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Thesandlord 2010-07-08 04:20

Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
So I have been a N810 user since it came out, and though I had my doubts its one of the greatest gadgets ever. Sure it had its shortcomings, but it was so ahead of the curve that it amazes me to this day. 4 inch screen, qwerty keyboard, super thin, front cam, 400x800 etc...

But of course its not very fast compared to new devices, the app development has stopped (in favor of N900), so basically it is EOL...

But there really has not been a replacement for it, nothing had the same size screen, nothing had the keyboard, nothing had the front cam, nothing had the slimness. The n900 was small and fat, Nexus and iPhone were meh, etc.

But now Samsung has released the Epic 4G to be soon on Sprint. In my opinion it is the spiritual successor to the N810. Hardware is everything the N810 was and more. Sure it does not run Maemo, but that is a small price to pay (or is it?) for all the increased functionality.

What do you guys think, is the Epic the "next N810" ??

nosa101 2010-07-08 04:31

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
Is it the same size?

Thesandlord 2010-07-08 04:43

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nosa101 (Post 744478)
Is it the same size?

Same size screen and resolution and same thickness I believe. Slightly smaller bezel, which is a good thing.

gerbick 2010-07-08 04:47

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
All about the Epic 4G is awesome... all but the carrier of choice in the US. Sprint is not in my list of favorites by a long shot.

paulkoan 2010-07-08 05:29

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
Another CDMA phone?

Forget it.

jnwi 2010-07-08 06:16

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
Why not wait for the N9? Then you won't have to worry about whether the OS switch is worth it, and it'll be out only a few months later.

kenga 2010-07-08 11:46

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
When you get N9 it will be dumped by Nokia as N900 was.

roguespy0 2010-07-08 11:54

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
I love Nokia and the n900 but I am losing faith. The epic is a great device. I am getting the samsung vibrant and will see what nokia does with meego.

optimistprime 2010-07-08 12:07

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 744482)
All about the Epic 4G is awesome... all but the carrier of choice in the US. Sprint is not in my list of favorites by a long shot.

yes, Sprint is the worst U.S carrier by far. The worst reception(AT&T is a close 2nd), worst customer service, and the prices are lame.

I'll never go back to them, no matter the phone. Just being able to transfer a sim card alone to a different phone and back without having to call and activate and deactivate is worth it.

rickysio 2010-07-08 12:15

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
The N8 Keyboard Ver/N9/C7/E7/whatever seems to fit in your list quite well.

tekplay 2010-07-09 00:45

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulkoan (Post 744497)
Another CDMA phone?

Forget it.

Telecom NZ going to end CDMA
http://www.mobilebusinessbriefing.co...etwork-closure

heavyt 2010-07-09 01:06

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
If I could buy it out right without a contract and if Clear Wire would allow me to use it instead of my N810W on their network I would get one. But Clear Wire so far will not allow evo-4g or epic 4g on there network because their brand is not on the units (as far as I know). :(

GeraldKo 2010-07-09 05:21

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
The Epic 4G looks to me like the right choice for now if you like a hardware keyboard (like the OP said, as a replacement for the N810). As for a happy N800 user, who doesn't feel the need for a hardware keyboard, but really wants as big a screen as possible in a pocketable size, the Motorola Droid X looks best. Only 2/3 the weight of the N810, but with a 4.3" screen, 0.4" deep instead of 0.55", and just a tad narrower -- seems like the best form factor to me.

Of course, I'm not actually getting one.:) I'm still satisfied with my N800 (and have come to like the N810, too; just set one up and gave it as a gift), and I want a phone-less tablet. But the specs on the Droid X are so much to my liking that I could see buying one, if it will work without a contract, and using it just with WiFi.

(I'm still hoping for a MeeGo tablet with specs like the Droid X, and no cellphone, and can wait a while longer.)

paulkoan 2010-07-09 06:12

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeraldKo (Post 745708)
(I'm still hoping for a MeeGo tablet with specs like the Droid X, and no cellphone, and can wait a while longer.)

No cellphone? So no data access on the move? Or would you want to use bluetooth to another phone to get data?

Seems to me that with 3G speeds, bluetooth is a bit of a bottleneck.

GeraldKo 2010-07-09 17:36

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulkoan (Post 745738)
No cellphone? So no data access on the move? Or would you want to use bluetooth to another phone to get data?

Seems to me that with 3G speeds, bluetooth is a bit of a bottleneck.

Yeah, DanRamos and I are going to die waiting for the high-performance WiFi-only pocketable computer tablet to arrive!

I'm a special case: able to afford a nice tablet but unwilling to give much money to the telecoms, and not in need of constant connectivity.

