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Oh what could have been

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-10947784

That vid actually makes me sick.

Full flash, and quite responsive, nice bit of press.
Notice the "full website not mobile version!" exclamation.

How anyone could say Nokia haven't dropped the ball on this, I don't know, Full flash video was a primary in my decision to purchase.

N900 is still a great phone, but could have been, should have been, so much better.

(I know someone will attack me for this post, but tell me that vid doesn't make you feel sick.)

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It's okay, though! I've been told that you can trick Flash 9.x on the N900 to identify itself as Flash 10.x, thereby letting stuff try to play/run. I can't help thinking someone at Nokia is muttering, "That should pacify you f***ers!"

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maybe its time to switch? :)

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It's a known fact that the N900 "could" be so much better with more Nokia support. But I still enjoy my phone to the max so I guess thats all that really matters to me.

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most people still using n900 is in denial. 6 more months n900 will be history. Even nokia have abandoned us from Day 1. I really hope meego succeed but it i doubt it. Once GingerBread comes out meego will REALLY need to out do it in terms of feature(s) and APPS. If the apps side suffers then it is all over...

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I don't get this infinite trumpeting of Google's Android as the hottest fuzz around. I for one find Android too limited and the vanilla Android UI to look boring as hell. This combined with devices not really matching my tastes (the physical qwerty slide-out keyboards being odd by norm), I for one can say that Android isn't for everyone!

Sure, I would like that Flash 10 support, but for me Flash10 is a minor deficit, because 99,7% of the web's content still plays on my N900 or am I wrong? Also, unlike Android, the MeeGo UI's we've seen so far have all looked better than vanilla Android UIs and the Nokia one looked better than any Sense UI I've ever seen. MeeGo just seems to pack the functionality and power of Maemo to go with the eyecandy and great expandibility.

So when I see this kind of raving about "Android this Android that therefore I'm such a sucker to have the N900" I must feel that we're sliding towards a "cultural degredation" in terms of having multiple OS's around. It's always about finding just one OS instead of liking many, and because Android is American it receives inherently more attention. God knows in Finland we trumpet Nokia's achievements like nobody else's (well we used to before it became hip to diss Nokia). This makes Android inherently the only viable OS in many (American blogger) people's minds.

Sorry didn't mean to fanboy rant here, as my next device will be MeeGo but not necessarily Nokia's MeeGo.

EDIT: And what's with the stutter in the videos in that demo!

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Saw the video first thing this morning, thanks to the rss feeder on my wonderful N900 :)

Typical bbc not doing their research properly

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yawn........

edit:
i watch full flash10 vids on my n900 via nitdroid on vimeo.com
(without any lag or problems)

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In 6 months we should have a fully functional NITDroid 2.2 :D

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need ginger bread or whatever biscuit type android 3 is... then when Sony release that gaming phonee we can pinch all the emulators WOOP! ;)

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Do you believe you will be allowed to install custom software on that thing? :>

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no apparently Sony are planning on selling psx and psp games for the phone... ;)

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No one in this thread has been trumpeting Android. It's just pretty clear that Android 2.2 implements Flash 10.1 fairly well, and in the face of press like this from the BBC, Nokia has clearly dropped the ball. It's nice to see Google seriously updating Android's featureset on phones after they've been out for more then six months. Owning a N900, it gets real stale hearing talk of unofficial N900 support for Meego coming soon... Can we hear just something about the operating system that is on our phones right now? It hasn't even been a year yet since the first device with Maemo 5 came out and Nokia's support seems nonexistent.

And "cultural degradation" of OS's? This cultural degredation is just the consumer moving on to the OS that gives them the features they want. That makes sense when you $500 for a phone, and then it loses support in six months. I cannot afford to love multiple OS's, it is too cost prohibitive. ;) And I am not about to complain how degradation is hurting Nokia. I'm quite sure the biggest phone company in the world can sort that problem out!

Is the whole "American" thing really that necessary? I got a N900 and I'm American, although maybe idealism got the best of me in that purchase... Android isn't just sold in America and I don't think the dude in the BBC video was American. :) Nokia sells everywhere too, but when you aren't competing feature wise with others then there is a problem. What is becoming apparent is Nokia's lack of support for Maemo. I love the community here, and it is nice to see how much you believe in the N900. I just don't like any giant corporation enough to ignore the inferior support given to this device when compared to the other big name players. They didn't give me this device for free. And in this deal, I'm starting to feel like I really was the sucker...

P.S. That stutter seemed to only be present when starting and zooming the video, the phone seems to be doing a very good job for it running out of the box. I can't just zoom around on the page with flash videos on the N900 without problems and that's with a 1.15 ghz overclock.

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YESSSSSSSSS :cool:

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Yes well this being at an enthusiast forum, usually people here have the capital to change devices once a year and often do so. That's why I think sometimes people take what's happened with the N900 too seriously. For some reason for most the only outlet is finding out stuff that they're missing on, such as Flash 10 on Android. Why not appreciate and get interested about every option, because after all, as consumers we have all the power over manufacturers in terms of which devices we buy.

I kind of regretted saying that because you could interpret that as a very anti-American statement. I didn't mean it that way, I'm sorry if anyone thinks that.

I was referring to the fact that there's a bit of a trend these days where American bloggers gather all the attention (for eg. Engadget), and in the US the history of mobiles is very different (shorter) than in Europe. Sometimes I feel that all present-day events are regarded as if mobile history begun with the Motorola Razr. This thought didn't have much to do with the video, as yes the BBC is British, but I felt that it was being regarded with that limited way of appreciating mobile history. I feel that in the big picture Flash 10 support is just a nigglet of a feature that's somewhat missing from the N900 now.

