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torpedo48 2010-06-04 10:36

Alarm Maemo from OVI Store
 
A new app is downloadable from OVI Store for the Nokia N900.

It's Alarm Maemo, more details here: http://store.ovi.com/content/36033

It's a very simple (and useless) alarm: you can activate a motion sensor induced alarm, and when someone move your phone it starts to sound like crazy. You can stop the alarm writing your PIN in the blocked screen.

OR, simply press ctrl+backspace and close the app without entering any PIN code... WTF :confused::confused::confused:

Just another useless app.

nosa101 2010-06-04 10:54

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The Ovi Store makes baby Jesus cry

EDIT: There's another app called COnverter Maemo. It looks like a prettier gonvert

pthomas22 2010-06-04 10:56

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It could be useful but needs improvements.
One thing it needs to be able to is work but it doesn't

OVK 2010-06-04 11:01

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Quote:

Originally Posted by torpedo48 (Post 699314)
Just another useless app.

If you are paranoid you can glue your N900 to your bedroom door and activate the alarm. This way nobody can attack you while you are asleep. :cool:

nosa101 2010-06-04 11:08

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Or is this our own "fart" app????


SUCCESS!!!!

benny1967 2010-06-04 11:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by torpedo48 (Post 699314)
OR, simply press ctrl+backspace and close the app without entering any PIN code... WTF :confused::confused::confused:

Just another useless app.

oh come on. it's unlikely that somebody who'd steal your N900 would know how to do that task switching thingie... let alone think of it once the allarm goes off.

it's not a 100% safe protection, but it's OK.

torpedo48 2010-06-04 11:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by benny1967 (Post 699373)
oh come on. it's unlikely that somebody who'd steal your N900 would know how to do that task switching thingie... let alone think of it once the allarm goes off.

it's not a 100% safe protection, but it's OK.

Well, I have installed Shortcutd too, so it's not as simple as you described it. The thief has just to accidentally pass his hands above the proximity sensor, or press the camera button, in order to call the background and seeing the big X for closing the alarm.

So maybe yes, if you have not Shortcutd the thief has only a 10/20% probabilities to know how to stop the alarm, but if you have it, it's almost sure that you will never see your N900 again.

And no, that is not ok.

benny1967 2010-06-04 11:38

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Quote:

Originally Posted by torpedo48 (Post 699382)
And no, that is not ok.

No then go and write them an email and complain that the free application you just installed does not behave as you want when another application is installed and active at the same time.

you should get a refund.

really.

they should take your rights as a consumer seriusly.

plaban 2010-06-04 11:40

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what is the default pin code and how to change it?

maluka 2010-06-04 11:44

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Looking at the first review that's more of a showoff rant by someone trying to look too smart is a real turnoff.

This is why we can't have nice things.

nosa101 2010-06-04 11:50

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It's not a serious app. Looking at Offscr's app catalog, most of their stuff is playful. If you don't like it, don't install it. You aren't paying anything anyway

torpedo48 2010-06-04 12:09

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That's the point: Offscr only create playful games and apps, and should not try making serious app, because apparently it can't.

I'm worried for the common user: I know that app is junk and not useful at all, but the common user doesn't: that app is described as a serious app, but can't provide serious security, and maybe someone will trust it and will see its phone stolen.

Hope that there will be many negative comments like mine, so that everyone can understand what that app really is, just like us.

nosa101 2010-06-04 12:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by torpedo48 (Post 699439)
That's the point: Offscr only create playful games and apps, and should not try making serious app, because apparently it can't.

I'm worried for the common user: I know that app is junk and not useful at all, but the common user doesn't: that app is described as a serious app, but can't provide serious security, and maybe someone will trust it and will see its phone stolen.

Hope that there will be many negative comments like mine, so that everyone can understand what that app really is, just like us.

It. Is. Not. Serious.

Offscr wasn't trying to make it serious. There's a gun app on the iPhone. I doubt people complain that no bullets come out of it. It is supposed to be fun

torpedo48 2010-06-04 12:18

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 699443)
It. Is. Not. Serious.

Offscr wasn't trying to make it serious. There's a gun app on the iPhone. I doubt people complain that no bullets come out of it. It is supposed to be fun

Yes, you know that it is not serious, because you know the mark, and because you know your phone.

Common people unfortunately don't have your experience, and will think "Wow.This.Is.So.Serious", because, if your read that app's description, you'll realize that there's no "WARNING: this is not serious" sign.

Maybe reading comments like mine they will know what you know.

nosa101 2010-06-04 12:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by torpedo48 (Post 699451)
Yes, you know that it is not serious, because you know the mark, and because you know your phone.

Common people unfortunately don't have your experience, and will think "Wow.This.Is.So.Serious", because, if your read that app's description, you'll realize that there's no "WARNING: this is not serious" sign.

Maybe reading comments like mine they will know what you know.

If you think it is serious then you miss the joke. Do fart apps have a warning that say "THIS DOES NOT SMELL"?

torpedo48 2010-06-04 12:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 699453)
If you think it is serious then you miss the joke. Do fart apps have a warning that say "THIS DOES NOT SMELL"?

