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GameboyRMH 2010-07-27 12:47

Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/...ks-says-study/

Quote:

96 percent those most likely to criticize the iPad, on the other hand, don’t even own one (updated). This group tends tend to be “self-directed young people who look down on conformity and are interested in videogames, computers, electronics, science and the internet,” Koelkebeck said.
One might expect people with an interest in videogames, computers, electronics, science and the internet to be interested in a device that lets you play videogames, functions like a computer, is made of electronics, relies on science and connects to the internet, which suggests there would be a high convert rate if the “have nots” just went to an Apple Store for the afternoon.
I don't think the author understands why "independent geeks" don't like iPads. It's because they're locked down, they're bland appliances that are not to be tinkered with that seem to be owned more by the manufacturer than the end user, which is about the opposite of what we want in our devices. It's the same reason a car enthusiast would prefer a Lotus Exige to an R35 Nissan GTR.

ossipena 2010-07-27 12:56

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
it would be nice if op would give something more than a link plus "discuss"...

it must be somewhat interesting to op if he has created the thread in the first place...

GameboyRMH 2010-07-27 13:01

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
Added comment to opening post.

atilla 2010-07-27 13:21

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
damn ipad dont got a ****in usb port.
what the hell is wrong with apple?
damn even my girlfriends *** has a usb port......
think about it

Rauha 2010-07-27 13:24

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by atilla (Post 766444)
damn even my girlfriends *** has a usb port......
think about it

Don't have girlfriend right now, but I'm certainly think about having one. Or boyfriend, I'm not picky.

atilla 2010-07-27 13:31

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 766447)
Don't have girlfriend right now, but I'm certainly think about having one. Or boyfriend, I'm not picky.

hahahah looool

so damn off topic......

jd4200 2010-07-27 14:42

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
in




out...

IzzehO 2010-07-28 01:20

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
What's even funnier is reading the comments. Man people are stupid:

"I like video game, I interest in science.. I is geek... then why do iOwn an iPad? BLAM THIS STUDY"

Way too many self-proclaiming geeks don't know the first thing they are talking about.

gerbick 2010-07-28 04:12

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
I don't get how people can come to hate an inanimate object with so much zeal. It's like the iPad or iPhone has assaulted some of y'all... took your girlfriend/boyfriend/blowup doll and you're one comment away from becoming the next Mel Gibson.

I just don't get it.

gerbick 2010-07-28 05:52

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
I seriously doubt it has much to do with capitalism as much as it has to do with commercialism or perception - more of the latter, a tad bit of the former.

If anything - and I'm gonna piss off a bunch of folks here - I'm personally tired of hearing that this or that is a better option when it has very little in some areas to show for it.

Concept is great. But I cannot go out and by concept. Do people fall for Apple's marketing? Hell yeah. Does it make them dumb and you smart since you don't fall for it? Perhaps not.

But it really just shows that you're easily angered by stuff being different than what you use... when honestly it's just a different rock in a caveman's hand.

The hate, I've never understood. Fanboyism is analogous to patriotism. And talking about stuff but not having truly universally accepted options that can fully replace the thing(s) you hate so much, waste of time.

Who knows. Perhaps there is a true need to evaluate a fanboy. I fear they'll just find a bunch of outsiders that want to be insiders but only based on their limited grasp of what makes an group a functional group.

Laughing_Man 2010-07-28 05:52

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
Quote:

... device that lets you play videogames, functions like a computer, is made of electronics, relies on science and connects to the internet ...
Wait a minute... I thought it was supposed to be magical...

gerbick 2010-07-28 05:54

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
Science magically appeared in that sentence.

Laughing_Man 2010-07-28 06:16

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 767358)
The hate, I've never understood. Fanboyism is analogous to patriotism. And talking about stuff but not having truly universally accepted options that can fully replace the thing(s) you hate so much, waste of time.

Hate tends to show up after one gets extremely tired of something (an idea, a product, etc) you dont really give a damn about, keeps getting shoved in your face no matter what you do to avoid it, or gets presented with ridiculous claimings. Of course this statements might not be exactly true for some people, but, in my experience talking about the ipad with a lot of people, tends to be that way. I even found ipad haters between some self-proclamed apple lovers (ipod/iphone owners, etc).

Also, when you get to spend 30 mins with someone telling you about how revolutionary the device is, and how they think every device in the future of desktop computers is a certain doom in a couple of years, and that a powerful tool (such as flash) that was born a few moments after the birth of the world wide web (and survived through a lot), is going to be dead by next year, thinking that HTML5 is going to kill flash without even knowing wtf HTML5 is, believe you me, you will feel the rage and start to hate. Some people will rage and hate for a while (amount of time always will depend of the desperation for attention of the person), and others, will do for a long time till it gets old, just for trolling.

IzzehO 2010-07-28 06:17

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 767358)
The hate, I've never understood.

My main DISLIKE for Apple and their products is the fear it will send us backwards. We have these products up on pedestals as the thing for all companies to aspire to, and frankly, that terrifies me.

