Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

This is a thread to list down on how better the N900 to the iphone4 (jailbreak) or what the N900 can do and the iphone 4 Jailbreak can't.

List me some good one so I can bring it up when the right time to use it. I believe other people would want to know as well.

My cousin owned an Iphone4 Jailed break and he said that who would use the FM Radio now a day? It's useless and very noisy, and most importantly it's an old Technology!! Why need FM when you can just stream off the Internet and play MP3?

He strictly said that Iphone4 is the best phone in the world, period. No other phone can ever compare with the mighty iPhone4.
And then he said the N900 is an old technology even the touch screen is crap comparing to his Retina screen.

Then he is on and on about the iMovie map tagging, HD bullcrap, hyping over his 3G connection is very fast.. The touch experience is amazing blah blah blah..

Retina screen enhancing the reading experience and iBook application is the best application ever. No other device out there can ever have this much clarity and elegance and even better than reading the real book.

It is hard to arguing with him when ever I said something he said do you have proof and do you have the reference?

So I should ask the community to give me some good run down of what the Jailbreak Iphone can't do and give me a strong point to shut those iSlave people off.

:)

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

I don't get why people feel the need to insult everyone else for not owning the same phone that they themselves do.

Be happy with what you have and just accept that people have different opinions.

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

Yeah that's what I said to him, and then he said oh is that meant you surrendered and admit that you're phone is gay?

I said "each individual buy a device that will meet their need of usage and expectation. If your device is the best then it may be not to me. To me I like an open device and freedom"

He said "Open but no applications, all your applications are ****."
He also said "Why would you need dual LED for camera? One LED is enough and even better than two for taking picture and video".

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

be the bigger man and tell him whatever helps him sleep at night.

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

your cousin is an idiot, don't stoop to his level. if you like n900 better that is all the reason you need.

if you need to measure yourself against him via purchases and equipment, well, that speaks to a serious shortcoming. grow a pair

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

Well, for one, your N900 has an antenna that works when you hold the phone :) ...

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

Anyone here know what is the LED flash spec on the Iphone 4? I'm trying to find a solid information so I can quote on that once day when he dissing the Dual LED

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

I live in an area where everyone and their grandmother owns an iPhone and a Mac (I can't count the times an iPhone user has looked at my clunky N900 and commented "you paid how much for that thing?! dude, mine only cost $199, and it does everything I need"). From daily observations at work and out at play, I'd venture out to say the average iPhone user doesn't really know, nor care, what his/her iPhone can or can't do. Trying to explain that FaceTime is an old invention, iPhone's multitasking still lags behind, or that most phones actually don't have the iPhone's antenna design flaw, is like telling a BMW owner his car isn't very fuel efficient. Moot point. Doesn't matter. To an iPhone owner, the iPhone is the ultimate phoning machine.

Us N900 users get wrapped around specs, hardware, open source this, overclocking that, meanwhile the iPhone user spends this time merrily listening to iTunes while browsing MyFace or Spacebook. And it seems they are typically happy with their iPhone/Pod/Mac product, because Apple does produce a well polished end-product.

But if you are in the niche market, like the guy running Linux servers and syncing his data by using Easy Debian, N900 might've been the only one around six months ago to get the job done. But based on your concern of trying one-up your cousin, I doubt you are that guy.

Enjoy your N900 in peace and quiet, let the mine vs. yours debate revolve around some more important subject than luxury electronic gadgets.

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

Well first of all lets get something straight, you and your cousin are comparing the iphone 4 (launched within the last 2 months) to the n900 (9-10 months old). I'm not saying the n900 is inferior or outdate, but It's not surprising if it were right?

be reasonable the n900 should be compared to the iphone 3gs if at all. And if that's the case, respectively the iphone 4 should be compared to the n9 when that's release soon, that's a much better comparison.

PRICE:
From where I am (asian community, in america) if you don't get a free phone (or subsidized phone), the dealers give you $450 in a mix of account credit and gift cards. pretty much you don't have to pay for a few months AND you get a few hundred in gift cards. I bought my n900 for $470 after a mix of rebates and amazon cashback, so do the math, it only cost me 20 bucks cause i didn't get a phone with the carrier.

FEATURE
I'm sure theres a lot of people going to comment on this post so i'll just post 1 thing that the iphone can't touch, is the web experience, you know
e.g. when you go to the webpage with the popup menus (lets take http://slickdeals.net/ for example) when you hover over the navigation menu at the top it gives you a drop down menu, well you could get the same menu in your n900 browser using the cursor, just like you can in your desktop.
some people don't think that's a big deal but sometimes I don't even know how to get where i'm going without using that feature. and it's even more evident when using it in a panable menu inside another panable menu

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

Does it really matter? Last I checked, there's more than one manufacturer for similar items out there for the simple reason that people should be free to choose whichever option they deem is a better fit for them.

