST 2 more software updates for maemo.
so from where does all the talk come about nokia not supporting?
because they don't tell you about every step they do?
which company does?

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I believe that is the only suitable way to get acknowledged. However at the moment I do not have the time to start any revolutions. Also I do not feel I am getting enough respect nor trust to start that sort of thing since I am new here.

Can you, Gerbick, be the chosen one and bring light to the darkness of Maemo users?

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Can I get some sources? I am not aware of these facts at all and whether they are true or not I will act accordingly...

Please notice that iPhone 3GS users do get the OS4. N900 users are not as willing to pay for apps, though.

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@AtteK0

I doubt I would be the best candidate - I don't own a N900 quite yet - however I have absolutely nothing doing at the moment... goshdarn contract of mine got pushed back some 5-7 weeks and I'll have plenty of time on my hands.

But I think it should be something that could be simple... one, organized thread that list out the grievance, the problem, and hopefully solutions to some situations.

For instance... the "no portrait vkb" grievance. Viola! Some folks are working on that in this community. It's not perfect (yet) but it does exist.

And I'm sure some of us can assist.

Among other things, it should/could/can/might be done correctly and stop leaving black eyes/marks all over the community if we decided to stop doing it.

Maybe I'm just stupid, hopeful... want to do my part. Want to correct even my own wrongdoings. But I can't do it alone.

Re: You bought it, you suffer with it!
 

YOU ? are you telling me or yourself?

i am happy with what i have i guess its the best phone i have yet!!

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the sources are all in this very forum and in the wiki. search for it!

ifon: so what?
1. they're getting a dumbed down version..
2. are you comparing ifon os with maemo? they're getting features we had from the beginning, so what is the great thing about ifon os4? that they get finally fake multitasking (we had true multitasking from the beginning)? 4 weeks after steve the liar said, the users don't need multitasking.
think about it.

Re: You bought it, you suffer with it!
 

See! Now take that happiness and spread it by answering a grievance in a thread with some facts, no need to say bad things and set the folks straight.

Don't know the answer, then send them off with some kindness. It doesn't hurt, now does it?

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Excuse me, if you present such outward arguments I would really much like to have a link or two to support it. If you want to be taken seriously, that is (note: to the previous post you posted). It really is not nice to tell people: "Go search it, it really is there if you search, I am too lazy to give you links".

Also having a more fine-tuned grammar eases the job of reading each others comments.

Re: You bought it, you suffer with it!
 

If you don't like it, sell it and get something else. That's capitalism for you.

I'm more than happy with my N900, and find these forums a fantastic community of people getting the most out of the phones. Apart from the ones that winge and moan all the time.

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What can also help is to send feedback to Nokia via the official feedback channels.

We're really in the same boat here in Maemo.org. I don't think there's one single person who wouldn't like portrait mode, MMS, Flash 10.1, official MeeGo etc. here. There are a lot of people who, despite that, try and make the best of what they've got. And a lot of people who are trying to make things better for the rest. That's what this place is for.

This is why the general atmosphere really pains me. I'm not saying people aren't allowed to be disappointed but I'm saying they're pissing in their own cereal by making this place miserable for everyone else.

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In the end, who cares? Giving sources to the community is the only important thing, and looks like meego will be open to the community.
This will keep the jewel (N900 is a jewel) up and running, as long as there will be developers and people working on it. ;)

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Infact they provide blobs because they are smart.... :) It is much less expensive to leave the dirty job to the Open Source developers.... They work for free and you do not have to pay them salaries :D

One thing is true... The only one to blame is the one who bought the N900 himself... 'cause he is the one that did it, not the people here ...

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First: sorry for my rude words and my bad grammar.
I want to explain why: I wrote on my N900 under time pressure. Also I'm not a native english speaker, so many of my mistakes I don't know better. Please feel free to correct me (then I'm learning) or point me to my mistakes. Thanks!

I've changed to a PC now.

Now to the sources: I said search for it, because they're easy to find.
There is a question and answer (Q&A) page at the wiki here: http://wiki.maemo.org/What_can_we_realistically_expect
It would be a really interesting lecture for you.

MeeGo coming for N900:

Version 1.0 (without UX/UI, it's coming in version 1.1 in some weeks) of the Linux Foundation's MeeGo is already out.
Source: http://meego.com/
You can choose between a 100% free and open source version, and a version containing proprietary parts from Nokia, for example the Battery Management Entity (BME).

MeeGo backport from Nokia's MeeGo (Previously known as maemo Harmattan, now as MeeGo Harmattan) is coming at the end of the year, after Nokia's MeeGo was released.
Source: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53551 Read post 7 and 19.
The aim is to build a fully functional, compatible MeeGo version for the N900, containing all Nokia software (Ovi Store and Maps for example).
It has great support from Nokia but it is not "an official MeeGo for N900" from Nokia.

I hope that clarifies a little bit.

