Iphone4 vs Htc Desire vs Nokia N900
 

Currently looking out for these 3 phones.. Feedback and comments welcome May be buying one of them at the end of the year.. ( A sidenote: Are the apps on maemo.org and repositories free or payable ? )

Iphone 4

pros:

user friendly OS
Trendy ? lol debatable
huge app store
Brightest screen of all

cons:

Situational problems when syncing with itunes
Comparatively slower web browsing compared with Android and Maemo browsers
No flash support - Must use 3rd party app Frash ?
Cannot multitask properly - Only apps verified by apple are allowed
No FM radio support

HTC desire

pros:

User friendly OS coupled with HTC Sense
1ghz Snapdragon processor with integrated GPU

Cons:
Poor internal phone memory ( and all downloaded apps automatically stored there )
Must install 3rd-party app to transfer apps to MicroSD
Lack support for most video formats

Nokia N900

Pros:

Hacker friendly OS (Maemo).. albeit not as user-friendly ( for eg: dual boot OS )
Only phone that natively supports Flash
Active Maemo community
Dedicated GPU
Qwerty keyboard
Internet browsing as you see it on your computer
Vey excellent mutli-tasking capabilites

Cons:
Bulky
Resisitive touchscreen ? ( i dun mind it, but it may for some ppl ? )
Camera not up to standard despite 5MP
No MMS support ( only thru 3rd-party app )
Can only be bought thru Nokia store = very expensive =.=
Nokia may not give full support to Maemo platform in the long term
600 mHZ processor as compared to the above phones.. but able to be overclocked to 1.1 GHz.. at own risk though

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Ebay. You can get one for US$300 or so.

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i am not sure about the rest, but these three below:
Camera -> i am satisfied with it, went holiday once with it and took almost the same amount of pictures as with my DSLR. guess why.

source for purchase -> i think you can buy in many stores, even at Amazon. depends on which country you're in... in Europe this is not true.

600Mhz -> never a problem as long as it does its job well. no use if sluggish if you have 2Ghz running.

just my 2 cents.

wahlau.

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Although I love my N900, I don't recommend it to my friends anymore unless they really want HW keyboard and are really geeky or want such geeky device and don't care about the lack of commercial apps or games.

I recommend Samsung Galaxy S over iPhone4 or Desire also.
2 of my friends have it and it's fantastic. Overall, it's the best Android phone currently out imo.
http://www.gsmarena.com/samsung_i900...review-500.php

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yeah, sure... but then please list "cannot dual boot" among the cons for the other phones.

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nobody ever answered his question lol.

Yes, the apps are free, the only paid ones are in the "OVI Store", but the ones in the App Manager are all free. However, 95% of them are still in beta or in testing, so it's not fully developed, you can still use them though but ya, not many are very useful compared to the amount of crap u can get from the App Store.


One of the other con for N900 is that it drains the battery really quickly. Also, 600Mhz is actually slow, you'll notice this if you run a lot of stuff like i do. So you'd find that you'd still have to overclock to 1GHZ just to run most apps in multi-tasking without lag.

The support for it is quite poor too so only go for it if you REALLY like the phone. I only like it coz of the hardware keyboard, as i only use phones with a keyboard.



It really depends on what you use your phone for. If you want to use tons of apps or games, go with the iPhone. Otherwise, get the N900. Alternatively, you can get the Nexus One. HTC Desire is old already, so get Nexus One if you have the money.

Or, get the N900 and an iPod Touch like me, so you get the best of both from both worlds. Only difference between the iTouch and iPhone is you can't txt and call, but everything else is the same.

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Oh.. may consider that. But my worry is that some apps/functions will be suited to the US instead ? Or is my worry unfounded ?


I see.. yeah for the camera part it depends on individual i guess :rolleyes:

Yup agreed.. i just added the 600mhz processor as a comparision to the other 2 phones.

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If you have not been able to find the info on the N900 you´re asking for, I would strongly recommend you NOT to buy an N900. It´s meant for people that know their way around the internet and do research after which they fix issues themselves. Can´t get through to the basics, for instance the question whether the repo´s are for free or paid? Stay away from it for it will probably cause you nothing but grief.