In simpler terms, if he's happy with it. So be it. It's a good match for him. And vice versa.

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

WARNING: This debate is a perpetual vortex of ****. Step away and don't get sucketh into it.

Trespassers should be directed to the dozens of other previous threads like it and to participate there instead.

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

Well I no fan boy, but I'll list out the reasons why i did not buy the iphone.

No SD card support.

No multitasking.

No abdobe flash support.

Cant send files over bluetooth to other devices except for other apple products.

Can't use iphone as a pendrive/hardrive, the iphone restricts anything else from being placed on it except for mp3's or pictures.

Lack of support for other mp3 codecs. A 64kps .ogg file takes up half the space of an mp3 or aac file and has the same sound quality. For eg 6GB in mp3's or aac files would be 3GB If converted to 64kps ogg file.

Jail breaking voids warranty, or even worst, spoils the device.

Don't ever sit on that thing or drop it, it cracks quite easily.

When it comes down to it, all the iphone has going for it is...apps

I can hack my n900 make my own scripts etc etc...
I could go on but I'll stop right there....

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

So a 2010 Honda Civic is superior to a 1908 Model T Ford and a 2020 Honda Civic can't be any better? Interesting.

Slight exaggeration aside, the following is coming from someone who has never handled an N900 and who owns two iPod Touches (1g and 3g):

Nokia N900
+ FM Transmitter
+ IR Transmitter
+ Hardware Keyboard
+ Memory Card Slot
+ Kickstand
+ 2 stage (I think, see above) camera button
+ Removable battery
+ Fine point stylus compatible (a must for some people)
+ Flash support (until HTML5 has an official, or at least universally implemented, open-source video format, Flash is better)

iPhone 4
- Updates break jailbreak
- Tethered to iTunes (hard-locked until first sync. Also "syncing" is a bit of a misnomer here, if something isn't checked to sync for a particular syncing, but rechecked in the future, it doesn't sync, instead iTunes overwrites what's on the iPhone. Not what I would call "syncing")
- Ethical Issues (although it's possible that Nokia does something similar): With refunds, developers return 100% of the app's price, despite only having been paid 70%. Apple keeps the other 30%. Although that doesn't apply to jailbreak apps, obviously. And developers don't mind, apparently.
- Mobile Safari has difficulty not crashing.
- Although jailbreaking has been declared legal, Apple appears to be attempting to find another way to prevent/kill jailbreaking
- Based on how Apple treats them, Apple seems to believe that iOS users are criminals of limited intelligence that should be put in asylums under guard.

I think the big problem for a lot of people (at least for me) is simply the environment that Apple cultivates around iOS, as mentioned in the last point under iPhone 4. Keep in mind that if your cousin is incapable of comprehending that different people can have different wants/needs, then he is also incapable of making a valid argument.

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

Thanks guys! You all made me cheer up :D
Thank you, I just remember one thing that the Iphone 4 doesn't really have, a helpful nice and friendly community to help you out whenever you needing something to lend on.

Oh well, I think this is a wrapped :)

Let's get back to our community business shall we?

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

Iphone iOS4 vs maemo. Maemo still has a better, or much better web experience, and I'm not talking about flash (that it is a point, sure, but without it I would say the same).

However, indeed the maemo and the iOS4 are two systems though for different markets, that I would say compatibles. As a mobile, the iOS4 is fast, with the best display (iphone 4, not the 3gs), and provides key software, for instance maps. As a computer, the iOS4 fails. You need to follow the rules of apple, very difficult to handle files transfer as an example of how can the simplest thing be the more stupidly annoying thing. This is acceptable on a mobile, since you "use" the mobile not longer than 5-min sessions. But if you want to work for longer times, the iphone becomes frustrating.

Useless to say to somebody that uses the phone as a phone, of course. All things you say him to do, he'll answer he doesn't need them. And all things he says you to do, you'll see that the iphone does them better.

So, the best you can do, is to tell him you can use an entire linux there, openoffice, jdownloader, gimp, java, ... he can say it is useless in a mobile, but then you smile and answers, yes, the ferrari also has too many horses ...

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

LOL what a douche!!

I wouldn't hang out with him anymore!