Well, maybe people I know is not as smart as you are, but I have a friend that this morning thought that app was serious. Ah, this dear friend of mine can imagine that a gun app can't fire bullets, but when he reads of an alarm app and doesn't know that its mark is associated to many fart apps, he initially thinks that it's a serious app.

Call him a strange person, but I agree with him, there shouldn't be jokes about security.

BTW, if you send an email asking what Offscr thinks about this app, I think they'll answer you that it's serious. I don't think they intended it as a joke.

Raubtier 2010-06-04 12:25

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as someone mentioned: probably 95% of the thieves have no idea of that shortcut, so it probably serves its purpose being a free app..

benny1967 2010-06-04 12:29

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torpedo48, thanks for all the positive encouragement you give to maemo developers.

Deaconclgi 2010-06-04 12:29

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I vote for nAlertMe to be ported to Maemo. It is useful and has several alarm saounds AND custom user made motion disarming techniques.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wjCfGNFAiOE

Video Note: nAlertMe is after the fighting robot

I may contact the developer and ask if he can port it.

Anyway, a new app is a new app. Beggars cant be choosers and it IS better than nothing. You could always make alarm souns with your mouth once your spider sense is tingling as your n900 is being moved out of sight.....

eh....what am I rambling about...

I like Alarm Maemo, the keypad makes me feel like I am disarming my ADT home security system with an awesome touchscreen! :D

torpedo48 2010-06-04 12:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raubtier (Post 699460)
as someone mentioned: probably 95% of the thieves have no idea of that shortcut, so it probably serves its purpose being a free app..

I'd prefer a useful priced app instead of a free joke. And that app could become useful with just two or three more lines of code.

@Benny: ask around, I've encouraged many valid developers here, I've tested about 70% of all apps in maemo.org repository, and I've helped a lot in improving and bug reporting.

But when a developer is not doing it right, I can't just stay quiet. If you want to encourage Offscr, you decide.

If I encouraged everyone, there would be no need of extras-testing qa queue: negative feedback are more useful than positives, sometimes.

pthomas22 2010-06-04 12:34

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Whether this app was meant as a joke or meant to be serious is not the issue.
What's important is how the end user perceives it. If he thinks it is a serious application to help secure his phone then Ovi need to explain that it is not.
This application is in the Ovi store so I assume Nokia have okayed it

torpedo48 2010-06-04 12:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pthomas22 (Post 699475)
Whether this app was meant as a joke or meant to be serious is not the issue.
What's important is how the end user perceives it. If he thinks it is a serious application to help secure his phone then Ovi need to explain that it is not.
This application is in the Ovi store so I assume Nokia have okayed it

That's what I'm talking about, you are right.

Ovi have to explain that this is a joke. But there'll be many negative comments explaining that soon...

amorek13 2010-06-04 12:46

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it does not show up in my ovi unless i open the link from first post

malabar 2010-06-04 12:47

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I support your right to complain all you want. go for it OP.

I installed the app and i had set my phone down next to me to sharpen my machete. [clearing some brush] well a snake crawled over the phone scaring the beejezus out of me and i turned swinging wildly.[i don't like snakes]


Cut my phone in half!


good thing is now i can finally get the ifart app of my dreams [with phone]

Raubtier 2010-06-04 12:50

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@torpedo- yes, there can be better apps, but if your only real argument is the disabling shortcut then again ask yourself the question: how many thieves know of this, i think your criticism jumps the shark..

nosa101 2010-06-04 12:52

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So, I have every right to downrank the Offscr Calculator app because it doesn't solve quadratic equations?

There should be a WARNING

afaq 2010-06-04 12:56

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This whole ovi/maemo app hate is getting annoying.

Lets gets some facts straight. Firstly the "end" user isnt that stupid that they will use this app for security. If a 12 year old boy who owns action man figures can afford a N900 and is confused by the real purpose behind this app - then yes its a failure.

Secondly, can people, and notiecably a lot of new users stop these childish rants and random attacks on ovi and how rubbish it is - yes we know its rubbish. Point? have you ever gone to the App Downloader? have you seen all the actually useful app's and programs available in extras?
Having owned this device for almost 6 months, I still find new and useful apps in the app manager every weak.

Fart apps aisde, forget ovi and use Extras. This repository is beyond useful and is neglected too often and labelled as a "developers test base". It is a lot more. Please show some love and understanding.

benny1967 2010-06-04 12:56

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i found another serious problem with the application: it doesn't give you any kind of security whatsoever unless you start it and activate the alarm!!! that's ridiculous! users should be warned about this. they will rightfully assume that installing the application does protect the device from scratches and water and thieves.

torpedo48 2010-06-04 13:00

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Quote:

Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 699501)
So, I have every right to downrank the Offscr Calculator app because it doesn't solve quadratic equations?

There should be a WARNING

That's not the same: quadratic equations are not necessary in a calculator app, while a not easily closable PIN panel is necessary in every (serious and advertised as serious) security app.

