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colm.smyth 2010-07-08 06:07

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I now its not much more and its not anything particularly new but MeeGo is looking very nice.

Cant wait to see what sort of front end Nokia paste on

Check out the link below

http://irelandstechnologyblog.blogsp...ing-meego.html

bxbomber 2010-07-08 21:54

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I'd go for a moorestown intel phone if the screen size was between 4-5 inches. That would be nice. Of course i'd have to take my charger with me but I can live with that.

bzbnd 2010-07-08 21:59

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maemo5 is more beautiful ithink

NvyUs 2010-07-08 22:15

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heres a 16 minute video

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VqpVP414WJo

the AAVa device is sexy would love to see them mass produce it for consumers, 1.5 Ghz CPU, yes please sir

Rauha 2010-07-08 22:24

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Originally Posted by NvyUs (Post 745432)

the AAVa device is sexy would love to see them mass produce it for consumers, 1.5 Ghz CPU, yes please sir

Unfortunately they aren't in business of making products for consumers. Would be nice, if somebody bought rights for their design.

NvyUs 2010-07-08 22:30

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yea i know that is what saddens me b/c there designs are cool, the company was only founded in 2009 so they are still very young and finding there feet but with Intel backing them they could end up being to Intel what HTC have become to Google.

nightfire 2010-07-08 23:01

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That video makes me both angry and sad. Maemo is such an outstanding interface...

This Meego interface looks like garbage.

I know it's still under heavy development, but it seems the design concepts are once again slipping back towards unusable eye-candy to attract iPhone fanboys.

Why Nokia? Why? :(

Maemo is lightweight, attractive and customizable, unbelievably functional.. Throwing it away just _makes no sense_.

wmarone 2010-07-08 23:07

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Originally Posted by nightfire (Post 745472)
Why Nokia?

Because Nokia is driving forward into the new smartphone space with this, and if they're going to steal any market share it'll be from Android and the iPhone. Familiarity is a plus.

It sucks for us, sure, but...

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Maemo is lightweight, attractive and customizable, unbelievably functional.. Throwing it away just _makes no sense_.
We can always make our own. People are modifying hildon-home now on Maemo, no reason the existing MeeGo handset UI (or tablet UI) can't be made to work (better.) You won't see it on phones directly, but then I don't expect the existing Maemo community would stick with the defaults :)

ste-phan 2010-07-09 06:50

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Originally Posted by nightfire (Post 745472)
That video makes me both angry and sad. Maemo is such an outstanding interface...

This Meego interface looks like garbage.

I know it's still under heavy development, but it seems the design concepts are once again slipping back towards unusable eye-candy to attract iPhone fanboys.

Why Nokia? Why? :(

Maemo is lightweight, attractive and customizable, unbelievably functional.. Throwing it away just _makes no sense_.

Exactly my idea. :eek:

If Nokintel's strategy was to impress and to attract the attention of potential IOS4 or Android 2.2 buyers in order to have them postpone their summer phone.. er no, pocket computer purchase and wait for Meego they would have better let ME showcase the Maemo 5 interface under the nominator MeeGo 1.x. :cool:
Because imo that crowed has never seen Maemo in action. On the other hand crap like this Meego 1.1 must look quiet familiar to them and provide them with the satisfaction of having the cooler device in their pocket.

If Nokintel's strategy was to mislead the competition till the near final release of the real MeeGo (further ergo-tuned Maemo interface) and drop a real revolutionary bomb they are well in track. :rolleyes:

If they like to inspire their current fan base of Maemo users and devs.. Sad indeed. :mad:

Really hoping there will be multiple interfaces available: Generic dumbed down smartphone mode (what we see now) and pro interface - further improvement of Maemo 5 including command prompt and smart interface designs (hell no fennec standard interface)

tissot 2010-07-09 10:08

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I'm still quite confident that we will see something like the leaked pictures year ago about harmattan. Eldar at least said that the UI on N9 is very different to what we have seen from vanilla MeeGo.

