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I noticed that a number of threads were closed lately and those of us who want to discuss Nitdroid are now forced to join and register for a site other than this one.

I don't remember this happening before. Can anyone have threads and use the same way to get users? For example, could Titan do that with the Overclocking thread?

I'm just trying to understand what's going on...

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The developers of Nitdroid requested that. And the reason is simple: maintain one thread in one forum is more easily than maintain dozens of threads.

And after all T.M.O. is for Maemo, and Nitdroid isn't Maemo.

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I joined the other forum. It isn't just one thread.

I knew the Maemo name change would eventually be used against us users.

Thanks for the response.

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So I suppose we will be visited often with updates that direct us to this commercial site?

Or will we only be visited when information is needed by them?

I wonder how that'll work out.

Um... this is kind o' weird.

A Council member just reported that this is a "Lame Duck" term. I think that if I read right, our DebMaster recently reported that he has already moved on to MeeGo.

3rd party commercial software developers like Sygic, SPB, and Instinctive are just starting to realize the value of having engaged users available 24/7 for testing and feedback. I hope this doesn't mean that it's last call around here.

If it is, will the last person to leave please turn out the lights. :mad:

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You continue to misconstrue what was meant despite two attempts at clarification. Repeating a misunderstanding doesn't make the wrong interpretation right. That's just pointless FUD.

As to thread closures: use Report Post to ask the moderator why he/she did so.

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Sygic, SPB, Instinctive and all other programs runs on Maemo, the operation system of the tablets.

Nitdroid is another operation system that runs in the tablets.

If I'm not wrong, this site is called Maemo.org.

What's the problem if the developers want to centralize the development messages about OTHER operation system in one place that they control?

Anything in T.M.O. turns into a rant and FUD or I'm so much stupid that I don't undestand?

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There is absolutely no problem with anyone wanting to manage a project at another site.

On the other hand, I do understand geneven's concern. There's no harm in discussing the project here, either. I avoided closing the thread for that reason.

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I always support closing a thread if the OP requests it.

Just My $0.02.

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I lean to that, sure, but not 100%. There are often mitigating circumstances. I think this could be one.

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Meh.. IMHO if there's another user still curious or willing to maintain whatever that OP was about.. they can make their own thread.

If the NitDroid people are moving on to the NitDroid area and will not be keeping up over here to answer NitDroid questions and they requested the close.. I see no problem there. Users would end up coming here asking questions and not getting answers because the dev's are elsewhere.

If geneven wants to start supporting people on NitDroid over here then that's totally up to him.. he can make his own NitDroid thread.. it's not like we have a finite number of threads we can make ;)..

(well.. ok.. TECHNICALLY there is.. but you get the point..)

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It just reduces confusion fatalsaint. If the core thread closes, there's also the possibility more than one person may open a new one.

Anyway this is neither crisis nor conspiracy, contrary to some opinions...

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True true.. i was talking more on a "general" overview not this specific one as a "crisis".. I was just using it as an example.

But I know that, (and I probably should do this), take pyPianobar for example.. I don't maintain it anymore (replaced by pyRadio). If I requested the thread to be closed .. but someone else still downloads/uses it and comes asking a question.. they would likely expect me to answer since I'm the OP and dev of the software. If that answer never came they could get frustrated, and would end up making their own thread anyway.

Closing it eliminates the middle section of getting angry and no response, IMHO. Also, bonus points if (as should be) the final post in the thread is a redirection to whatever that thread was about's new location.

In all cases... neither crisis nor conspiracy, as you say.

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i removed nitdroid because of it,
if you want to reply to my comment please join 'my' forum @.........

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I don't blame them though the noise has decreased here but they get probably more time doing something useful instead of answering million similar questions a day.

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This forum is going to become awfully quiet if every app discussion moves to its own separate forum. But I guess you'll say that NITDroid is not an app but an O/S... A fine line... A separate MeeGo forum? For other O/Ss and maybe emulators?

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it was a really bad decision of djsteve to close the thread cuz nitdroid is only on maemo.

without maemo there cant be nitdroid.
this is the maemo forum.

nitdroid is only available for n900 and n800/n810.

bad decision djsteve

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No rant or FUD here...

