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Nokia Conversations.

I must say he's had it coming - a particularly poor and bitter/twisted blogger, I guess Nokia have had just about all they can take from the guy who seems to have a knack of acquiring unreleased and unfinished product (Nokia might want to look at their security precautions).

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Agreed - I love a preview as much as the next guy - but this bloke seems to delight in getting prototype devices and reviewing them as if they are finished pieces. A perfect example is the N900 which 90% of the issues he found had been resolved in the final product.

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open source HW...love it :D

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I find it odd that people can form such a strong opinion about this based on some tweets/blogposts/previews/reviews..

Maybe it's just me.

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I'd be pissed as well if i was Nokia, he gets stolen prototypes 6 months before release revealing stuff about them while at same time doing consultancy work for Nokia rivals(i.e samsung), the amount of damage this could of potentially done is massive as rivals are getting at least a 6 month head start to counter whatever Nokia are planning

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I agree with your points, but he has someone giving him the devices. It's the inside man that you want.

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Which is why they're after him, I suppose. Get the names, drop the suit.

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he is not forced to accept the stolen property and reveal to people he as them, he does it for self gain otherwise he would keep it all secret

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Maybe he obtained some kind of agreement similar to Nokia's "invitation" to register a MyNokia account in the PR1.2 update.

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From the blog, it sounds like Nokia just wants its phone back, which in turn, they could use to discover the inside source. It doesn't sound like they're going after Eldar or his blog, though as a consequence of returning the phone, Eldar would lose his inside source, which may then diminish the value of his blog. Either way, it's fair for Nokia to want its property back.

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Its times like these when you wish Jack Bauer was still in business.

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Adding to the echochamber. Also, I am rather amazed that Nokia allowed him to keep doing this as long as they did.

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I think Eldar is trying to play the crowd here. He is complaining and wining about this development, but at the same time insists he does nothing wrong.

If that is the case, then surely Eldar doesnt mind the honorable russian police officer checking that.

If they find fault, grill him, if they dont, then nothing.

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He'd have to be pretty thick to not realise that publicizing stolen prototypes from a company that is a competitor to the firms for whom you're a consultant would be a problem ;)

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Shades of Apple going after that "insider" before... and I don't mean the Gizmodo debacle.

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What "insider" are you referring to?

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AppleInsider.

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While I agree that action against Eldar is overdue, I had a good laugh at this sentence: "At Nokia, we pride ourselves on being an open and transparent company..."

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Negri Electronics/Technobuffalo, lineup you are next...

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Keep knocking 'em down, then who will report about Nokia's products in the end?

At this rate, either they (Nokia) will have to start communicating more or risk nobody covering their products out of fear of even breaking an embargo by a few minutes or days.

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It strikes me that the problem with this is that once the cat is let out of the bag, Nokia are forced to pull their deadlines forwards in order to meet expectations and avoid competitors adapting their products. The result of that would be a poorer experience for consumers, with a product not being released according to plan QA and bug-testing...

Sounds familiar. Perhaps it even explains a few things? Theft is theft, if he has received stolen property, then he should be prosecuted just like anybody else.

Mish.

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Where has Nokia pulled their deadlines forward? Examples?

And for the record, I agree. Theft is theft.

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Your missing the point here we are not talking about ppl breaking a embargo on legit devices few days early, its about stolen secret prototype hardware still in development getting stolen and IP getting leaked to rivals b/c of it
Nokia send review units all over the world for bloggers and tech sites to use and WomWorld do a great job for nokia by communicating with journalists/bloggers putting on events.
Nokia have been more open than any other with future hardware plans, find me another manufacturer who would reveal some of the future specs 12 months before the devices are even out like Nokia did at last maemo summit.
communication is not the problem or solution here b/c nobody is open about devices at a secret prototype stage.
people need to separate OSS with the devices it go's on.

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I beg to differ. Bloggers try to take up a bigger footprint than they have. Allaboutsymbian/meego, carrypad/umpcportal etc are very well respected sites that provide good reviews. So to answer the question: if they keep knocking em down, whose gonna cover their products? Another blog, another forum, another enthusiast

I think the direction Anssi Vanjoki is taking is a good one.

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its probably related to Russia's recent announcement that they want more tech companies to invest in Russia (they've been wooing Nokia).
Nokia now have to leverage against the russian government to act, Eldar could have friends in high places for all we know.

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I'm not convinced by all the brouhaha about competitors knowing your upcoming device specs and plans. Had the N900 been a completely open-source friendly device, NONE of that would have been relevant or mattered. The community would maintain it and advance it a LOT better than Nokia has managed.

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Ok, first of all there is a lot more to the device than just the open source software/OS. What about all the hardware and RF antenae et.c.? Secondly, it was not just the N900 that he blew the whistle on- it was many products, most of them S60.

And don't say something like "well they could have used open-source hardware" - see OpenMoko for how well that works out. There is a place for IP, especially with the largest mobile device manufacturer in the world behind it.

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Are you saying that OpenMoko failed because they made open-source devices?

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When I said theft, I wasn't thinking of intellectual property. The phone belonged to Nokia, as they had not released or sold it. It was their physical property, and he had no right to it. What happened was little different from when a skank walks into a mobile phone store, sticks a phone in his pocket, and walks out without paying, then sells it on eBay. (although he was the receiver of the stolen goods). That is theft - open source is irrelevant. If I steal a PC with Linux on it, it is still stealing a computer, just as much as if it runs Windows.