You can continue your joking, but I don't think many of you will seriously use that app knowing the security bug.

I would use it, if there were no bugs.

Edit: I'm not criticizing all the apps, please read more carefully my posts. I'm criticizing THIS app. Btw if I didn't find maemo.org apps usefull, I wouldn't be the first tester in Extras-Testing charts.

Deaconclgi 2010-06-04 13:05

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Raubtier (Post 699494)
@torpedo- yes, there can be better apps, but if your only real argument is the disabling shortcut then again ask yourself the question: how many thieves know of this, i think your criticism jumps the shark..

Well...the OP made a point to post the disabling shortcut in his review.......on the download page.....

I think that was a slap in offscreens face. I would have taken my concern to offscreen in private to be positive about helping rather than negative. But thats just me.

That reminds me of someone posting keygen security holes on an Official Anti-Virus download site....... :confused:

torpedo48 2010-06-04 13:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Deaconclgi (Post 699518)
Well...the OP made a point to post the disabling shortcut in his review.......on the download page.....

I think that was a slap in offscreens face. I would have taken my concern to offscreen in private to be positive about helping rather than negative. But thats just me.

That reminds me of someone posting keygen security holes on an Official Anti-Virus download site....... :confused:

My first concern is always about protecting the user. After that, maybe I can send an email to Offscr, yes.

Sometimes people deserve slaps in their faces.

Have you ever tested any app in Extras-Testing? Maemo.org rules are hard to be followed, and many times we ask the developers for perfection. Then I see some fart apps coming from Ovi Store developed with noncurance. Of course I want to give my negative feedback.

If you call your staying quiet an "encouragement", good luck. I prefer my encouragement.

Raubtier 2010-06-04 13:15

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@torpedo- how many people (in your country for e.g) would you estimate know of this shortcut to disable the pin?

hawaii 2010-06-04 13:17

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torpedo84; you're an idiot. When you start making applications and actually assisting the community, you can complain and *****. Until then, keep it in your little head.

Keep personal attacks to a minimum.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Maemo.org Terms of Use
3 - 3.4:
(g) you will not use the Site to "stalk" or harass another person and your Content and use will not suggest or encourage to any illegal activity;


torpedo48 2010-06-04 13:21

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hawaii (Post 699538)
torpedo84; you're an idiot..

And you are ill-mannered. I'd prefer being idiot.

Quote:

Originally Posted by hawaii (Post 699538)
When you start making applications and actually assisting the community, you can complain and *****. Until then, keep it in your little head.

http://maemo.org/profile/list/category/packagetesting/

I don't see you in the first position in this chart. Maybe I've assisted this community a bit. And maybe you should thank me for breaking my devices many times in order to test and give you apps in Extras.

pthomas22 2010-06-04 13:22

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hawaii (Post 699538)
torpedo84; you're an idiot. When you start making applications and actually assisting the community, you can complain and *****. Until then, keep it in your little head.

Abusing other posters is hardly a constructive way forward

torpedo48 2010-06-04 13:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by pthomas22 (Post 699546)
Abusing other posters is hardly a constructive way forward

Never mind, I've just reported him. Hope some measurements will be taken. Maybe after that he will start assisting this community seriously.

benny1967 2010-06-04 13:32

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Quote:

Originally Posted by torpedo48 (Post 699545)
And you are ill-mannered. I'd prefer being idiot.



http://maemo.org/profile/list/category/packagetesting/

I don't see you in the first position in this chart. Maybe I've assisted this community a bit. And maybe you should thank me for breaking my devices many times in order to test and give you apps in Extras.

You find very harsh words for an application that, while being actually cool and nice, isn't 120% perfect.

Yet when I look at the packages that you tested and how you commented on them, I see you don't follow the perfect testing procedure yourself. (Document what you tested and what not, give comments on specific requirements rather than general comments about the application.)

If you expect other contributors to this community to be 120% perfect, try being it yourself.

Raubtier 2010-06-04 13:33

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please notice that he is refusing to answer my simple question for the second time...

Hotshot 2010-06-04 13:41

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Everybody is beating a dead horse here. I get what everyone is saying about its an app and joke app or not still a good app but i'm sure the OP is looking out for people who take this app serious and when they phone gets stole with it on than there going to be pissed. I had an app like this on my winmo phone and it really did work wonders you could hear it in the next room and it was no way you can shut it down or off without the code. I would say stop flaming the OP for trying to tell people that this app is not a real anti theft app but thank him for pointing out the flaws in the app and making sure people know that hey this wont protect your phone 100%. People are so quick to jump on ones case when they don't see eye to eye on this forum. Its Friday lets all just chill and enjoy the best phone thats out on the current market ;)

Bratag 2010-06-04 13:44

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Quote:

And you are ill-mannered. I'd prefer being idiot.
And that sir is why you fail. I will take someone rude over someone actively stupid any day of the week, but I digress.

The app isnt perfect, agreed, but for what It does it seems to work fairly well. Let us not forget its free. I am just happy to see apps starting to appear.


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