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railroadmaster 2010-08-22 17:18

Why MeeGo (On the Netbook and Tablet) Will Succeed Where Other Linux Distributions Have Failed
 
1. Backed by big players like Nokia and Intel. In the past smaller companies who really didn't know how to push other distributions of Linux and failed to get manufacturer adoption they needed. Intel would be large enough to convince pc manufacturers to make MeeGo netbooks and tablets.
2. Microsoft has crippled the Netbook/Tablet by only allowing manufacturers to use single core processors on Windows 7 starter edition. Under MeeGo processors such as the Intel atom would be free to grow in power and would allow faster multi-core processors.
3. Presents a unique user experience much different than the desktop and taskbar based one we have had for years.
4. Ok this is a big one user experience the user experience of MeeGo has a much shorter learning curve than other distros of Linux and it seems that there wouldn't be a huge amount of command line also something that has scared users away in the past.
5. Windows has become too slow and too large for netbooks/tablets and we are starting to see a large amount of Android netbooks/tablets but the problem with Android is Google doesn't want Android to be on devices other than phones and Android doesn't provide enough for desktop computing.
Ok so what do you guys think?

Jack6428 2010-08-22 17:35

Re: Why MeeGo (On the Netbook and Tablet) Will Succeed Where Other Linux Distributions Have Failed
 
Becuase it is organized and pretty (tablet).

ysss 2010-08-22 17:44

Re: Why MeeGo (On the Netbook and Tablet) Will Succeed Where Other Linux Distributions Have Failed
 
Apps apps apps...

Texrat 2010-08-22 18:02

Re: Why MeeGo (On the Netbook and Tablet) Will Succeed Where Other Linux Distributions Have Failed
 
Poll lacks my selection: MeeGo COULD be a huge success but only with the right push

mikecomputing 2010-08-22 18:48

Re: Why MeeGo (On the Netbook and Tablet) Will Succeed Where Other Linux Distributions Have Failed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Texrat (Post 795117)
Poll lacks my selection: MeeGo COULD be a huge success but only with the right push

It will not succed if the HW manufactors doesnt release Meego based HW this year. For example: Right now I want to buy an tablet or an netbook with atleast a linux dist like ubuntu or even better meego, but there is only windows laptops/netbook in my country and that make me sick. :-(

Just google on Tablet or netbook and Meego/Ubuntu and you all see what I mean.

Now one so far has an Meego tablet ongoing? Instead I have seen alot of Android/WinCE och Windows7 tablets/netbooks :-(

It looks like were back in same **** as before. Microsoft and now Google takes over and only some techical geeks want Meego and fully Linux.

It will it never change :-/ So sick of it.

Btw I am not sure that even Nokia will use Meego in the future as a main OS. Maybe they will release one or two cpomputerphones for geeks, and then go back to S^4 as main OS...

I really hope I am wrong in this but if Intel, Nokia shall succed they must be release something NOW.

TheTree 2010-08-22 19:26

Re: Why MeeGo (On the Netbook and Tablet) Will Succeed Where Other Linux Distributions Have Failed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by railroadmaster (Post 795088)
2. Microsoft has crippled the Netbook/Tablet by only allowing manufacturers to use single core processors on Windows 7 starter edition. Under MeeGo processors such as the Intel atom would be free to grow in power and would allow faster multi-core processors.

Methinks you're confusing Microsoft and Windows 7 with Intel and power consumption in regards to the Atom cpus.

Quote:

All 32-bit versions of Windows 7 can support up to 32 processor cores, while 64‑bit versions can support up to 256 processor cores.
There actually are some dual core Atom cpus, however they're intended for nettops rather than netbooks or tablets because of power consumption.

Although MS did refuse to sell XP on anything with more than 1 GB of RAM and 160 GB HDD.

railroadmaster 2010-08-22 20:08

Re: Why MeeGo (On the Netbook and Tablet) Will Succeed Where Other Linux Distributions Have Failed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 795150)
It will not succed if the HW manufactors doesnt release Meego based HW this year. For example: Right now I want to buy an tablet or an netbook with atleast a linux dist like ubuntu or even better meego, but there is only windows laptops/netbook in my country and that make me sick. :-(

Just google on Tablet or netbook and Meego/Ubuntu and you all see what I mean.

