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90% of the posts in here because too many words are used to explain stuff and all this Lynix stuff is lost on me... but... I love it when people post actual commands to use in X-Term... for example in another post I wanted to know how to install kismet, dsniff, aircrack, etc... and I was told to go read pages and pages of stuff which wasn't malicious because the guy tried his best to help me BUT I rather have been told...


Load X-Term and type the following...

sudo su -
password? <enter>
sudo gainroot
apt-get update
apt-get install wirelesstools
apt-get install kismet
apt-get install dsniff
apt-get install aircrack-ng
apt-get install aircrack-ptw

Now my question AGAIN is... HOW DO I CRACK WIFI??? I want simple command lines to use in X-Term... I don't care to know HOW it works... Just want to get internet access outside when all the WiFi is locked. I tried typing in "dnsniff" and it says it is "listening" to "0wlan" or something like that... WHAT do I type next?

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If the InternetTabletTalk gods are willing, I think a tutorial section in the forums is appropriate. It would be very helpful for people like me to get up to speed.

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But that's just it: If you don't at least have some understanding of HOW it works, it won't always work! If, for example, you sniff a locked access point, you may get lucky and pick an AP with lots of traffic, which generates lots of weak keys, and then aircrack can crack them for you. You may also get an AP with essentially no traffic, and then you'd have to perform packet injection to get the AP to spew enough weak keys. Or, the third possibility is that you'll sniff a WPA-encrypted network, with a good, strong key and not be able to crack it in any sort of reasonable time.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for explicit instructions, and try to provide them myself, but just blindly typing what I've found on web pages has gotten me into trouble before - accidentally formatting the wrong partition as a newbie, deleting important files, etc..., because my setup was different from what's on the web page. You still have to stop and think about HOW it is going to work before you SHOULD proceed.

Finally - beware that connecting to anyone's access point without prior consent (even open AP's) is defined in the US as theft of communications bandwidth, and is a federal felony. There have been prosecutions, mainly when individuals were using the AP's for illegal purposes, but it's still something to think about. If the prosecution can show that you had to crack their WEP key beforehand, my guess is you'd have a much more difficult defense than if you connected to an open AP. I'm not a lawyer, and I don't think the LEGALITY of using open access points matches the ETHICS (i.e., I don't feel it's unethical, even if technically illegal) of using such an AP, but who wants to be a test case and set legal precedent? Not condemning it, just pointing it out!

Again, you still have to stop and think about HOW it is going to work before you SHOULD proceed.

And I second the motion for a Tutorials section - or maybe a sticky thread to a maemo wiki page of tutorials?

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http://europe.nokia.com/A4305009

Perhaps this might help

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First, there are several sites with explicit instructions on how to use airodump, aireplay, and aircrack to break WEP keys. We should probably have a tutorial section, but let's not reinvent the wheel.

However, secondly, I'm chiming in with gsagers. It looks like euchreprof simply wants to blindly break WEP keys to use networks that are trying to keep him/her out. I'd go a step further than gsagers: if you are breaking something without consent, that is indeed unethical. Just because you CAN enter someone's house certainly does not mean that it is PERMITTED or that you should.

Go to your local coffee shop or public library and use their networks. You've got permission there!

-F

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No, I specifically said OPEN access points. If someone has encrypted it, I don't feel that should be legal or ethical, if it's open you don't know whether it's intentional or not, so it shouldn't automatically be illegal. Best advice, though, is to only use those you have permission to use.

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If a resource is protected in any way, by default or design, breaking into it gets one into dangerous territory. Therefore I disagree with gsagers' assertion above. It is in fact flawed logic (assuming I read it right, which I'm not sure I did).

This isn't my forum, and I may be in the minority, but in my opinion this isn't the forum for such activities or related discussions. It's Reggie's call of course, but I'm sure he realizes there could be liability ramifications in allowing such dialog to go unchecked. I urge everyone to not put Reggie at such risk, and take such discussions elsewhere.

If I'm out of line, and Reggie says so, I'll shut up on the subject.