It is a nice machine though and I wouldn´t trade it for anything else atm.

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to be honest, the camera isn't that good. I dunno how good it is compared to the iPhone's camera, but it's not as good as i had hoped.

I had a HTC Touch Pro with only a 3.2MP camera. But it's one of the BEST camera's i ever used on a phone. The quality is incredible, and i'm not exaggerating or making **** up by even a bit, i'm a camera geek and work with some photography shoots and i'm telling ya, the camera on that phone is AWESOME. I can take a picture of a car from a 3 story building, and the quality and zoom is so great that i can see the license plate clearly. Don't believe me? I'll upload a pic later for reference if you want, but it's just awesome.

On the other hand, N900's 5MP camera sucks balls, it really does.


And no, there's no country limitation to the apps you use, it's global. It's not like the App Store when you get certain app restrictions for certain countries (it doesn't matter anyway coz if u jailbreak it or pirate apps/games, it won't affect ya).

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Noted ~ thx for the info :D

I am just concerned about the limited multitasking capabilities of the iphone 4.. as i usually run more than 1 app at a time.

Btw,if i aint really a geek (not really able to code software and stuff, just knowing how to download user-created apps), is it still fine for me to buy a N900?

I've thought of that before..but i have no budget at the moment for both a phone and an ipod touch :( .

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Yeah i guess that was rather lame to ask such a question.. i just thought of that while typing this thread.. and thought there was no harm asking :o .

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i wouldnt recommend the n900,lots of problem around nokia support and very little apps.

the desire with the new update allows you to put apps on the sd card. but as it is so new it will take some time for developers to configure thier apps to be able to transfer them to the sd card

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Ya, totally. The guy that told you that you'd have to be a geek to use the N900 (or something like that) isn't right at all. U don't. Of COURSE u DON'T need to learn how to code to use the phone, all its basic functions are there and u'll have no problem using it. It's just like using any other phone. The problem is, is that the phone itself is not fully developed/completed. You should do more research on this, but basically N900 uses the operating system called Maemo 5, and it's not the end-of-the-line product.

Basically, it's like saying Windows Vista is a total piece of crap, but Windows 7 is awesome. If you understand this, then it's the same thing. Windows 7 is basically the completed version of Windows Vista. But they still released Vista despite it being a total crap, that's a total different discussion from a business's standpoint but anyway, it's not a completed product.

Maemo 5 is the same, it's not crap, but it's certainly not the finished product. The finished product will be called Meego (Maemo 6). Maybe i'm wrong, apparently some people said that the final product will be Maemo 7 or something, but anyway it's a fact that Maemo 5 isn't finished, and so there're still some firmware updates that are needed to address some of the major problems of this phone. Of course, it's still very much usable, just that Nokia dropped the majority of support for this phone and will only be concentrating on Meego now.


So if you don't mind this, get it. Otherwise, don't. Iphone has much better support, even from warez forums themselves. Also, jailbreaking unlocks more potential on the iPhone, you can install tweaks to multi-task even better on the iPhone, so you can run more than 1 app of course, and definitely run 3rd party apps in multi-tasking as well. Hell, i can do this on my iPod Touch (jailbroken) and it multi-tasks better than all my other friend's iPhone, which are not jailbroken.


Anyway, most ppl are here are pros in fixing a few issues with the phone and adding new features/tweaks to it. You don't have to be like them, but it's easy to follow their instructions to apply those things to your phone.



But it's better if you list the exact features that you use your phone for, this way others can give you a better advice. Personally, i suggest you get the iPhone 4, or even an Android like the HTC Evo 4G, or Nexus One. If you're really REALLY low on budget, get a Windows Mobile like the HTC Touch Pro 2, the support for Windows Mobile is still far better than Maemo (N900).

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I would vote for iphone4 but after it turned my cousin to be a denial dickhead****tard the moment he is holding this forbidden iSatin4, after that I've changed my mind to vote on my N900 instead.

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Oh oh.. i was just worried that i will be "lost in the wilderness" if i am not into geeky stuff. thx for clarifying..