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

Can anyone give me the iphone 4 deal in USA, UK and else where?
Like:
$199 for a something plan in USA blah..
Here in NZ everything so expensive. I'm thinking of join the plans just for the data plan but their plans is $40/month with only 250Mb, 30mins call, 300 text. Not enough and over priced

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

Get on your knees in front of him and start bowing while repeatedly chanting "Wooooaaaah, Jobsie Christ Superstar, the Second Messiah cometh, he saveth the World and taketh all our money."
And when he says YOU'RE embarrassing HIM, give him a Walkers crisp and a mint Tic-Tac and tell him to f**k off and feed the 5000. :D

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

lol put it this way. hes constantly trying to prove his phone is better than yours..when its not.
it just shows that he is insecure about it!
why dont you just ignore him and enjoy your phone?
or just shove the overclocking procedure or the nitdroid easy installation on his face?or best yet, just open up a site with flash in it..maybe a proper facebook profile, with a video link in it.(install the flash tweak on your phone and then do it though :P)
simple.
he will still try to prove that his phone is better, by saying "OH i dont NEED another OS, or overclocking for that matter, cuz it is AWESOME ANYWAYS!!AND WE DONT NEED FLASH BECAUSE...ITS GAY!"
this is when you walk away, with a smile on your face, KNOWING that youve won the argument, in style ;)

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

Lol that is emabarasing myself as well. I have dignity i'm not doing that lol. I would only go down on my knee to propose to my missus to marry me.

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

Actually I should have done that, FCUK! If only I post this earlier but next time I will lol.

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

haha, dont sweat it man..in the end, its not about proving him wrong, its about how happy YOU are with the phone..but if proving him wrong does the trick, go for it!
mind you, apple fanboys are fierce, let alone DUMB.
I have a friend who's trying to prove his iphone 3G is better than my n900.
But both of us know that we're just kidding around.
lol best part is, i showed him a live wallpaper, a live video wallpaper, and then the knight-rider keyboard effect, then the augmented reality app (JUST for fun, not at all pointing out how superior the phone is whatsoever. we both are tech savvy). and trust me, 1st he said it was SICK (as in amazing!)
then a few seconds later he said..im sure the iphone has all that too..
i just laughed my *** off.
i didnt respond to it at all.
then i thought, why let him be happy?
so i told him, first of all, YOU dont have a KEYBOARD!xD
it was really funny.
you shouldnt take the debate so seriously though, trust me, you wont be satisfied with your phone at all.
consider him a troll.
OR just download the qtirreco app and change the channel of HIS tv with your phone :P.
trust me, then he WILL stfu.
:P

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

cool, mind to create a deb file and upload it :D I like it!

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

Do it from somewhere he can't see you. Then when he's convinced his TV is shot and buys a new one, come clean. :D

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

this is kinda pointless, but first, you should just punch him in the face if he doesn't shut up, violence usually solve things quickly this way and is the only way if you can't get your message through peacefully. If that doesn't solve it, you need to punch him twice as hard, and make that double.


ANYWAY.......here's my unbiased opinion, as i own both phones. iPhone 4 (or any iPhone/iPod Touch) are really great for the applications. They truly are. It's almost taken as a fact, regardless of how much of a hater or critic you are, most people have to agree with this. The phone market is pretty much dominated by iPhone because of the amount of apps you can buy from the App Store (not to even mention you can pirate them, as well as getting even more apps from Cydia after you jailbroken it, along with all the sources and repos). Hell, i have around 50GB+ worth of iPhone apps/games and don't even use or know 1/4 of them, i just let them sit there on my hardrive lol.

Anyway, my point being is that this is what the iPhone is dominant in. That's about the only thing they're good at. On the other hand, the N900 is a beast. It can actually multi-task properly, and it took Apple finally let users do that on the iPhone 4. If you don't count jailbreaking to get multi-tasking enabled on the iPod Touch or the older iPhones, then yes it took them 3 years to introduce multi-tasking, which is still ****.

The N900 has no limits. It's open source and you can hack/tweak/customize it to the max. You can overclock it up to 1GHZ, and apparently up to 1.7GHZ (search it on Google, i think it's true but it might be fake, there's a pic so u can see for urself). The N900 has a great keyboard, and probably the best mobile browser there is, with flash (no 10.1 yet but at least there's flash).

Txting on the N900 is wonderful to me as personally, i love the way it looks and the way you can simply login to ur MSN or other services etc. Also, it's great at backing up your entire phone. Sure, it doesn't actually backup the downloaded apps from your application list, but when i first used it, it WOW'ed me because I've never had such ease restoring my backups and configurations from all the different types of phones i've used.