As for Dan, I think he'd rather have his pocket computer separate from his phone, not sharing the battery or the risks of loss or damage.

My hope resides in one fact: we're not really alone: Apple hasn't done too badly with the iPod touch.

buurmas 2010-07-09 18:12

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kenga (Post 744794)
When you get N9 it will be dumped by Nokia as N900 was.

And Samsung will never dump the Epic? Or, to be fairer, you have some reason to believe that Samsung will give the Epic more support than Nokia has given its devices? Just trying to be wary of the "grass is always greener..." syndrome.

Quote:

Originally Posted by GeraldKo (Post 746281)
I'm a special case: able to afford a nice tablet but unwilling to give much money to the telecoms, and not in need of constant connectivity.

Then I must be "special" too. ;)

lma 2010-07-09 18:40

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
Nice 4-row keyboard, screen size, battery capacity, RAM & CPU specs, shame about the OS :-(

AlMehdi 2010-07-09 18:52

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
I would wait until Cortex v9 comes with dual core. Am not sure how it will hold battery though..

hordeman 2010-07-09 18:56

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
We had a nice little thread running here about comparable N810-like devices. The two closest were the SFR M! PC Pocket MID and gigabyte M528 --- both, I believe, are capable of running full Ubuntu desktop distros.

paulkoan 2010-07-09 23:42

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GeraldKo (Post 746281)
I'm a special case: able to afford a nice tablet but unwilling to give much money to the telecoms, and not in need of constant connectivity.

I can modify for free any GSM 3G capable tablet you may purchase that you would rather not have to give money to telecoms people to use.

I can do it remotely too. Basically it involves not buying or installing a sim card. I'll provide more details about how to do this once you get your tablet :)

I am the other way around. I would prefer every computing device I had to have 3G capability - just in case. I could then take the sim out of my phone and put it in my laptop / tablet if needed. Even though these occasions don't arise frequently, in my life it would make a big difference in that moment when they did. Options are always better for me.

Thesandlord 2010-07-10 00:10

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AlMehdi (Post 746358)
I would wait until Cortex v9 comes with dual core. Am not sure how it will hold battery though..

Well you can always wait for the next great thing, but then you would always be waiting. And FYI those chips will be more power efficient and more powerful, as they are 28nm scale vs current 45nm or 65nm (I think).

Also I have learned never to trust any company to improve a released product. If you don't like the functionality it has on release day, don't buy it. Sure you can ***** and moan as much as you want the x company sucks, but you still won't get your update... This applies to Nokia, Samsung, everybody...

I hate the fact that it is CDMA, but its a trade off considering I live in a 4G city most of the time and the Epic is the "best" Galaxy S device

danramos 2010-07-10 01:01

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulkoan (Post 746718)
I can modify for free any GSM 3G capable tablet you may purchase that you would rather not have to give money to telecoms people to use.

I can do it remotely too. Basically it involves not buying or installing a sim card. I'll provide more details about how to do this once you get your tablet :)

Can you also make it cheaper and lighter, with space for other more useful components, now that you managed to remove the GSM 3G on it? Yanno--that's the whole POINT of wanting a device missing those worthless features like an appendix on an evolved human.

danramos 2010-07-14 19:39

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
What? paulkoan, no answer? I thought you could do that remotely too. Hello? I thought so.

paulkoan 2010-07-14 23:23

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
I see, and there was me thinking dogma was the whole point.

danramos 2010-07-15 22:53

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulkoan (Post 752209)
I see, and there was me thinking dogma was the whole point.

Even if dogma is the point, you appear myopic. The point is to remove the unnecessary and have room for improvements.

paulkoan 2010-07-16 01:21

Re: Epic 4G - The first worthy upgrade from a N810?
 
It is more than myopia, it is blindness. Because in the future that I see, the one that I look toward, connectivity is more, not less. I want everything to be connected to the internet, no matter where it is. My phone, my fridge, my tv, my sunglasses, my car, my bike, the very clothes I am wearing.

I want data access to be ubiquitous, cheap and plentiful.

And you can't win me over no matter how rational your arguments are. Because my short-sighted view demands that improvements come with the retention of functionality and connectivity, not with their absense. Keep the radio, reduce the size, power consumption, increase the speed, but do not remove. Improve.

I am just as dogmatic about this, and as always, an idea that is not put there by logic cannot be removed by logic. So the vision of mobile internet tablets that cannot connect to the internet while mobile will never be one that I can see in my future vision: I am blind.

And I look forward to the day where I sit with my grandkids and tell them that in the olden days, no matter what they see on Get Smart, we weren't able to communicate via our shoes. And they will look back at me like I am a dinosaur and walk away.


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