I read Meego isnt officially supported by Nokia for the N900.. it is community-based. Of course i believe the active community here will do a good job, but wouldnt it be nice for Nokia to support it ?:(

What i want from a phone: ( a rough guideline ? )

Music and videos
Internet browsing
multi-tasking ( i usually open at least 4 apps on my N86 currently )
Gaming

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I´d say that the few minutes you took to write that post including that "lame question" (quote) could have been used to fire up google or use the sesrch engine on this site. It´s exactly the reason why I would NOT advice you to get an N900. It is beyond my comprehension why you´d post a question you yourself consider to be lame despite of having thought about not doing so.

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Okay chill. Peace. I let that moment of laziness overcome me and it resulted in inefficiency ..

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ya that's what i mean by Nokia dropping the majority of its support for N900. They 99% most likely won't release Meego on it. They did announce they WON'T be releasing Meego for it, and apparently ppl said they changed their mind again, i'm not so sure but as far as i know, it's not confirmed atm and i'm assuming most likely not. You can only ever get so far with a community like this, we'll see how long we can survive but after using so many different phones for so long, i have a feeling that it's not gonna do too well, at least it's not gonna show any major development growth or improvement. Hell, when i was still using my Sony Ericsson W950i running UIQ3, i went through the entire 2 years watching it die. I tweaked that phone to the max, hacked it so much, and seen so many users left it. Eventually, SE sold the license or dropped it, and now it's open source but practically dead. The community still lingers on till this day, with 4 or 5 members left. That was 3 years ago btw, it's probably fully dead by now lol.


Well, u really can't use N900 for music, it dies too quickly. In fact, u can't use it much for almost everything. It's a powerful phone, but the battery life seriously dies too fukn quickly. I don't use it for anything other than txting. Otherwise it drains battery too quickly and i have to charge it often. That's y i use my iPod Touch as well, i listen to music for the whole day and never turned it off during the night, and continue the same thing the next day and charge it finally at night, so i can use it for a long time at least. Gaming on iPod Touch is decent as well, doesn't drain battery that fast and i can play 4 hrs straight on games such as Chaos Rings, which is quite intensive usage with great graphics.

Gaming on the other hand for N900, there aren't many good ones. I still think iPhone is more suitable for you based on your requirements.

4 apps should run fine in multi-tasking on iPhone 4 if u jailbreak it, and jailbreaking is legal now anyway so why not?? The only good ever comes out from the iPhone is by jailbreaking anyway so there's a 100% chance and perfect good reason y u should, no point not to do it so u'd definitely end up doing it anyway.




he at least provided a list of pros and cons from each phone, and u on the other hand just troll. I get ur point of view, but at least his post isn't as useless as 99% of the other ones where they literally didn't do any research before posting a question. If u dun wanna help, that's fine, but ur contributing unnecessary comments that just mark as spam.




Ya, one other thing i forgot to mention, this community usually consists of people that are pretty sarcastic and aggressive or just unhelpful. Not targeting at anyone in general as i myself sometimes do that, but not to the extent that some others go for. When i first joined, i received tons of crappy help and useless comments, even though my question was a legit one asking for help on my bricked N900 (and i did do my research).


To be honest, getting good help on this community is quite hard, at least for me anyway. There're tons of documentations and wiki to read so that's good, but really, those are a pain in the ***. I consider myself a heavy power user, i do tons of forum searching and Google searching and it's really painful, tiring and annoying to read documents and piles of paragraphs of text just to find a few answers here and there........unlike getting help at other communities like XDA Developer (for Windows Mobile or Google Android) or any of the warez forums for Iphone.

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I own both the N900 and the Desire, while my missus has an iPhone 3GS (not quite an iPhone 4, but useful for comparison). If I had to choose between the three I would choose the N900. I'm not a gek to the extent that I'm a programmer or anything, but I'm a big retro gamer and nothing has ever satisfied me for retro gaming the way the N900 does. The cmera is not that bad, however I must admit I found the camera in the N95 8GB to be better, but it's not as awful as the Desire's camera. The sound in the Desire is also absolutely awful. HTC Sense is fantastic though and the screen is brighter than the N900, however if you look closely enough you can see how pixellated it is. The iPhone is easy to use and has great sound qualities and thats about it. Browsing can be annoying on it tooThere is a huge number of apps but most are pretty useless.