Lastly, it has 32GB of internal storage, and you can still expand it. And what's awesome about this is i only bought this for $600 NZD. A brand new iPhone 4, or even an iPhone 3GS costs about $1200+ NZD so that's how big of the difference there is.



Now, there're several points i wanna make here. The reason why i prefer the N900 is because i only go for phones with a hardware keyboard. I used to own the HTC Touch Pro and HTC Touch Pro 2, i also installed custom roms onto them as well and tweaked them to the max. But they weren't good enough for me, so i found the N900 and loved it ever since. It looks sexy as well so that's why i like it. It's one of the best looking phones on the market with a hardware keyboard. I hate touch typing so that's y iPhones will never work for me.

However, i must admit. The support for Maemo sucks. It's been almost a year since N900 was first launched. The OVI store is pathetic. The App Manager consists of 95% of apps that are still in beta or testing, and not fully developed. It's Open Source, yet not much is going on for it. Many ppl have left this community and dropped their N900 for something else.

The truth is, i'm not even sure how long the N900 will last, it's not doing too well and that's a fact. I've used many phones platforms before, such as Symbian, UIQ3, Android, iPod Touch, Maemo, Windows Mobile, and they all have fairly good support but Maemo seems to be the worse. I know it's new, but heck it's doing really **** to be honest.


Anyway, just tell your cousin that at least your N900 doesn't get the Grip of Death. And if ur still unhappy, get an iPod Touch, it's worth it. It only costs $240 NZD (brand new) and i can do everything the iPhone can, except for txting and calling. But ya, both of these still cost WAY less than buying just one iPhone 4 in NZ, so ya.




EDIT:

Or, you could try to brick his iPhone....or just update his phone to the latest firmware, so he can't jailbreak or downgrade it, unless he saved the SHSH blobs which i doubt he did.

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

I didn't know I could have sex with my n900. I bet he can't do that with his phone! But he does seem a bit of a wanker!

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

@chaoscreater,
Cheer bro, Yeah about bricking his phone, or updating it lol I almost did but i have sympathy for him. To be honest I'm the one who lined up to get his iphone 4 for him. He can't get it in Auckland so I got it for him after work. And yet after he got it he became a bit of a brain washed idiot. He is highly intellegent and and he is my cousin lol If I break his phone then he'll buggering me to pay for it. So I guess I just be happy and let him win. Like budha said "Winning or losing, does it matter?, Rather lose and became like a god better than Winning became like a satin"

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

TBH, Iphone 4 looks sexy as hell.....it's a match for the N900 so i wouldn't really count that out. Just being unbiased is all.



WOW cool u live in NZ too?? Haha i live in Auckland as well :)

Well, now u learned a lesson. Don't waste ur time lining up to buy this for him if this is the kinda treatment he gives ya. Did u even charge him money to do this for him?? Lining up isn't fun ya know....especially the shitty weather we get these days........just curious, did u get it from the Apple Store in New Market?? That's the only one i know lol.


But ya, if i were u, i wouldn't mind buying this for my cousin, or for anyone else for that matter. But if he's being a prick about it, i'd say u use force on him lol. Or maybe scratch his screen or something, after all, that's the only usable part on any iDevice....


NO WAIT, i got a better idea!! Drip some water into the earphone hole, that will DEFINITELY brick his iPhone! And he'll never know! You can do it anywhere with water, so he can't accuse you of bricking the phone because u'd have to use a computer to do it with the iPhone connected, which is risky anyway.

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

I think, put simply, that you have to jailbreak the iPhone 4? You shouldn't have to hack a device to do all this stuff. Pretty useless arguement if you ask me. 'Hey, look at all this neat stuff I can do' yeah, but, it didn't come like that, you had to manipulate the software to do all these wonderful things. Nokia n900 is a great phone, and the iphone browser displays most of the time a mobile version of the site, whereas micro b displays it in it's desktop goodness.

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

lol I'm not that evil. But if he leaves me no choice then I might. I'll take the evil spirit that possessed him.
Nah I lined up in Chartwell Hamilton. Auckland ran out of it lol they only got like 56Units each qualified store and Hamilton got about 36Units each store..Oh well, I don't want to be like him. I was planing on getting the White one next year if N9 = failure! But now I'll wait for something else. May be Droid or N9 but I'm trying my best to avoid Nokia for the time being.

WIthout this community Nokia N900 would have been long dead, I've been here since launched lol. Got it since the first batch as well. Used it for over 9months.

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

Easy...Just take both devices and drop them from one meter. If they still work, drop them again until one of them don't work anymore. I'm sure it's not your n900 mate. what more do you need?