Now one so far has an Meego tablet ongoing? Instead I have seen alot of Android/WinCE och Windows7 tablets/netbooks :-(

It looks like were back in same **** as before. Microsoft and now Google takes over and only some techical geeks want Meego and fully Linux.

It will it never change :-/ So sick of it.

Btw I am not sure that even Nokia will use Meego in the future as a main OS. Maybe they will release one or two cpomputerphones for geeks, and then go back to S^4 as main OS...

I really hope I am wrong in this but if Intel, Nokia shall succed they must be release something NOW.

Dude there aren't any MeeGo devices because is still in early development but even in beta form MeeGo looks very good. I think MeeGo will succeed because the user experience is unique and it is much better than that of other Linux distributions.

bzhbok 2010-08-27 14:50

Re: Why MeeGo (On the Netbook and Tablet) Will Succeed Where Other Linux Distributions Have Failed
 
In the next year it will probably have a limited success, lead by Nokia N9 and perhaps an atom Z600 special device (huge smartphone ? tablet ?). There will be a few netbooks/smartbooks but I don't expect them to take a large market share : this market will continue to be dominated by windows because of brand recognition and conservatism. Also Android will be a competitor as the alternative OS for netbooks. Android will benefit from a larger brand recognition and that it is already an established OS.
In the newer tablet market it will be similar : IPad is the leader (at least in term of brand), a swarm of Android tablets will take quite a big market share. MeeGo will arrive a bit later with less brand recognition.
At the same time MeeGo will make its debut in entertaining system (IVI & connected TVs...) with success.

The critical moment will be in the second and third year : MeeGo will be more mature then. They will be a good number of apps for MeeGo, but still far less than for android. I believe the pure performance should be better than Android because it is native apps instead of virtual machine. At this point some constructors should be hesitating between MeeGo and Android. This will be the real test if MeeGo will be a small player or a dominant one.

My prediction is that most constructor will go for android, but a large enough minority will go MeeGo. A determinant factor will be intel marketing of MeeGo for Moorestown Z600 processor (and its successors). It could help push MeeGo on Netbooks/tablets.

If in three years MeeGo market share is something like half of Android then I think it can become trully dominant in the long term because of its technical and organisational strength : the more open devellopment process and its capability to be fully customised in the UX layer will appeal to constructors, Qt will attract third apps devs (espacially if there is a port to android and iphone).

I bet a lot on the N9 to impress the industry. What matter the most is not the market share, but that the industry get the feeling that something is happening with MeeGo and that they must not miss the train...

extendedping 2010-08-27 14:59

Re: Why MeeGo (On the Netbook and Tablet) Will Succeed Where Other Linux Distributions Have Failed
 
I actually think meego will end up being huge. I think in a year we will think back with nostalgia on trite discussions like this where only a select few (well millions actually but still a select few be comparison) were waiting for the os.

So put me in the it will be big, there is room for a third giant alternative to ios/android category.

Of course it could bomb but I think the op has it right, this is the first real linux (I'm discounting android) with a real chance...

bzhbok 2010-08-27 15:10

Re: Why MeeGo (On the Netbook and Tablet) Will Succeed Where Other Linux Distributions Have Failed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by extendedping (Post 800078)
I think in a year we will think back with nostalgia on trite discussions like this where only a select few (well millions actually but still a select few be comparison) were waiting for the os.

My MeeGo forum account will then proudly display:
Join Date: Feb 2010 :rolleyes:

tissot 2010-08-27 15:17

Re: Why MeeGo (On the Netbook and Tablet) Will Succeed Where Other Linux Distributions Have Failed
 
Handset UX will no doubt have huge uphill battle ahead of it.
MeeGo tablet UX in a other hand is something i think got some real potential right from the start to be a hit and that would be great thing for handheld UX as well.

I usually hate the it's too late like of comments where some product beats another for 3 weeks and it's supposedly doomed because of that, but i would hate to see MeeGo tablet UX being beaten by something like Android 3.0 so there wouldn't be real room for MeeGo tablets after both Android 3.0 and ipad.
It just needs a company that can actually build some hype behind their hw.

As a side note i haven't really heard anything about the tablet UX in recent time. What's exactly the schedule for it?

nilchak 2010-08-27 15:48

Re: Why MeeGo (On the Netbook and Tablet) Will Succeed Where Other Linux Distributions Have Failed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by tissot (Post 800091)
Handset UX will no doubt have huge uphill battle ahead of it.
MeeGo tablet UX in a other hand is something i think got some real potential right from the start to be a hit and that would be great thing for handheld UX as well.