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I have both HTC Desire and N900.
The desire is my everyday "phone" and the N900 is basically used for web browsing and emails when I'm front of the TV at night and couldn't be arsed getting off the couch and walking onto the study.

I used the N900 as my primary device for @ 2-3 months before getting fed up with the blank screen/fail to unlock/fail to answer incoming calls bug and switching to the Desire.

The h/w keyboard on the N900 rocks and bar a few dodgy ones, most of the apps in the repos (even devel and testing) are quite stable. In my opinion the battery is fine for general use, including music, web surfing and watching vids. I'd suggest that many who complain about the battery life, have a ton of not so good apps sucking the life out of it!

If your one of the many r-tards that get on this forum and piss and cry about not having 50 gazillion apps like the I-moan, then the N900 is not for you. As a converged device it's fine, just remember, even Nokia said, it's a MID with a phone, not a smart phone..... big difference.

The Desire is stable, easy to use and offers a good smart phone alternative. I wouldn't suggest the I-victim (3 or 4) just because it's a VERY AVERAGE device which has been subjected to some VERY AWESOME marketing. nuff said

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As with the lack of initiative you showed, it´s probably wise to not make assumptions about whether I am not chilled or on a warpath. I posted my opinion and you answered with a statement closed by a grin which tells me you don´t mind wasting other peoples´ time.

Your question has been posted and answered on this forum over and over again, by people that had grown old on this forum way before I even registered. I´d say it´s common courtesy to put some effort into trying and answering those questions yourself, which was the hint I was trying to give you. Apparantly you have difficulties recognizing a hint, which just adds another reason to the list for not buying the N900.

In short: it´s not just a concern of you getting the wrong device but also a matter of this forum suffering fatique as a result of this kind of threads being opened over and over again.

I guess now it´s time for me to look at MohammedAG´s fix for pulseaudio, which, when being used out of the box, does not work very well, despite what non-tech people may tell you about the device...

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WOW, ur N900 must be the one and only, super-awesome-and-unique limited edition, signed by the NOKIA development team.

The majority of the users, including me, have problems with this phone's battery life. If urs can listen to music, browse web (using WIFI) and even watch videos, and still manage to last for more than a day or 2, then god damn, i'm gonna steal urs.


And refrain urself from being too sarcastic. We don't need 5 bijillion useless apps, but having some majority of good ones will be nice. What the hell do we have in the OVI Store?? And what the hell do we actually have without enable the Extra Testing/Devels repo?? Nothing much really. Having a list of decent games would be nice, sure we can do without another iFart apps or similar ones like those, but there're more to it in the AppStore than you think. The fact that there isn't even one useless app like iFart for the N900, just goes to prove and show how even lack of support and development there is.

It's open source, yet many complain there isn't anything. There's a reason for that. Maybe u've been living under a rock and maybe u just dun care and ur plain rich, but this phone aint cheap, it's rather expensive. After almost 1 year since its launch, and we still have jackshit. The firmware updates are slow and we still have problems with it. Hence the majority of topics on this forum.


Sure it's not a phone, it's more of a mini super computer. But it's not doing what it should be doing well in either. Come on, face it, what are we really getting out of from this baby?? It has all the potential, yet i see none. Sure i'm complaining a bit here, but some people aren't being realistic anymore. I'm still learning how to code to write my own apps for it, but after using it for 4 months, i'm slowly loosing interest.

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n900 is an internet tablet so i wont recomend it as a phone, but i will to recommend the iphone 4 :)

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lol.

Anyway, my battery works fine. It can last me 7am - 6pm with the screen on quite a lot(texting), occasional 10 minute phone call and some light browsing on wifi (an hour or so) and 2-3 hours of music.

I guess I have a "super-awesome-and-unique-limited edition-signed by the Nokia development team" N900 too.