There has been a great amount of progress towards open source, and in general free and open, and I'd hate to see that moved backwards due to other companies mimicking the closed source sheep mentality that Apple pushes.

Call it what you will, explain it how you like, but for me personally I fear Apple is suppressing not only freedom in software... but also technology (incorporating old technologies as 'the biggest thing ever' Eg. video calling).

Ps. With great power, comes great responsibility... and (being at the 'top') Apple is abusing this.

EDIT:
Quote:

Originally Posted by Laughing_Man (Post 767381)
Also, when you get to spend 30 mins with someone telling you about how revolutionary the device is, and how they think every device in the future of desktop computers is a certain doom in a couple of years, and that a powerful tool (such as flash) that was born a few moments after the birth of the world wide web (and survived through a lot), is going to be dead by next year, thinking that HTML5 is going to kill flash without even knowing wtf HTML5 is, believe you me, you will feel the rage and start to hate. Some people will rage and hate for a while (amount of time always will depend of the desperation for attention of the person), and others, will do for a long time till it gets old, just for trolling.

This, in itself, is the explanation for my emotional dislike for Apple. The 'brick wall' mentality of many unknowledgeable Apple users that self-proclaim being at the bleeding edge of technology.

gerbick 2010-07-28 06:45

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
I get what you guys are saying, but...

If the hate were based solely on stuff being shoved in your face, I'd almost be driven to a frothy mouthed madness pertaining Linux... and I'm a 14 year user. Each day "Linux can do this... Linux can cure cancer... Linux is the best for ALL OF YOUR USES..." whatnot when... in my case, it's not always the best option in regards to some of my daily operations.

And during the day, it would be Microsoft Windows. I hear so much about Windows "is the best option" yet when I'm hearing this, I'm usually solving people's network problems.

But to me... it's just a tool. Apple is too small of a vendor to influence each and every aspect of computer based aspects and trends.

And the folks that follow each word that Steve Jobs,Torvalds or Ballmer say to the letter... they're sheep.

gerbick 2010-07-28 06:55

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
Then again... stories and quotes like this make it easy to hate:

Quote:

A new study confirms what we’ve all known from the start...iPad owners are selfish elites. Ouch, selfish elites? Okay, I admit that is a bit harsh, but not as harsh as this quote though:
"As a mainstream, closed-platform device whose major claim to fame is ease of use and sex appeal, the iPad is everything that they are not."

Read more here...

gerbick 2010-07-28 18:49

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
I tend to drift in and out of paying attention...

dscobsct 2010-07-28 19:16

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
has anyone used an ipad? its a lovely device, and does what it does supperbly well, but does not have the functionality im lookin for, thus i do not own it. simple as that
luckily for me there are other options available in this wonderful age of technological advancement. nuf said

gerbick 2010-07-28 19:28

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
It's decent. But I won't call it revolutionary. And the lack of multi-tasking and the iOS 4 update as well as video conferencing/IM are hindrances to me.

harp 2010-07-30 10:45

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
Imagine a PC OS where all you could do was pick one program to run from a list of programs. That's what I see the iPad as. Not for me. I don't hate it but I don't want it either.

cricker 2010-07-30 10:54

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by GameboyRMH (Post 766398)
http://www.wired.com/epicenter/2010/...ks-says-study/

I don't think the author understands why "independent geeks" don't like iPads. It's because they're locked down, they're bland appliances that are not to be tinkered with that seem to be owned more by the manufacturer than the end user, which is about the opposite of what we want in our devices. It's the same reason a car enthusiast would prefer a Lotus Exige to an R35 Nissan GTR.

I had an iPhone and over time became quite critical of it.

Still, the above quote is quite self-evident to me; it is about the same as stating that 95% of the most vocal critics of the Democratic party aren't Democrats. While a true enough statement, writing an article on the matter isn't exactly pushing journalistic excellence forward.

People join groups they agree with, and they buy products that they want to spend their money on.

daperl 2010-07-30 13:53

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
Hate implies emotion. I no longer hate Microsoft. I removed their desktop products from my daily life, and over time the hate just turned into indifference. I now try to use that general technique when ever possible, but so far I've been unsuccessful withTime Warner.

cheve 2010-07-30 17:22

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 767405)
I get what you guys are saying, but...

If the hate were based solely on stuff being shoved in your face, I'd almost be driven to a frothy mouthed madness pertaining Linux... and I'm a 14 year user. Each day "Linux can do this... Linux can cure cancer... Linux is the best for ALL OF YOUR USES..." whatnot when... in my case, it's not always the best option in regards to some of my daily operations....

At least fundamentally, there is really no limit to what Linux can do due to its openness whereas iXXX are pretty much "closed". Since iXXX is being pushed as the best things ever which can/will do all sort of wonderful thing; then it is unavoidable that some people would have the "hate" responses. You got some people would hate about anything without reasons or with agenda; but then that is life.

Cheers,

Father 2010-08-03 12:43

Re: Psychological evaluation of iPad bashers vs. fanboys
 
I didnt know the ipad didnt have a USB..thats ridiculous!? Hahaa gerbick, nice call on the Mel Gibson...keep those nutters in line!!!


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