I sure hope so because i'm not happy at all about the handset UX.

tso 2010-07-09 16:23

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ugh, meego is a ****up of epic proportions.

1. the netbook edition is moblin with a new theme, and overly customized towards intel atom.

2. their handset version initial release is not available on any hardware generally available from day one.

3. intel is also working on a android for x86.

i fear nokia will be left with the bill on this one once the android on x86 takes hold (cisco seems to be planing its use for their new product, and there is also android tv from google).

wmarone 2010-07-09 16:32

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Originally Posted by tso (Post 746221)
1. the netbook edition is moblin with a new theme, and overly customized towards intel atom.

And? Intel is contributing the software, Intel is doing the development. If you want it on other platforms, someone has to put up the effort. If you want a different interface, someone has to write it.

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2. their handset version initial release is not available on any hardware generally available from day one.
The handset release works on the N900. Not 100%, but it runs.

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3. intel is also working on a android for x86.
Intel is a chip company, anything that runs well on their chips is a potential source of revenue.

Please think, maybe then you won't panic.

tso 2010-07-09 18:12

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panic? what panic? I'm just wondering where the heck nokia is in this meego thing, as so far they seems to have been sidelined except as owner of trolltech and therefor Qt.

and that handset works on N900 is as expected, but why oh why was the images available for flashing on day one aimed at a hardware platform and device that was not generally available to third party devs? Thanks to that, aava and x86 is stealing all of nokia and arm's thunder. Where is the partnership?

so far everything meego seems to be primarily focused on x86, with arm being a redheaded step-child best not talked about.

and this, combined with the experience nokia have from doing maemo makes me really wonder what nokia gets out of this meego partnership.

the whole thing starts to look like some kind of "look, we are doing open source" song and dance.

mikecomputing 2010-07-09 18:31

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Originally Posted by bzbnd (Post 745414)
maemo5 is more beautiful ithink

Agree fully if this is "nextgen Maemo" its a BIG miustake from nokia!!!

They should use UI from Maemo5 and impromve it in MeeGo not invent android/Iphone copy :-(

radiowc 2010-07-09 18:53

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Meego need to have a very different UI. ... why copy or reused others UI that already exists in the market, then it is not new. I love this Meego concepts... but please not the same old UI such as like looks like iphone, Htc. etc.

Should opened up an open competition for everyone to design new meego UI. the let users decides what they want. This will definitely give new ideas.

etuoyo 2010-07-09 19:08

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Does this mean we are not going to get desktops and widgets? That would be a huge fail I think. This looks quite boring. Extremely boring actually. And it doesn't even look eye candy if that is what they were going for. Iphone interface looks a million times nicer.

I think after this I have lost total interest in meego for handsets. Meego for tablets looks amazing though. Any chance someone will release a device with a screen of around 4 inches that has the tablet interface rather than this boring mobile interface? I would definitely go for that. Have already decided I will definitely get a meego tablet (if someone releases a good tablet).

afaq 2010-07-09 19:22

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Some fair points raised. Those who dont like the meego UX as it stands should stick with Maemo 5. The N900 will be around for a while so no one has to rush to Meego. Take your time - feel the market and enhancements and then invest in a new device/OS.

taril 2010-07-09 19:31

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this is a wont release device.

wmarone 2010-07-10 16:38

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Originally Posted by tso (Post 746324)
panic? what panic? I'm just wondering where the heck nokia is in this meego thing, as so far they seems to have been sidelined except as owner of trolltech and therefor Qt.

Probably creating their own front-end and merging it with the Maemo core to create MeeGo-Harmattan. Remember, the handset UI we see is not necessarily what the vendors who use MeeGo will provide.

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and that handset works on N900 is as expected, but why oh why was the images available for flashing on day one aimed at a hardware platform and device that was not generally available to third party devs? Thanks to that, aava and x86 is stealing all of nokia and arm's thunder. Where is the partnership?
The handset image for the N900 was not complete. Before the day was out you could build an N900 image though, if a bit incomplete.