I usually hate the it's too late like of comments where some product beats another for 3 weeks and it's supposedly doomed because of that, but i would hate to see MeeGo tablet UX being beaten by something like Android 3.0 so there wouldn't be real room for MeeGo tablets after both Android 3.0 and ipad.
It just needs a company that can actually build some hype behind their hw.

As a side note i haven't really heard anything about the tablet UX in recent time. What's exactly the schedule for it?

Which kind of beats me as to why Nokia is not getting behind the Tablet with MeeGo Table UX much more strongly.
Recently their Sales or something VP said that they are not looking at the Tablet market as this junctture - which makes sense in terms of organising their device portfolio - but business wise I think this has a much bigger potential for them to put their stamp on.

I thought the Tablet UX experience was a very refreshing change from whats on the market and has quite some potential - no Nokia not riding this boat seems stange. That doesn't mean other companies can't take it and run with it.

bzhbok 2010-08-27 16:41

Re: Why MeeGo (On the Netbook and Tablet) Will Succeed Where Other Linux Distributions Have Failed
 
Yes the tabet UI is very mysterious. There is no Meego Tablet UX at meego.gitorious.com, not even a placeholder. We don't know precisely who is develloping it. We don't know which library they use (Qt, gtk/clutter ...). We don't even know if it will be open sourced...

I hope we will have a "tablet UX" day one and then open devellopment...

TheTree 2010-08-27 18:48

Re: Why MeeGo (On the Netbook and Tablet) Will Succeed Where Other Linux Distributions Have Failed
 
Supposedly this is a pre-alpha build of Meego Tablet UX:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QqeeQd-YNL0

onethreealpha 2010-08-27 19:21

Re: Why MeeGo (On the Netbook and Tablet) Will Succeed Where Other Linux Distributions Have Failed
 
Define success?
User adoption?
Whole of life support and redundancy?
Commercial viability?

I would suggest that there's a few *nix variants out there that already meet any/all of the above.

As far as I can see, and this is not in any way trying to diminish the value and effort of the community supporting it,, Meego has started off as a commercial venture and will live or die according to it's ability to sell devices. Like Android, Symbian, and for that matter IOS, it is a consumer driven OS with one purpose. to make money for the people investing in it's development (Intel and Nokia et al)

The fact that it's based on an open source OS, and has a degree of portability across a number of HW platforms doesn't make it special, just an evolution from an OS that only managed to get out onto the market on 1 device......

nilchak 2010-08-27 19:28

Re: Why MeeGo (On the Netbook and Tablet) Will Succeed Where Other Linux Distributions Have Failed
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 800281)
Define success?
User adoption?
Whole of life support and redundancy?
Commercial viability?

I would suggest that there's a few *nix variants out there that already meet any/all of the above.

As far as I can see, and this is not in any way trying to diminish the value and effort of the community supporting it,, Meego has started off as a commercial venture and will live or die according to it's ability to sell devices. Like Android, Symbian, and for that matter IOS, it is a consumer driven OS with one purpose. to make money for the people investing in it's development (Intel and Nokia et al)

The fact that it's based on an open source OS, and has a degree of portability across a number of HW platforms doesn't make it special, just an evolution from an OS that only managed to get out onto the market on 1 device......

The fact that its an Open OS is supposed to be the value proposition to Nokia and Intel's business partners.

If you thought its only the community which is excited about the openness because they can tinker with the code you are dead wrong.

With an closed os (like iOS) the partners of Apple dont have any stake in it - except to push boxes loaded with iOS.

With an open OS they get a stake in how they wish to build around the core OS and what value propositions they can bring to the table to differentiate their hardware/services. Thats is the REAL value of an open OS.
Thats is what the commercial players have realized they need to do - to make a platform more acceptable and more penetrative - and hence make more money for them and which might have escaped you.

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Originally Posted by onethreealpha (Post 800281)
The fact that it's based on an open source OS, and has a degree of portability across a number of HW platforms doesn't make it special, just an evolution from an OS that only managed to get out onto the market on 1 device......

I think, its exactly that which makes it special - that a single base OS can be ported to different HW with vendor custiomizations and differentations from competitors. The fact that right now its only on 1 HW is doesnt take away that fact. The same OS can drive different categories of HW. That is yet to be seen on any OS (except Android to a very limited extent).


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