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disappointed 2010-06-30 08:58

Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
my contract is up for renewel. I am considering new i phone 4g or nokia n900.

your thoughts,,,

noipv4 2010-06-30 09:02

Re: nokia n900 or I phone 4g?
 
If cheaper data plan is in your list of items, then you can go with t-mobile and add a $10 web2go plan for 3G and 3.5G access with N900.

Rest hardware wise, one device is from 2009, the other from 2010, so Moore's law applies :D

Raubtier 2010-06-30 09:13

Re: nokia n900 or I phone 4g?
 
if you want mr.jobs to decide what you are allowed to have on your phone, including no flash-sites at all, i would go for the i phone..

seriously...n900 of course..

gsever 2010-06-30 09:15

Re: nokia n900 or I phone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by noipv4 (Post 735113)
If cheaper data plan is in your list of items, then you can go with t-mobile and add a $10 web2go plan for 3G and 3.5G access with N900.

Should this require a voice plan be already purchased or data-plan only option from the T-mobile?

Heman1310 2010-06-30 09:18

Re: nokia n900 or I phone 4g?
 
Well if I were you I would probably go with an android device, like HTC Evo 4g. N900 is an outdated device, there are alot more powerful ones out there.

noipv4 2010-06-30 09:23

Re: nokia n900 or I phone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gsever (Post 735134)
Should this require a voice plan be already purchased or data-plan only option from the T-mobile?

I think it needs a voice plan to go along with it. IMHO this web2go is the most value friendly data plain among all service providers in United States.

Over two years I can save 24 x ($30-$10) = $480

(AT&T data plan cost pm) minus (we2go pm)

rickysio 2010-06-30 09:28

Re: nokia n900 or I phone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Heman1310 (Post 735138)
Well if I were you I would probably go with an android device, like HTC Evo 4g. N900 is an outdated device, there are alot more powerful ones out there.

EVO 4G isn't entirely new either - the SoC inside has been existing around for as long as the SoC inside the N900. N900's SoC is not that outdated.

eiffel 2010-06-30 10:01

Re: nokia n900 or I phone 4g?
 
Here's a side-by-side specifications comparison of the N900 and iPhone 4G, in case it's useful.

slender 2010-06-30 10:07

Re: nokia n900 or I phone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by disappointed (Post 735106)
my contract is up for renewel. I am considering new i phone 4g or nokia n900.

your thoughts,,,

How about your thoughts about what you want. It should not be too much to ask to list simple must have - nice to have feature list. Also little thinking on where and how you normally use or could use these mobile devices is one of normal things to do before even thinking on buying (or posting one-line questions).

fergusso 2010-06-30 10:11

Re: nokia n900 or I phone 4g?
 
go for iphone 4 if you want quality apps and quality games. n900 is a Geek stuff (spend more time and lots of common sense to install an app/hack) otherwise still go with iphone 4 :-D

gsever 2010-06-30 10:13

Re: nokia n900 or I phone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by noipv4 (Post 735144)
I think it needs a voice plan to go along with it. IMHO this web2go is the most value friendly data plain among all service providers in United States.

Over two years I can save 24 x ($30-$10) = $480

(AT&T data plan cost pm) minus (we2go pm)

Nice,

What is the cheapest voice plan cost on T-mobile?

I may use the device wifi only mode till I find a cheap data only deal.

esthreel 2010-06-30 10:16

Re: nokia n900 or I phone 4g?
 
They are totally different, it depends what do you need, all-in-one Internet tablet, or a smart-phone. Spec wise iPhone is better. I prefer my N900 over the iPhone because of the hardware keyboard,and free Skype video calls.(Skype > FaceTime) if you don't need that you should get iPhone NOW, or wait for some Meego device. P.S. The DroidX is cool IMHO, not too pocketable, but i love big, hi-res capacitive screen.

noipv4 2010-06-30 10:18

Re: nokia n900 or I phone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by eiffel (Post 735192)
Here's a side-by-side specifications comparison of the N900 and iPhone 4G, in case it's useful.

N900 RAM 256kB ?? ;)

N900 Microphones Two (stereo) ??
I did not see two mics on the schematics. Can someone please enlighten me.

munkiii 2010-06-30 11:10

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
I agree with something i read on here yesterday - If your wondering which device you should get, between an iphone and an n900, you should get an iphone.

ysss 2010-06-30 11:31

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
iPhone is the better smartphone. N900 is the better linux pocketable computer.