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@attek

In addition to zehjotkah's links, here are a couple of others about the work a paid professional team is doing with the Linux Foundation MeeGo proper on N900.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53571
http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900

Those two links are related.

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Thank you for the reply, I wondered why it looked like a monkey throwing a keyboard around :D

I am greatful for the sources you offered. However where did you find the 2 future updates you told me?

Sorry for starting cranky threads. I am attending to a big test today...

PS. Using the N900 too, BTW

Re: You bought it, you suffer with it!
 

Congratulations for contradicting yourself. Maybe next time decide first for *one* argumentation before posting.

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PR1.3 is mentioned in the maemo bugzilla.
I don't know where I read about the second (I assume a smaller update between PR1.2 and PR1.3), but I read it ;)

edit: good luck for your test!

Re: You bought it, you suffer with it!
 

i dont even look at these threads anymore
and the forum is a great experience now!
i suggest you all do the same

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If we had better moderation they would be quickly closed or moved to some other spot.

The mods promised I would never have to see these threads. I am never going to use these mods again!

To the OP - you're mad at Nokia because you wanted an iPhone and bought an n900 instead? Interesting.

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I'm tempted to put another kitty picture





I succumbed
http://icanhascheezburger.files.word...00iluvlamp.jpg

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I am enjoying my N900, what have I done wrong?

probably one thing: my background research started a little after n810 was released and lasted until preorders were made available to public....

Re: You bought it, you suffer with it!
 

somebody stop this! i cant put my research on a full blast cause this kinda thread is appearing after typing a keyword!!!!!

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Good job trying to find someone to bash and something to bash with. Not so good job bashing.

He did not contradict himself.

He said there were "promises in the air", and there were.

In November 2009, when I ordered my N900, I was under the clear understanding that Flash 10.1 would arrive as soon as it was ready, and I never read any uncertainty expressed about that. I don't know the source of this common understanding, but as long it was not official Nokia, OP does indeed not contradict himself. There certainly was "promises in the air".

This device, more than any other I've seen, was sold with it's potential as one of the main arguments. Early on it was commonly believed that MMS might show up, portrait mode in the browser was commonly expected in PR1.1 and many mistook that for full portrait mode support, and it seemed clear as day that the flash update was just around the corner.

Nokia suggested some of these things would show up, but never really promised anything much. Fboys repeated their suggestions as it were Holy Scripture and used it to bash anyone who pointed out missing features in the N900. Still do, sometimes, only now they've moved on to bashing people who point out no official MeeGo.

There WERE promises of features that were merely delayed. But no, Nokia hasn't put their signature on these promises.So they can't be held legally responsible for the many common misconceptions. Even if some of the rumours can be traced back to some unclear Nokia statement that people read every which way depending on their Faith.

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It was a time, not many days ago. I had stayed up days looking and lurking for what this "N900" was. I read and was amazed on the features it included in this small, little device. I could modify, fix, improve and share more or less anything on the phone. The freedom was mine, and soon the N900 too. But behold, I saw that Adobe Flash was installed. I thought to myself and crippled: "Evil has presented itself, this must be rid off". APT Front-end GUI wouldn't help me none. It's existence it wouldn't even admit. I was able to hunt down this beast, this infectious blob that was poisoning my beautiful system. I looked and I looked but I didn't find any other searching soul who had ever tried getting ridden of this plague. At last I did "apt-cache search flash" and "adobe-flashplayer" presented itself! The blood began pumping in my veins and a smile started forming on my face and in the back of my head I heard a whisper saying: "The final solution". Faster than lightning, silent as night I typed "apt-get remove adobe-flashplayer" and laughed. But much to my despair - it would not work. Equilvalent attempt desperately with "apt-get purge adobe-flashplayer" showed similar results.

Somehow, my instructions to APT seem to have been mistranslated by this little form of assembly code. Instead of giving me the pleasure of seeing this horrible feature banished of my bold, solid and shining device. It told me: "Need to get 110MB of archives." With wonder I thought: "But how can this be?" and "I am but a lonely soul on a lonely quest to improve this horrible world and see forth a new dawn of freedom from proprietary blobs and user-contempt applications.

I wander to this day, this path alone, and a little tear drop from my eye every time I wish to see the newest representations of beauty online - only to see that Adobe Flash is present. I bow my head and walk silently into the abyss and wonder when this madness will end.

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NOT YOU AGAIN!!! :eek:
Man, I'll be going to the shopping mall first thing tomorrow morning and buy you SOME LIFE. I'll pay. Just stop posting cr*p all day long!

Re: You bought it, you suffer with it!
 

thats not saying much, thats like saying the schit I took last night was better than the schit I took the day before

I would be more than willing to help with this, I'm stuck with this device for 2 more years

Re: You bought it, you suffer with it!
 

yeah, I see you answered in Braille as well, keep up the good work of not looking at these threads.