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so far everything meego seems to be primarily focused on x86, with arm being a redheaded step-child best not talked about.
That's because Intel is doing development for Intel. If people want ARM, someone has to do the work. Right now it seems to mostly be a smaller team from Nokia. Intel won't, however, because it's not their problem.

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and this, combined with the experience nokia have from doing maemo makes me really wonder what nokia gets out of this meego partnership.
Lower costs in terms of OS maintenance. They should be able to focus more on the end-user experience than assembling an OS.

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the whole thing starts to look like some kind of "look, we are doing open source" song and dance.
As if "doing open source" were a bad song and dance. MeeGo lets them offer a level of openness that Maemo was never allowed to achieve.

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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 746328)
what's stopping nokia from going x86?

Power consumption. Intel is nowhere near where they need to be.

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Originally Posted by radiowc (Post 746359)
Meego need to have a very different UI. ... why copy or reused others UI that already exists in the market, then it is not new. I love this Meego concepts... but please not the same old UI such as like looks like iphone, Htc. etc.

I've mentioned it elsewhere that when you're coming late to a market you will be trying to pull customers away from your competitors. The UI we see is banking on end-user familiarity with the layout, instead of plunging them into the unfamiliar.

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Should opened up an open competition for everyone to design new meego UI. the let users decides what they want. This will definitely give new ideas.
Nothing is stopping you from doing this now. You may not find your UI ideas on a handset, but you could certainly make it available to everyone else. And who knows, if someone does like it enough, they might adopt it for theirs.

ysss 2010-07-10 16:42

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Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 747369)
Power consumption. Intel is nowhere near where they need to be.

Precisely.

And that's 'just' a single technical parameter that's quite rapidly being 'addressed' in a few ways.

Nokia is not bound to just ARM based devices...

nightfire 2010-07-10 17:09

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I still just can't understand why they wouldn't continue Maemo development. Is it because the UI is based on gtk?

When you consider how many tens of thousands of hours must have gone into it.. mafw.. their bt stack.. the contacts/events/calendar framework.. widgets and the desktop.. and what a superb system it is.. it's a crying shame. :(

I feel like I'm waking up from the dream of a pocket debian workstation to yet another badly implemented iphone knock-off.

theflew 2010-07-10 17:57

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Originally Posted by nightfire (Post 747392)
I still just can't understand why they wouldn't continue Maemo development. Is it because the UI is based on gtk?

When you consider how many tens of thousands of hours must have gone into it.. mafw.. their bt stack.. the contacts/events/calendar framework.. widgets and the desktop.. and what a superb system it is.. it's a crying shame. :(

I feel like I'm waking up from the dream of a pocket debian workstation to yet another badly implemented iphone knock-off.

Don't forget the MeeGo UX everyone is complaining about is a pre-alpha reference implementation. Nokia's Harmatten/MeeGo implementation or their MeeGo proper implementation might not look anything like the reference implementation. The reference implementation is there as open source software, so hardware vendors can install it and have something working on their devices . It's not something you ship as a final UX with your products.

attila77 2010-07-10 17:58

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Originally Posted by ysss (Post 747372)
And that's 'just' a single technical parameter that's quite rapidly being 'addressed' in a few ways.
Nokia is not bound to just ARM based devices...

Certainly not *bound*, but going X86 would be a major switch (and in the first couple of iterations done via an OEM). As for rapidly... Moorestown is still not in the same league and Medfield products will appear well into 2011. As if that wasn’t bad enough, by then Cortex-A9 based designs will be mainstream and also going 32nm, so it won’t be enough to just address power concerns, but they will need to push on the performance envelope, too (an area Atoms had minimal improvements in the past year). I’m not saying they can’t pull it off, but the odds are against them (unless major idiocies happen, like Apple buying out ARM or sorts).


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