The IP is another matter - but I am sure this could be adequately prosecuted without even getting into that, by prosecuting him just like any petty criminal who receives stolen goods. he has posted a video of himself handling property that belongs to somebody else. What a knob.

On the issue of 'deadlines', it was a hypothetical scenario, but reading through the lines here with what happened with the N8:

http://techie-buzz.com/mobile-news/n...-murtazin.html

If Nokia play this right, they could generate considerable free publicity for this phone at this guy's expense.

Mish.

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No. I'm not missing the point. I'm just saying how cautious people will more than likely become.

But... I just hope people here have the same responses as they did when Gizmodo illegally obtained iPhone 4 phone - read the responses here.

I'll state it the same way as before: theft is theft. But then it was an outrage by some, some others had choice words for Apple to do so.

But to turn around and fully support Nokia in this endeavor counters some of the prior remarks made within this very same forum about yet another manufacturer trying to protect their IP and yet to be disclosed products.

I hope that you see that I'm all about how the response should close or almost the same since it's all about stolen/misappropriated materials that are not meant for release for quite some time.

I missed nothing. I just desire an even response. I think you missed that.

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A lot of the responses are similar to here, from what I can see (only read to p.5 & got bored) - it was theft, and although people may not like Apple, they had a right to pursue legal action. There were a few who didn't go along with this.

Interesting about the Foxconn suicide being raised in that discussion. The iPad launch in the UK was accompanied with a front page spread followed by 2-page leader about the iPad & 10 suicides at the plant in the months before it's release. That Sony & Nokia use the Foxconn mega-plant was mentioned, but not prominently as Apple.

The 'bleeding edge of technology', eh?

Mish.

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Hardware is a different proposition from software for a variety of reasons; materials, production, design, quality control, et.c. With large-scale open source software even if you don't have a large commercial entity backing the project you can end up with excellent, successful solutions. But hardware is a lot more expensive and complicated - at least until rapid prototyping and on-demand manufacture becomes dirt cheap. Until then, having a large commercial backer with enough clout and money to put together the production, such things will either fail or stay in the sidelines. I loved the idea of what Openmoko was but I was never under the illusion that it was going to work out any better than it did.

Still does not change my point about intellectual property involved in the hardware of prototype devices. Industrial espionage has always been an issue and this is no different.

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Hardware was not the failure of OM. As an owner of a FreeRunner, I can tell you what killed the project was the constant base-shifting in the software. There are no less than 5 base images, all radically different (some doing direct access, some using X, some using dbus...), and none of them were 100% complete. Every hardware issue (and there were a couple) had fixes available within days, and often were repaired for the cost of shipping/dropping your device at a local retailer that supported them.

As for the blogger, it's part of the game. If you're accepting/reviewing devices that are not through an official pre-view channel, expect a smack down. It's all part of the "scoop" mentality where everyone wants to be the first, and it's pointless. In fact, with tech it's almost detrimental, since what you're reviewing may turn out to not be at all like what's released. The closer you get to the launched image, the better you are when it comes to doing an accurate review.

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I agree.

But Eldar annoyed me more because he reported on devices with you having no clue about the status of the device or OS. Either report it right or don't do it at all. And by right I mean a message warning that this review is based off an unfinished prototype.

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I really like new Nokia. They are getting serious about their business and they want to become leading company again. Imagine if Eldar gets his hands on N9 or whatever MeeGo device comes out, that would be a disaster so he needs to STFU. I fully suppot Nokia

Google is a good company but when there is big money involved your mantra "dont be evil" wont work same goes for Nokia. I just hope they wont cross the line and become more like Crapple :)

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I wouldn't mind any normal reviewer getting his mind on a prototype (legality aside). As long as they report it like that they're using a prototype. And showing more what's been included so far, pointing out bugs that hopefully get fixed rather than trying to review it like a finished device.

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I'm not condoning theft in the slightest. However, prototypes fall into competitors hands all the time.

In a past life, I worked for another mobile manufacturer (also in Scandinavia). They would regularly receive competitor prototypes to have a look at. It was almost (but never openly discussed) like they accepted that rivals would see each others hardware.

But, I do understand that this case isn't quite the same. It's a 3rd party publicly disclosing information he shouldn't have.

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That's the thing. He used to work for Nokia and for some reason he got fired and now he never writes anything good about Nokia. I know Russian and couple of days ago I was reading his live journal and his responses to comments. He said something like YES I have my sources to get prototypes and i wont disclose them ( which is somewhat ok) but then he writes that he wont return them to Nokia because he doesn't want to

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Yeah, I completely agree with this.

BTW, it wasn't always like this. I liked Eldar's review about the N900 last year. But clearly, there are lots of reviewers who respect better that something is just a prototype / pre-release device and don't review them as they were final ones.

And about the "sources" who steal devices from their employer: well, it is the right thing to do to shut them down.

I agree with Nokia: it was the right thing to do what they did.

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The Point is that Eldar got the "balls" against Nokia and tells the Community the truth about there Products and Politics. He have many followers so if he says for Example that Symbian 3 is garbage then the whole Mobile Press like Engadget and Co following him. I guess this is the real Problem behind the N8 Story.

But its allways the same like here if you say something thats the Truth but nobody wants to hear it then you get blamed.