I just wanted to know what the distinction is in hopes that it wasn't a trend that ultimately slows or stops development of existing threads or more importantly, affects the decisions of the developers of even newer apps from participating in our forum.

The flip side of all the recent discussions about MeeGo and the N900 are the statements that the "N900 is a reference device" and "If it doesn't work on the reference device it isn't promoted within MeeGo" (or some such).

Because of this, I believe that if anyone developing for MeeGo that wants early access to a group of people for testing and feedback who already have these "reference devices" in hand, the forums at maemo.org are the place to go. (It is something I would like to promote at least among my small group of friends and colleagues.)
...that is, unless we indicate we will be turning off the lights soon. :)


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To all:
Prompting for clarification (IMHO) before rumors start is preventing FUD, not promoting it.

@ Textrat:
If you say I am "misleading", am motivated simply because I'm "picking fights", or even propose that I am a child molester or suttin' (which you did not, BTW, Thanks! :p ) and then close a thread before I can rebut as you recently did do in another discussion; then for some, I may be perceived as being just that.

However, I will not continue that discussion in another thread unless the statements that I quote (and can be easily referenced) are relevant in some way as I believed they were in my OP.

To be fair, I realize that it is difficult to maintain continuity in a discussion given the many hats you wear around here. It is equally difficult from a members standpoint.

I for one do not know if I am responding to a disgruntled forum participant (as we all can be sometimes :) ), a Forum Moderator (who I believe requires a higher level of regard because of the decisions they must make sometimes), or a Council Member who may or may not represent my views as a member of this organization.

Perhaps Council can prepare a "Best Guess statement" thread in the community section that will give all members a better "feeling" as to where Maemo.org will be in 3, 6, and 12 months from now.

I also realize that this may be difficult to do but I'm also thinkin' that overcoming that difficulty may be why some had called this the council term that may be the "most important" one. :)

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Difficult isn't strong enough. I wouldn't know where to start. But maybe other council members might.

As for the last statement, I'll give it one more shot: I believed when I ran this could be the most important term, hoped that we could have an impact and at the same time feared it could be a lame duck term. I'm just stumped as to why that has to be a point of any controversy. There is no conflict in any of those thoughts, and expressing one even in isolation does not negate or put a lie to the others.

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Err.. I'm not completly sure that's true. From what I've read on NITDroid it seems the only reliance on Maemo is for certain closed components that NITDroid still uses. And that reliance is decreasing as the team working on Meego continues to advance. For example, NITDroid got the cellular radio working (not for voice calls yet) because of the work being done on ofono for the vanilla Meego project on N900.

So it's more like NITDroid is dependent on the hardware (n800,n810, and N900) rather than the maemo OS.

My own personal viewpoint is that maemo.org is a dying project. Partially due to the noise to signal ratio. It gets tiring, I've stopped responding to most threads where people don't understand the idea of search. Heck I'm toying with just using the "LET ME GOOGLE THAT FOR YOU" approach. The NITdroid threads themselves were full of people asking the same bloody questions over and over.

Partially due to the fact that it's called maemo when maemo is declared a dead-end by Nokia. So in the future things will move to the Meego forums, or increasingly offsite to major projects like NITDroid as maemo is replaced with NITdroid installs or vanilla Meego installs.

While I believe that may have been true in the past. I think anyone who's actually interested in testing Meego or helping out with the project would be on Meego forums, IRC, mailing lists. Not on these forums anymore.

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Thread closures are of interest to everyone who was involved in reading or posting to a given thread. Therefore, communcations about them are more appropriately handled by public messages than private interchanges thru Report Post. Also, policy about closing threads should be a matter of shared principles, not the whim of some individual moderator. Closing a thread is a fairly dramatic way of making people shut up and should not be done lightly.

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I sympathize with your last statement.

But how many threads on thread closure do we need? This wasn't the first.

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And if that is the case then we should shut out the lights now. :eek:

However, I do not believe this to be the case.

I have always believed that engaged users willing to provide real time feedback is the value of this forum. It still can be.

The N900 may be a MeeGo reference device but it is not a MeeGo device by design.
The majority of maemo.org forum users now may not be so inclined to become involved in the proper QA process that MeeGo deserves. If history is a guide, most do not value or could care less about mailing lists and IRC.