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first, you have to expect a learning curve with anything new you try. though you have experience, however limited, with windows you must understand that linux is different and you have to learn how.

second, there is an ethical issue in cracking wifi, that no one here will support. you have expressed malice aforethought, not security based understanding. you want to steal internet access by defeating measueres intended to prevent theft of service.

if you were looking for information on how security worked and willing to learn new things, the story would be different. good luck on your search and i hope your script kiddie ******** is banned here.

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Just to be absolutely clear (maybe what I typed above has a logic flaw!), I do not support or condone breaking encryption to get at someone's wifi. Neither ethical nor legal.

I'm not saying you should hijack a neighbor's open AP either! Use AP's you have permission to use!

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euchreprof, if you want things to "just work" without taking the trouble to understand anything about them, I would suggest that you stick to Windows, or at the very least to the preinstalled apps on the Nokia tablets.

Babysitting you, as you *demand*, would be twice inefficient : first, a waste of the time of helpful, knowledgeable people retyping and dumbing down information that is readily available elsewhere, just because you are too lazy to look it up ; second, because at some point in those instructions something might (will) go wrong, due to a typo or small difference between the writer's setup and yours, and then you still won't know what to do and come back grumbling and whining for more.

Some things take learning. Do you also want us to teach you to play the guitar and piano in 24hrs without any effort on your part ?

Remember the Chinese saying : "Give a man a fish, he will eat for one day. Teach him to fish, he will eat for the rest of his life". That applies to virtual fish, too :-)

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Ok, I was confused by the wording in your post. Thanks for the clarification!

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LOL Wow what a reaction. I thought these program were made so people could use internet on the road when every internet connection is locked. Maybe i am not geek enough or even business like to think this is a huge problem. All I know is these programs exist and I want to use them like all the other Lynix pro people. I do not believe for 1 minute the Lynix pro people don't use these programs to check their email in a desperate situation. Equal rights!

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You'll find that the users here rely on their bluetooth phones for on-the-road access. Assuming that the bulk of pros here are black hat hackers is ridiculous, and your own reaction is rather juvenile.

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We're not "Lynix pros". Mostly just regular Linux users (at least on the tablets) who do their homework before calling in the troops. Equal rights ? Equal efforts !

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How am I suppose to know any different... I am totally new to this and when I buy a Nokia N800 and see about 50 programs that people built for it and good 10% is what I percieve as HACKER programs... well I want in on it! Remember I am totally new to this and these are programs I come across. I did not make these programs. Am I wrong to assume these are hacker programs? If so fine but from a newbie's perspective sure sounds like it. I am just being real from my point of veiw and do not mean to make enemies on here, but I must be honest in what my intentions are. But I will not fight with anyone on here because quite frankly you all are teaching me so much stuff and I love this place.

PS: I have a 200mb/month data plan myself but it soooooooo slow. I rather use regular hi-speed wifi and if I ever learn to crack outside wifi I will!! Burn me for this if you wish oh well.


eg.
wirelesstools
kismet
dsniff
aircrack-ng
aircrack-ptw

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I did noticed this is how it worked on here but instead of learning how to break wifi in the next 6 months by reading endless pages I just wanted to see if someone could give me a few simple command lines to speed up the process... I wasn't holding my breath cuz I did notice how everyone operates on here... some people protect their repositories like it was gold. Why else does it take me 2 months and searching all over the place to come up with 25 repositories when it could have taken 1 day on here if some "Lynix user" just posted all of his? As a newbie I rather oldtimers make it really really easy for me instead of making me earn it. I got got a family to take care of and a wife who is not pleased I spend so much time on here.

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Your reply has no relationship to my statements. Try reading again and reframing your questions if you want answers.

A hint: you first imply that ALL "Lynix pros" probably engage in illicit activities-- now you allege that only 10% of the N800 programs demonstrate such intent (I find that too high). You claim you're just "being real", but that isn't reflected in your statements on this subject.

Just curious: how old are you?

And, you know, I certainly won't presume to tell you how to be a father and husband, but personally this family man could never conceive of even flirting with black hat stuff.