Get N900 if this is important for you:
- Supporting opensource movement.
- Legal and conceptual freedom to do anything on your device (but you may not necessarily be able to do some of them because of limitations in apps/tools/skills/3rd party support).
- Near complete access to everything in your phone.

Get iPhone if the following is important for you:
- If you want things to 'just work' with less tinkering.
- Great 3rd party support. Sites and apps basically are storming your way, wanting your attention/money (heh).
- Good interoperability with Windows or OSX machine.

Mikey_Bizzle 2010-06-30 11:34

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
Do you like to hold your phone when making a call?

Andrew_b 2010-06-30 11:40

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by munkiii (Post 735264)
I agree with something i read on here yesterday - If your wondering which device you should get, between an iphone and an n900, you should get an iphone.

Word. The iPhone wasn't even on my list. If a dude is considering iPhone then they should probably just dive in and join the flock without thinking about it too much.

If I was looking for a new phone right now, iPhone still wouldn't be on my list and I'd be weighing up how urgent my need was against the wait for the N9, or at least the N8 with a keyboard. But the thing is, the HW keyboard is only the half of it because I really like the accuracy of a resistive screen.

In practice, when buying tech products it usually pays off to wait and if I was looking for a new 'smartphone' today, I think I would hold fire on the N900 for now and wait to see what happens with N9 / N8 with keyboard. If I don't like what I see when these phones hit the market the N900 would be so near end of line that it could be picked up for peanuts. I am looking for a new phone for the wife, but she has a whole different set of criteria to me - battery life being high on the list - which is why the N8 is on my radar right now.

jdave76 2010-06-30 11:43

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
if you like doing complicated things in lunix to get your n900 to work sort of, get it. but if you want a fully supported phone with cool apps and a nice experience get ipone or an android phone.
i've had the n900 since day one and still waiting for it to be finished and looks like ot never will be.there's a great comunity around the n900 working hard to develope it but its a shame nokia isn't doing the same.
Sorry n900 fans but i'm too daft to get this thing to work:o

Neegs 2010-06-30 11:46

Re: nokia n900 or I phone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slender (Post 735199)
How about your thoughts about what you want. It should not be too much to ask to list simple must have - nice to have feature list. Also little thinking on where and how you normally use or could use these mobile devices is one of normal things to do before even thinking on buying (or posting one-line questions).

I totally agree, tell us what you want from a phone and we can better answer you question.

howver i can give you my take on it.

I have a N900 and my GF has a iphone4, they are vastly different. I must admit i loved the iphone4, it is a very good phone. I also love my n900 and kept trying to get the iphone into portait mode (I never thought i would prefer this EVER).

The multitasking on the iphone from my experience is poor compared to the N900. The double tap solution doesn't always work, there may be a better way but i didnt no it at the time.i found i would accidentally close an application by accident when i went to double tap.
The camera of the iphone IMO wipes the floor with the n900. it takes nice photos once u get used to the holding the device PERFECTLY still and i mean perfectly still. The video again is immense.

The screen is crazy im not a massive specs person so dont no if teh difference is massively different on paper but the iphone is ver good. sharp images and the colours are very vibrant. That is not to say the N900 has a rubbish screen because it has a very very good screen as well.
Lots of people on this board talk about how closed Apple is. I have only had a brief take on this owning an ipod and having to convert everything. However after ten minutes of using the iphone i wanted to through it out the window. UI are so restricted its untrue. My GF couldnt figure out how to get a ringtone on. she is not the most technically minded person so thought it was her being an idiot :P

U would think it was right click file (something similar) and use as ringtone. NOPE. i went online i found 12 steop guides on how to make your own ring tone. i was not impressed at all. i later found u can download apps to help but like i said i wanted to through the phone out the window
On the other hand i got one of the most customizable phones out and to be honest i have barel changed a thing. Im a user that doesnt use the n900 to its fullest ability at all but still love the phone

Decide what you want from a phone then ask the question

lemon_grass 2010-06-30 12:02

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
Get iphone 4g if you want a phone with a piss poor antenna design. At least the antenna on the N900 wasn't designed by *****s.

cenwesi 2010-06-30 12:16

Re: nokia n900 or I phone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Heman1310 (Post 735138)
Well if I were you I would probably go with an android device, like HTC Evo 4g. N900 is an outdated device, there are alot more powerful ones out there.

