PR1.2 - Things that have gotten worse?
 

I was just wondering if anyone has noticed any changes in PR1.2 that they prefered the old way?

I only thought this because I've been trying to find the option to turn off "Call with Skype" for calls to phone numbers. It was there in 1.1(.1), but now seems to have disappeared, filling each contact with a field that I may only use once every 6 months.

So, first off: Has anyone figured this out?

Secondly... anything else that's disappeared, appeared that we don't like?

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pretty sure theres a thread 4 this already

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LOADS about 1.2

Couldn't find anything about the missing Skype option, and not much about stuff getting worse (except battery life - which seems the same to me)

And to add to this:

The new search function for Apps Manager. You can no longer search while it's loading repositories lists, you have to wait until you get the category icons, go to All, then search.

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before jumping conclusion about what is bug and what is not i suggest little more delicate approaching. Just because it is not nice to make clown of yourself.

i have "skype call" option in all contacts with numbers. i would suggest following:
-look from skype settings that there is checkmark on "enable calling phones" you can find it from status menu.
-disable enable it and see what happens
-remove account completely and setup it again

after these i would come to this forum and ask carefully that has someone else found bug in skype.

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Ok.... God knows how I missed the Skype thing, since I looked quite a few times, and now I feel like a complete *****... despite the delicate wording of your post.

To clarify, I wasn't trying to rant about bugs, because to be fair, I've not really come across any. I think the update was VERY good, it resolved most the things I thought were wrong or missing.

I just thought there may be people who have also noticed (I say "also" now, since the App Manager thing still applies) changes that they prefer the old way.

I figured that since a lot of people don't like change, and a lot that do, that maybe there may be room for a discussion on the changes people don't like (since it's a discussion forum).

Apparently I was wrong (about that too), and I may as well just answer people's questions on here, as opposed to spark up a new thread.

Thank you for pointing out that the Skype thing is still an option though - that was much appreciated

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Probably you missed the option because it's in "Settings" section of Skype and it works only when your availability is not offline for the skype account ;) (isn't this a strange decision :D)

And BTW i do not think anyone should make comments on your approach of asking such questions, nor on your individuality... A direct short answer would be sufficient...

Anyway the other option - for turning off video calls - is suprisingly in the settings of the Contacts application :D

Considering a thread about glitches/bugs in PR1.2 there is a dedicated thread really but a glitch is also this:
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=698939

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the virtual keyboard is even worse than the already crippled version before.

even more annoying: context menus. in older versions, you could tap and hold on a link or list item, make the context menu appear and then take away your finger to read the menu items before you selected one.

it was more diffictult to do than in maemo 4, but it worked.

now, it's almost impossible. the context menu almost always disappears when you lift your finer, so it's hard to tell whats in the menu and how to select it.

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I prefer the new keyboard layout, but I am having more difficulty typing on it. Fortunately, I rarely use the virtual keyboard.

The long tap menu is more annoying now, agreed. Even worse since I've stopped dragging the stylus across the screen since I got hairline scratches from doing it... with your finger the menu is a lot more difficult.

But at least if you pull it up accidently, it goes away :)

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I'd actually like the context menu to appear to the top (left) of where you pressed, Since no matter what your finger will be in the way. It might even be configurable for it to show up left or right for right/left-handed people.

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This is a matter of personal preference. I prefer it now

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hardly. you can actually count the additional unnecessary clicks you have the make now when typing. (like from alpha to the tab with the brackets: first 1#+, then shift - it used to be only one single click in the previous version of the keyboard. or from alpha to "," in the German layout: no change necessary in pre-1.2, now you need to switch to the numeric tab. same with "!": was on a slider before, now it's hidden in shift mode.)

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I'm pretty sure there are other people that prefer the new layout and not just myself

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after your second post on this matter now: can you give any reason why you prefer the new layout? what can you do faster/better/easier now that before? maybe there's something i missed - and that's what made them change it in the first place.