I am also not sure at this point if meego.com/community is ready for, was designed for, or could even begin to cater to the needs of the many engaged users of the N900.

However, when I see Sygic, SPB, and Instinctive getting their toes wet in this forum I have to think that this is where the value in this forum lies.

A user group if you will, that can help facilitate 3rd party, QT app development for use on future MeeGo and Symbian devices. The benefits to an N900 owner are obvious and the benefits for Nokia are equally so.

Regarding when the lights go out:
The first thing I would think is obvious would be to find out how long Nokia plans to underwrite maemo.org and perhaps also develop a compelling reason why they should.

Regarding arguments over ancillary semantics that conveniently avoid the question:
From my past experience on these boards, I too have learned to wear different hats. Right now I'm wearing a snappy looking Pork Pie number that I like to call my "whatever dude" hat. :p

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I'd be happier if we left out the Symbian bit and stuck with Linux though. That's what this is all about really.

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However, the value to Nokia may be QT application development.

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to throw my tuppence in, rightly or wrongly i have never seen this place as an os specific website despite the obviouse web address but a community of other n900, n8x owners who have gone through the same pains, pleasures and life cycle as i....many more so, and i draw on there experience and thankfully many are happy to oblige

I see the recent fragmentation as a bad thing (at least for those device specific followers) and there has been a definite weighing to the side of the end is nigh even in the last week as many of the "heavywights" move on to other sites. i think the hey day of the community we once knew will soon be over as we all try to hunt for other sites full of noob n9 owners asking the same questions weve read a hundred times before and us n900 owners will be drowned out in the noise.

I would also say that the alternative os section is not just a place for us but for people like djsteve and the guys to draw on other people like mohammadag who are working to similar goals with other os's and i have seen evidence of this of this in the thread. Again by moving on they are reducing the chance of people with similar problems helping them find a solution.

i have had 2 bottles of wine and typing this in bed so forgive any grammatical or punctuation errors you happen to see :-)

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and just to tie up the relevance to the OP and to take us full circle, I think this increase in the end is nigh mentality where every "wer'e all doomed" post gets 3000 replies that ends in a ***** fest with no sign of abating brought on partially by this fragmentation rather than a centralised resource are the reason we are seeing an increase in closure of threads

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Guess I'm wearing the same hat, seeing as how the question was directly answered and no semantics were harmed in the typing of any posts.

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Well, this seemed to me worth discussing because it was a different KIND of thread closure. This wasn't a "come on guys, this is getting out of hand. I'm closing this thread!" kind of closure.

This was "for the convenience of this developer, we're closing all the threads on this topic" kind of closure. In other words, the users had not committed an offense of any kind, they were being kept from making further comments here because it suited some particular person's goal.

I long ago decided that the consistent principle at this site (and probably most others) is, "we, the powers that be, will do whatever we damn well feel like doing," and this showed that principle at work. I personally felt that in even questioning this closure, I was asking something that was "none of my business"! In other words, I should have accepted the fact that I was effectively barred from discussing something previously ok and should have just assumed that the moderator knew best.

I thought this was an interesting kind of reasoning.

Personally, I think the developers of Nitdroid are heroes, as are many developers here. But I don't think that mere users should allow themselves to be herded from here to there, mooing happily.

That's what happened when the ITT site was hijacked by the Maemo crowd (and note the fact that it is owned by the Maemo crowd was used as a rationale for removing the Nitdroid topic to another site), and what happened here seemed similar to me.

But, I won't be raising this issue again, I was just asking.

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While I don't think the thread should've been closed. It is kinda pointless to have a thread floating around if the developers working on the project aren't going be paying attention to it. I know we have a few people capable of answering questions about NITDroid that are active on the maemo.org forums, but it would eventually just turn into a full on repeating the same question over and over and over thread. And give the impression that the developers don't care or aren't active when in reality they just aren't focusing on that thread anymore.

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For the life of me I can't understand how anyone would come to that conclusion about this place.

If anything, it's closer to the polar opposite.

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@ geneven. Want to borrow my hat? :)

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I won't disagree. Frankly, the anarchy here and leniency shown still astounds me compared to every other forum with which I am familiar.