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I know, I know, I know, but my wife already calls me a "geek" for buying a Nokia N800 and doing all these modifications and for even coming on this website... and I am just inbetween loving my wife and loving my Nokia N800 and trying to balance out the 2!! I am under pressure here!

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I am 37. Married and have a 4 year old daughter. All I want is high speed internet when I am on the road... sometimes I get into unlocked wireless networks and sometimes all of these are locked... I know it is wrong but I sleep soundly at night. About the percentages of programs which are hacker ones... whatever the percentages... there are atleast a half dozen in a small amount of total programs on maemo. As a newbie... this got my attention to the possiblities. I have been using Windows for 20 years and never came accoss a hacking programs... but out of 50 on maemo I see 6 of them and I am a child to want to use them?

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You're asking the wrong questions again. To be honest I got a much different impression of your age from the wording of your posts... not necessarily the subject.

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Impressions? All I wanted to do is learn how to run a few specific programs which are free to install on my Nokia N800 from maemo.com. Maybe I should have played the game differently like I have noticed others have... looks like this error cost me 6 months of reading endless pages on this topic.

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our point is that you should be reading before asking questions, and not demanding answers. sTRess or not, try your best to figure it out and post what hangs you up. pEOple are more willing to help those who try to help themselves.

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I'm impressed that you've been using Windows since version 1 or 2 and never seen a hacking program for the operating environment, err, operating system. Okay, I don't remember seeing much for Windows 1, but by the 3.0 days it was tough to find a BBS without at least a ZIP password cracker in the downloads area.

I don't recall ever downloading one though.

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Ok dad!!!!!!

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Bottom line is nothing I can say or do to get a few command lines in X-term on this subject from the OLD BOYS CLUB... gotta hope to make friends with another newbie and work with him on this... I have noticed the newbies explain everything step by step which is what other newbies really need.

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Dude... don't blame the response. Your approach left something to be desired, people reacted as you yourself said you expected, that's it. Instead of passive aggressive whining, try a reboot. Or keep thinking it's everyone else at fault. Your call. But geez-- one martyr here is enough.

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The thing is there aren't simple command lines for these programs and the way you're asking for help makes you sound like a |33t sCRiPt kIdDIe. I'm a Linux n00b as well, but I've spent a little time reading the tutorials for these programs and tried them out. You need some patience and some practice to get them to work. Even then airodump-ng tends to crap out on me after 5-10 minutes of capturing packets. Bottom line, no one is going to help you when you explicitly state you intend to use these tools for illegal purposes. If you said you wanted to do some penetration testing on your own network that would be different...

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What you are saying is 100% true. But so is what I am saying. I see both sides so I can admit this. Can you? eg. Old Boys Club needs to be stroked and played to get bottom line results... I just tried to challenge the establishment... I aint gonna win I know but I just felt like saying this stuff anyhow. To me it is not logical to be able to legally download 50 software programs made for the Nokia N800, but because I am a newbie, I may only ask how to run 44 of these programs. That to me is worth challenging.

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Everything you said is true. But why do I have to lie and play the game? The member "ArnimS" gave us all a great command line to use under the title "HOWTO: Increase Screen Dim/Blank timeouts!"...

gconftool-2 -s "/system/osso/dsm/display/display_dim_timeout" 1800 -t INT
gconftool-2 -s "/system/osso/dsm/display/display_blank_timeout" 3600 -t INT