I Agree with his statement... Not to mention Nokia is not even looking at the N900 anymore. I am now 100% i will move to Android before the year is over or next. Just waiting for some nice looking phones to come out. One other thing, july 21st, t-mobile is suppose to get the Samsung Galaxy S "Vibrant" you might want to look into that phone.

qwazix 2010-06-30 12:19

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
I disagree with the app quality being better on the iphone. A million apps does not necessarily mean good ones. I was trying to find an ftp client and could not find one. I was trying to find a spreadsheet app and the only free one restricts the cells that you can edit. I think that the quality of the few apps on the n900 is superior, albeit with not-so-good-looking ui, but you can do almost anything you can do on a pc. Also have in mind that the iphone does not have an accessible file system (dealbreaker for me) and that it has the proprietary connector. (Can't just stick any usb cable on it)
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nosa101 2010-06-30 12:22

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 735344)
(Can't just stick any usb cable on it)

Can't do the same on the n900 either. It's a lot easier to find an iPhone cable than an n900 usb cable

qwazix 2010-06-30 12:36

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
seems like it depends where you are. All my friends and family have different brands of phones but 90% of them use microusb. It is now a standard and all the major phone companies except apple have agreed to use it
http://www.pcworld.com/article/15963...a_reality.html
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maluka 2010-06-30 12:43

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 735347)
Can't do the same on the n900 either. It's a lot easier to find an iPhone cable than an n900 usb cable

N900 uses a standard micro usb which is used on hundreds of other phones.

lucas777 2010-06-30 12:55

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
Are you bloody serious how is this even a thread? why the f do people compare iPhone to n900 i will have no idea. They are completely different phones targeting different users.

lucas777 2010-06-30 12:58

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 735347)
Can't do the same on the n900 either. It's a lot easier to find an iPhone cable than an n900 usb cable

LOL Did u go back in time in a hot tub time machine, you have literally no clue about anything mate

cheve 2010-06-30 14:13

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jdave76 (Post 735304)
if you like doing complicated things in lunix to get your n900 to work sort of, get it. but if you want a fully supported phone with cool apps and a nice experience get ipone or an android phone.
i've had the n900 since day one and still waiting for it to be finished....
Sorry n900 fans but i'm too daft to get this thing to work:o

Whether a product is "finished" or not, it is really difficult to define and very much rest on the expectation of the user. IMHO, iPhone and others are phone with Interactive kiosk features, while the N900 is a general purpose computer with a cell phone module, gps module and camera attached.

So with a "kiosk", you are limited to offerings of what the manufacturer/vendors would give you. Your expectation is highly "managed" and, in theory, overall user experience would be and should be good to worry-free.

With a general purpose computer, you are the master of your domain(:p) -- in the other word, the built-in "features" can be basic or even bad(depending user expectation). However, you are the Master after all, so there is ,in theory, nothing to stop you from making it(ie. the 'must'-have feature in your book) better:D. You can add the feature you want(limited by the hardware and your skill, of course). It will require effort and time from the user to yield the best experience and functions.

Note that I use a number of 'in theory' in my rant above, so the truth in everyday usage is somewhere in the middle not 100% black or 100% white:)

Cheers,

hkn 2010-06-30 14:25

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
If you're doubting between iPhone4 or N900, that indicates you already choosed.

Go to the nearly Applestore

cheve 2010-06-30 14:27

Re: nokia n900 or I phone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by cenwesi (Post 735340)
I Agree with his statement... Not to mention Nokia is not even looking at the N900 anymore. I am now 100% i will move to Android before the year is over or next. Just waiting for some nice looking phones to come out. One other thing, july 21st, t-mobile is suppose to get the Samsung Galaxy S "Vibrant" you might want to look into that phone.


by July 21st, another company would have announced some phone that would more powerful cpu and etc; so you would be waiting forever for your next phone:D

if a phone has the list of features that are important to you , and it does not cost you an arm and a leg to buy it; then why not just jump in now.

Cheers,

nosa101 2010-06-30 14:29

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maluka (Post 735365)
N900 uses a standard micro usb which is used on hundreds of other phones.

I must be lumping the mini USB into micro USB category then. I'm talking from personal experience here, finding a car charger for my n900 wasn't the easiest. Most of the usb ones were mini usb and whatever is in between

nosa101 2010-06-30 14:32

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lucas777 (Post 735371)
LOL Did u go back in time in a hot tub time machine, you have literally no clue about anything mate

It is easier to find an iPhone cable, from personal experience at least.

chemist 2010-06-30 14:39

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
Please people! Stay calm!

Try to change your point of view please! Someone asking for a helping hand on this should not get a fork in the butt.

For me iPhone, no matter which version, it is a good looking jail.
Hardware in terms of core, SoC and stuff is not important on this question.

If I put myself in the point of view of someone not familiar with apple and not familiar with linux the pure feature list is what makes my decision.