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

Hahah I'll say this to him next time. Then smile :D

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

it doesn't matter what we do to any device or system, as long as it has the potential and achieves more features and better usage, that's all that matters. Hell, N900 is open source and we still have nothing on the market. OVI Store is pathetic and look at this community, it's mostly about adding new features and tweaks to the phone to make it better, isn't that the same thing?? Installing custom power kernels so we can overclock?? Installing fmms so we can send MMS??

Not to mention we still have shitty firmware updates that haven't addressed most of the issues yet, but at least the iPhones r stable. Also, jailbreaking is now legal, so whocares if we have to jailbreak, it takes literally 1 minute. Hell, u don't even need a PC to jailbreak it, people have been going to the Apple Store and jailbreak the iPhones on display through internet connection, search on Youtube if u dun believe me. It's on the news as well. Jailbreaking is as simple as pressing a button, it's so easy it probably finishes faster than booting up a computer.

And regardless of whether it comes like that, the apps for it are still way more than enough. It's pretty ironic how Apple puts so much limitation to their products, and treat every one of its users like idiots and gives them so much blocked access, and yet we get more usage on them, whereas compared to N900's open source, where the hell is the open source?? Many ppl have been saying the same thing i have and have left the N900.

TBH, i use my iPod Touch more than my N900 for apps/games. It's good enough doing what it does, and that's all that matters. Just being unbiased here.

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

A thread like this makes me realise what a dreadful invention clothes are. Without them, these guys could just settle the argument the old-fashioned way with a tape measure.

Tell your cousin his desperate need to prove he has the superior phone is clearly due to compensation for his deeply felt inadequacies, and you don't suffer such lack. Walk away. Next time he starts stare pointedly at his crotch. Argument over.

Then go and enjoy whichever device you chose as the correct one for you.

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

This one is so easy. I get attacked like this all the time from your typical rabid Apple fanboys.

"If you don't know why the n900 is better than the iPhone, then for you, it isn't."

It's honest, straightforward, and a little condescending. Which they hate. :)

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

Your warranty isn't invalidated once Apple implements their call home checks for jailbreaking.

Technically your warranty for Android and iPhone are invalidated once you root or jailbreak. The way to get around that is restore to normal before sending it in or getting someone to look at it. The above would be a way to combat that.

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

do people really care about warranty these days?? I don't even need warranty or buy extended warranty, average users or even a kid that takes care of their devices won't need it, hell, i have an old W950i phone from 6 years ago, it's got so many dents and scratches on it and it still works fine. I use it every now and then when my N900 runs out of battery and that i forget to bring a backup one.



Ahh ic ic.....how come u said u bought it in Auckland for him??

Anyway, u should go for the HTC Touch EVO 4G, it's super awesome compared to the iPhone. On top of that, you can dual boot Windows Mobile and Android, so that's a plus. The Android market or app store is pretty popular now as well, it's doing just as good as the App Store for iPhone, and if u know where to look, u can always get free apps :)

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

The Droids for me is the last resort.
I love Maemo so much that I would want to mate with it. lol.
Droid I can't even simply hack the system fonts or do anything. Iphone is out of the question since there is no homescreens for my customisations.
The Iphone4 multitasking is just rubish compairing to N900 just the N900 got an old slow processor and Low in RAM otherwise this would be the best hacker device ever.

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

I am so going to wish that Apple would find a way to contain the iPhone from reflashing or even put a log file into the system somewhere that it can be detected by the iTunes and instantly disqualified the device from updating to the latest update and warranty.

But sound like impossible lol.

Re: Can anyone give me good points of N900 over iphone 4 (jailbreak)
 

Yes people really care about warranty these days. You may not think you need it, but once your device breaks you'll wish you did.


With Apple, warranties are pretty much your only chance in getting the device fixed if something happens to it.

IE: glass screen crack cause you drop it
IE: battery problems (can't replace the battery yourself)

And considering the N900 has a faulty USB port that can come out, I say a warranty is pretty useful.

Err it's not impossible, and I think Apple has been working on it. Hence my earlier post.

Since the DMCA ruling in America, Apple can't argue that jailbreaking is breaking DRM (and hence illegal). Though it's still illegal from breaking a contract. And just cause there's a DMCA exception, it doesn't mean they have to fufill the warranty for a device that has been voided (due to jailbreaking).

Anyway, even the call home functionality will be stopped, but then Apple will update it, or add another hidden method that people won't find out until it's too late. All it takes is one phone call home to invalidate the warranty (and I think the devices are already checked in Apple stores since you can't get an iPhone repaired that has been reported stolen).