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I can type a lot faster with the new layout. I hated the old layout. I hated the old spacebar

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so - as "the layout" on alpha remained the same standard QWERTY layout - what you mean is the new location of the space bar and the smaller keys make you tape faster. OK.

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I prefer the location of the "copy-paste-cut" thing and the keys don't seem smaller

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my problems with pr1.2 are:

1. slower app manager (way slower)
2. browser wont rotate even when in settings its enabled

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I agree with this

This might be an issue with your device. Mine rotates

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Double tap in the browser to zoom to paragraph is not working as it used to be :/ Now it many times zooms out to the full page widht instead to the paragraph.

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Its hopeless , he just loves new vkb, believe me i tried :D

so nosa101 when you gonna suggest an-droid theme to him? ;)

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Mine also rotated with pr1.1.1 now with the update no more so i dont think its the device.

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There's no point in bashing me because I prefer the VKB now. I really don't get your point. There are people that prefer the VKB now and you can't deny that. Therefore, it is a matter of personal preference.

If i type faster with the new VKB, am I supposed to suddenly agree with you because you don't like it? I don't get that logic. It is still my opinion. It won't change because you don't agree with it.


I meant that mine rotates now. Maybe it is a bug. Has anyone been able to reproduce it?

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This problem already existed before the PR1.2 update and they simply haven't fixed it (yet.)
Although they did a good job on PR1.2, it is a total mystery to me how they could have left that "bug" in there.


Yes. Very dissapointing and annoying, especially since it was zippy fast in the leaked unfinished PR1.2.


Other then that I haven't found anything in the firmware that has gotten worse or has changed in a way I wish it didn't.
Very happy with PR1.2 overal and cannot wait for the next update since there is plenty to optimize and fix I am sure.
For me that would be the context menu dissapear after finger lift problem and the slow App Manager thing.
I run into these uncomfortable annoyances a lot on daily use.

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I dont want you to agree with me but I dont get your logic and arguments back there and now

particularity....


How can you say that when they are actually smaller?

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I haven't noticed the size change. That's why I said, "they don't seem smaller"

....and you don't get the fact that I don't agree with you? Am I supposed to? Liking the new VKB is a matter of personal preference. It's like saying you don't get how somebody could prefer an iPhone to the n900. Personal preference

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As I said: It happened before PR 1.2, but it got much worse.

Before PR 1.2, you could prevent the context menu from disappearing with a little practice. It worked liek 60% of the time.

Now it almost always disappears. I think I remember 3 or for occasions when it would remain visible after I lifted my finger.

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right - this one is really annoying. you double-tap on a paragraph and the first thing happens is that the page zooms out so much that you can't even see the lines any more...

also, it seems to me they don't detect blocks and paragraphs as well as they used to. even if the damn thing zooms in like it should, it doesn't fit the width of a text block.

bad. bad bad bad.

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it needs to show where there's room for it - you cannot have it appear on the top/left of where you pressed when the item you clicked is located on the top left of your screen.

(also, even if you could set a preference for this depending on whether you're left or right handed, it may be that this one click was performed with the other hand...)

this is why it needs to remain visible as soon as you take your finger off the screen. no other solution possible.

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Hi,
i have noticed that the release has made my N900 really slow and frustrating it has some kind of delay which is annoying, how can you go from good to bad. Not impressed at all i think i will revert back to the pr1.1

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ay4you,
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=55563

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There are 3 things which are much worse:

- Battery life (has decreased alot)
- Virtual keyboard (very hard to operate/not to make typos)
- Application manager (can't sort apps by name and size anymore)

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This used to work so well before, why did they break it!? For me, not only does it zoom out all the way first, I can almost never get it to zoom to the column width properly, usually I have to resort to the old finger swirl to zoom.

I've been playing around with Opera Mobile a bit and have been liking it. You can single click on a column and it reliably zooms to the column width.

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@kidcharles,
What opera you are using? My opera on N900 has constant zoom level that i can change from settings so either you have different version or you are wrong.

.edit
btw. have you installed ANYTHING that might interfere microb functionality?

..edit
bug report here
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10290
https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10495