Keyboard or touch-keyboard?
Resistive or capacitive touchscreen?
My ogg/flac/mp3 folders or iTunes?
Normal addressbook or ringtones for each contact another?
Align manually or compass?
Standard USB or proprietary iPort?
OpenSource or Stockholm Syndrome? (both are deceases but the 1st can turn into good the 2nd can't)
Flash or not?
$400 or $600?

What applies to you?

For the records N900 could be used by my dad and he has a problem to turn his computer on or upgrade firefox (I setup his case to have only one button! Firefox just asks if it is allowed to upgrade itself now).

To apply settings and stuff even symbian or iphone gives you a hard time sometimes!

I decided between devices which meet my No1 criteria first, resistive screen, a keyboard and no microsoft inside! Capacitive screens drive me nuts anytime I use one, hardware keys work without fingerprints on the screen, microsoft... well... you know the ballmer peak?

Quote:

Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 735474)
It is easier to find an iPhone cable, from personal experience at least.

Of course! As all stuff without iPort is hidden somewhere and I barely find a damn car-FM-radio without a freaking iPad-control built in! Not all people (not even 25%) have apple stuff but the shops look like there is no other thing out there than apple hardware.

Taleydra 2010-06-30 14:45

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
I never understood all the negativity against the n900. I'm an not into linux, but I had no problem overclocking mine, the only task so far where I input commands into the x-terminal. The N900 works great, and anything newer will not affect how MY phone works. I love the programs I have installed from extras, the camera is wonderful, and the phone works great and has top notch reception. I have no problem recommending the n900 to friends, and still do. One of mine just picked up one last week and loves it.

sachin007 2010-06-30 14:47

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
Just a question --

If i overclock the n900 to 1ghz is it going to be the same speed of the iphone? (Of course iphone 4 has 512 mb ram.. other than that?)

ysss 2010-06-30 14:56

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
@sachin007: it can't be directly compared (yet?). Neither device has been hacked to run each other's OSes. Thus you'll always be comparing apples (heh) and oranges.

Grok 2010-06-30 15:10

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by disappointed (Post 735106)
my contract is up for renewel. I am considering new i phone 4g or nokia n900.

your thoughts,,,

Congratulations!

You have been successfully Trolled!

Six minutes after starting this thread, he has received his n900, broke the usb port and sent it Nokia's Head Office. Then he posted here....

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...118#post735118

What a pathetic wind up attempt!:mad:

ste-phan 2010-06-30 15:25

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
The screen on the iPhone has a better resulution than the N900.

However it does not run Maemo 5 and that is too bad because you have to miss the great user interface and integrated full functional skype. :)
Also the N900 resistive screen is in advantage for web surfing and filling in forms as well as the great scetching application Mypaint.
Ok , maybe you do not need that.

Seriously in general, my view is that Apple and Google spy too much.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/tech...hone-ipad.html
Questions are bing raised from government side in the Netherlands and Germany and Apple needs to explain the mechanisms used further in dept.
http://www.spiegel.de/netzwelt/web/0...702994,00.html
Wether or not it is to protect the citicens' priviacy or get a grip on the "hidden" functionality of the iPhone , all that does not fit my own privacy policy does it fit yours?
People suggest Android too... give me a break. .last week Google has been field testing remote removal of applications on user's phone.

The tollerance level for this kind of practices is way too high!

An N900 does not try to hide that it is in fact a computer. It does not harvest your user data by default.

Neegs 2010-06-30 15:32

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Grok (Post 735521)
Congratulations!

You have been successfully Trolled!

Six minutes after starting this thread, he has received his n900, broke the usb port and sent it Nokia's Head Office. Then he posted here....

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...118#post735118

What a pathetic wind up attempt!:mad:

Haha that is classic, i personally thought that is was a good discussion from the board ussually if you mention iphone flame wars ensue but it has for the most part been ok.

Oh well i am sure there are others out there that wanted the info

nbvora13 2010-06-30 15:35

Re: Nokia N900 or iPhone 4g?
 
The simplest way I can answer is...

If you want to get trapped in to forever Apple zone, and keep paying enormous money for iPhone 1, 2, 3, 4...∞ then buy iPhone...

If you want to use your phone for at least 2/3 years (considering the fact that every quarter companies come up with new phones with something "different" (?))...then buy some smartphone worth $400/$500...

If you want to change your phone every year then buy some smartphone worth $200 (Nokia has many)...

User experience would always be traditional with all Nokia, Sony Ericsson, Android phones...though restrictions would be too many for iPhone...

Cheers,
~nV!


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