I think we should also recognize that it is most likely that this feature by the BBC was a "paid ad" by either Google or Adobe. It's always a trade of somesort if not paid, such as views for the BBC site if they do this coverage.

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and 99.7% of the webs video content, simply doesn't. and when it does, it looks like **** or stutters easily.

The vid in the link was smooth as silk after a few seconds, much better than the n900.

Remember nokia advertised the n900 as a phone which could seemlessly handle internet video.
It Can't.

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I agreed with you until... Recently, I've noticed videos in Facebook now refusing to play, saying "sorry, you must upgrade to a newer flash version", with a link to Adobe to get the upgrade.

The link doesn't lead to anything useful for the N900 of course... Unless maybe the Debian version of flash works with Easy Debian? :D

It's disappointing that videos on BBC iPlayer don't seem to play, even when downloaded separately with get-iplayer. But that's never really worked.

As a device marketed partly for it's video capabilities, the N900 is remarkably poor at it, and getting worse as the web moves on.

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The unit is very expensive. I expect for many here, it's too expensive to buy once per year.

Personally I can afford it - but my purchase cycle is about every 3 years. Just don't see why I should keep spending over and over on hardware just to get software updates, when the hardware I already own is perfectly good for it technically, and is only not getting the software because the manufacturer's business model is not in my interests.

Put another way: Why would a consumer throw a lot of money every year at a single manufacturer, when seeing that devices from other manufacturers get several years of active support, receiving most of the latest software toys during that time, making it much cheaper to keep up with the shiny stuff - and you get better shiny stuff anyway?

Most of the value as time progresses is in the software, not new hardware features at this time.

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This might be true for the PC market, but not (yet) for mobile market.

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But I thought the N900 was a pocket computer? Upgrades should be part of the computer philosophy, not just marketing terms to sell their product.

Computers are upgradeable typically.

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And how does this relate to my statement?

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What new hardware features do you think new phones will have over the next year that current ones do not?

What hardware capabilities will new software over the next two years depend on that aren't already standard fare?

A bit slimmer, a bit faster, and a bit more memory are all that comes to my mind.

Multi-touch, compass, GPS, HSPA, superb screen, accelerated 3D and video... all that was new but seems to be standard fare now.

My point, which I didn't say clearly, was I think the burst of new hardware features *which is relevant to what you do with the devices, which apps you can use etc* happened over the last few years and may have reached a plateau for a while, so that hardware improvements will be in specifications rather than features. I'm expecting the user-visible innovation to be in software from here for a couple of years.

But maybe I lack imagination. Do you think there are substantial imrovements in hardware that software to come soon will depend on?

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For once: Power.
Second: POWER.
N900 is heavily underpowered to current standards. That's why I replaced it.

In the future I foresee HDMI output as a standard. Better storage (something along SSD). Docking stations.

I wouldn't dream of features my mobile "phone" has today a year before, so it's hard to imagine the future. But the pace the mobile market moves this days surely left N900 far far behind. 2 years behind.

I am using a 3 years technology old laptop right now and it suits me just fine. But N900 is just lacking power and features so badly that it annoys me. Especially seeing the devices currently hitting the market.

I do agree that the development rate of mobile devices will slow down in the upcoming year or two. This will be the point to start demanding pure software upgrades. But for now, devices designed half a year distance are just a generation different. And there is no business in supporting last-year-model.

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As much as I hate to see the BBC fawning over iPhone and Android products they're correct when they say it's the first time full Flash has been made available on what they term a "mass sold device" - the N900 doesn't fall into the category of "mass sold", it was and is a niche product.

The thing I find most disturbing about the BBC coverage of mobile phones is that they completely ignore Symbian and Maemo/MeeGo, and of course Nokia. If there were any doubts about the relevance of Nokia and their products, just look at the BBC technology coverage - some may see the wall-to-wall coverage of Apple, Google, iPhone and Android as favouritism by the BBC but the reality is they're simply covering the technology that is making the news and the technology that is being bought by ordinary people, ie. they cover the technology that matters and from a news point of view Nokia is largely irrelevant these days.

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With the Streak's SnaapDragooon. You planning to slap FroYo on it aren't ya. :D

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When you said "It may be true for the PC market" I used that term in your statement, you know... the PC one... to mean personal computer.

And the advancements you were implying on the PC side should be applicable to the pocket PC, you know... the N900.

But they're not... are they?

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Again I don't see how your answer relates to my question.

1.
Me: There is still more value in hardware upgrades than software upgrades on the mobile platform.
You: But a pocket computer should be upgradable.

2.
Me: How your answer relate to my statement?
You: Some story what PC means with sarcasm between the lines.

I see no point in continuing this conversation, because we are clearly talking different languages.

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I am really looking forward to it. If only they can get 3g included soon, that will stop me into looking at android phones for now and just use that for the time being until gingerbread comes out.

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Those flash videos was stuttering a lot more than they do on my n900.. For a phone that is a year newer that is pretty bad ;)


<joking>

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well i guess people or developer are no anymore intersted in n900, to bad for i just baught this phone.

well i will just use for internet not for phone. for phone it become to complicated, for people like, example, my contatc list has my phone and my gmail, yahoo hotmail and skype people in one list, which make my list like 300 people, in which i have about 90 calling people and to seach those people give a hard time.

second thing i cant save list on my sim card.

i was think may be i will flash it anroid 2.2.

easy debrian is too slow and i dont want to over clock for that, i was think if we can install puppy linux via chroot. not a tech guy, i wish i knew most the stuff.

it been 4 month i since move to linux stuff, still in the learing stage.

well meego is no coming that is for sure.

when is maemo 6 coming? does anybody know

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i guess we can do 3g on n900 via third party application