HE DIDN'T TELL US ALL TO GO GOOGLE THE HISTORY OF SCREEN SAVERS IN ORDER TO QUALIFY TO HAVE THIS WONDERFUL FEATURE ADDED TO OUR NOKIA N800!!
This is what I want for ALL software programs... and I do not want to be told I need to go read pages and pages about how X-terminal works with different commands and until I learn half of the commands in X-Terminal ONLY THEN will someone from the Old Boys Club fill me in on the rest. Tell me what you know and keep the judgements to yourself. I come here to learn how to run all 50 software programs on maemo for the Nokia N800... and I get tired having to do each program the long way just because everyone else did it that way. I have a better system here. I ASK and YOU TELL me what you know. Why be jealous and hold out on me just because I have come up with a better system on here than you did? If this was a perfect world for me, I could come on this website and within 1 week learn everything I need to know about the Nokia N800. (not everything but everything *I* need to know) But nooooooooooooo that is WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! To simple. To logicial. Must read read read read read read and earn respect? OMG give me a few command lines for kismet, dsniff, aircrack, etc... and while you are at it ALL of your repositories... lol... WHY IS THIS SO COMPLICATED? THIS IS INSANE TO ME!! (A LIFETIME WINDOWS USER)

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No, that's not at all why those programs were made.
When on the road you'll find basically three types of networks:
1) Open, free ones.
2) Open (as in non-encrypted), but you have to go through a https web page and register and pay. Common in airports (although some airports use scheme 1), which is better) and also to cover big areas of some cities.
3) Private networks. Your regular home-user, or some office's internal wi-fi network. Stay off from these. Always.

Stick with 1) and 2), and only use those mentioned tools for _legal_ security research issues. Usually 2) at least are easy to find, that it may cost money isn't a reason for cracking someone's private network.

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Holy cow euchre.

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Umm, nice system indeed. But it doesn't work like this. You seem to ignore the fact that you are not entitled to any answer or help. So basically you have to play by rules set by people who provide answers, not the other way around. Got it? There is one result of all your talk. Most people will think twice before helping you and then just forget it since most likely it will be just waste of their time.

Looks like there is nice article worth of reading. You may read whole article as many chapters apply directly to you but here are some specific pointers
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-...ns.html#before
and there is even one question in the "Questions Not To Ask" chapter similar to yours
http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-....html#id272074

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euchre, you just aren't listening. It's not necessarily that we WON'T give you instructions on how to "crack wifi using kismet, dsniff, and aircrack-ng", but rather that we CAN'T.

THERE IS NO ONE COMMAND LINE TO OPEN UP EVERY SINGLE ENCRYPTED WIFI ACCESS POINT. THERE ISN"T EVEN A SINGLE COMMAND LINE TO OPEN EVERY WEP-ENCRYPTED ACCESS POINT.

OK, GO BACK AND READ THE PASSAGE ABOVE UNTIL YOU BELIEVE IT- IT'S TRUE!

If you really want to use programs like this, you'll have to take the time to understand them. The options you have to pass to each program depend VERY MUCH on what type of network you're probing the security of. I can't just say type "dsniff -cdn -i eth0" and you can then use it. Unless you know what the options DO, you won't have any luck.

Regardless of whether you, or we, feel that your actions are legally and ethically right or wrong, just blindly typing commands that someone else won't get you anywhere. These tools aren't a script-kiddie "Type in the IP address and I'll run every possible exploit until I get in" tools. Each has a purpose, and they fit together well, but they're not automated, and you'll have to understand the options.

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It is the way of the Linux...

I've spent many hours reading manpages and still not getting it. :)

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Ah, but the legendary Irony of Incompetence principle states that those most in need of learning how to draw that crucial distinction are least likely to do so. ;)

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Look, if YOU aren't the least bit interested in what is POSSIBLE, why should WE care about what you WANT ?

Man, you've really gone and made a fool of yourself here. Except maybe if you get some sort of kick out of these rants, you certainly won't make any progress from here on.

Maybe your best bet would be to create a new one-cent pseudo like, say, "blonde newbie with questions!", breathe deeply, and start anew, being real polite and respectful with the Old Boys Club an' all. Just a thought.

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I like how in recent days we've started to accumulate a cool collection of eccentric characters. Think maybe our favorite martyr did some recruiting?

:D

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or maybe one of us "known unknowns" is going psycho pushing all of our recognized buttons of infinite annoyance.....:rolleyes:

dcarter

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This forum does have an ignore-option, you know... ;)

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Of course I know, seeing as how I've used it a couple of times. But it's always fun to watch the show first before censoring it. ;)