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chaoscreater 2010-09-01 02:37

A possible remedy to boost the N900 (Dual boot Maemo and Symbian)
 
I've been thinking, why didn't Nokia just combine Symbian & Maemo on the N900?? The hardware is powerful enough to run it, the only difference between the N97 and N900 is the OS. If Nokia can allow N900 to dual boot Symbian and Maemo, wouldn't that make it even better and boost the sales and promote it even further?? It could've done so much better.


I dunno, just an idea i have. Symbian is crap i know, but at least it's been around for a long time.

mokkey 2010-09-01 03:16

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
pointless!

m0da 2010-09-01 03:17

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
who the **** wants symbian on their n900

F2thaK 2010-09-01 03:18

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
.......boost???? overclock!!

mokkey 2010-09-01 03:32

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
get kernel power from app man and over clock ur n900 to 1ghz n you will see how fast your n900 is

atilla 2010-09-01 04:03

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
the only difference between n97 and n900 is the os??
what the ****????

paulkoan 2010-09-01 04:16

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I think the op was referring to boosting sales, not boosting speed.

So the idea was to dualboot the n900 with something people are familiar with - Symbian, with something they are not - maemo, in order to gain more interest and more traction.

Aside from the "same hardware" assertion, this plan doesn't fly primarily because I imagine Nokia has no interest in boosting n900 sales at this point, and certainly little interest in promoting the maemo platform with meego only a couple of months away (this may well be a fairy tale, but I imagine they would plan for it to be true even when it won't be).

The n900 was an experiment for enthusiasts. Given the extraordinary level of moaning and bitterness that arose from that demographic, Nokia would have to be insane to push this device further into the non-tech-savvy demo even if meego wasn't on its way.

TiagoTiago 2010-09-01 04:39

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
It would be nice if Maemo5 could run Symbian progs out of the box though

Dany-69 2010-09-01 04:51

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by atilla (Post 803854)
the only difference between n97 and n900 is the os??
what the ****????

LOL :p ... ahahahahh :)

atilla 2010-09-01 05:13

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dany-69 (Post 803876)
LOL :p ... ahahahahh :)

jeah ahhhmm...
its..........
just...................
funny............

kureyon 2010-09-01 10:42

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulkoan (Post 803860)
The n900 was an experiment for enthusiasts. Given the extraordinary level of moaning and bitterness that arose from that demographic, Nokia would have to be insane to push this device further into the non-tech-savvy demo

Perhaps if Nokia had put some more effort and resources in releasing a polished product then there wouldn't be that high a level of moaning and bitterness.

kevinm2k 2010-09-02 07:12

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Id like to see symbian on the n900 as well, there are a LOT more apps for symbian, some of which I wouldn't mind seeing on the n900. I also dont mind symbian too much, yeah the n97 was a load of crap, I had it before the n900 but the operating system (albeit slow) isn't too bad, i'd quite like to see a dual boot or triple boot or maemo, symbian and android :)

acvetkov 2010-09-02 07:17

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
I want my N900 to make coffee 3 minutes before I wake up. Damn you Nokia how could you not include this function along with the four booth with windows,android and symbian!!!!!

AlMehdi 2010-09-02 07:31

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The only point of having symbian on n900 would be it's telephone functions.. although that would have been better ported than having an dualboot.

Let's hope the ofono-projekt gives us the abillity to do this better our selves.

chase15 2010-09-02 07:35

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
I want it too.. id like to show my n900 to my friends... running maemo, android plus symbian.... they'll get jealous for sure....

chaoscreater 2010-09-02 07:52

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by paulkoan (Post 803860)
I think the op was referring to boosting sales, not boosting speed.

So the idea was to dualboot the n900 with something people are familiar with - Symbian, with something they are not - maemo, in order to gain more interest and more traction.

Aside from the "same hardware" assertion, this plan doesn't fly primarily because I imagine Nokia has no interest in boosting n900 sales at this point, and certainly little interest in promoting the maemo platform with meego only a couple of months away (this may well be a fairy tale, but I imagine they would plan for it to be true even when it won't be).

The n900 was an experiment for enthusiasts. Given the extraordinary level of moaning and bitterness that arose from that demographic, Nokia would have to be insane to push this device further into the non-tech-savvy demo even if meego wasn't on its way.

ya exactly. People need to read that i only posted this as an idea for Nokia to *possibly* promote the N900 in terms of sales and its users, rather just an experimental device. The N900 lacks apps and games in general, and could still use some of the decent symbian apps if it were to be able to run symbian somehow.


Sure the symbian is a crappy OS, but it's still being used by Nokia. If i'm not wrong, the upcoming N9 will be supporting symbian, correct?? So why not let N900 run it as well? I can't imagine why some of u are always this negative on the community and attempt to flame or share only negativity upon any suggestion or idea posted by the OP, and yes i'm looking at you "atilla", u manage to spam 2 of my topics already, if ur this bored go get a life and stop posting useless comments in my topic or at anyone's topic.

Anyway, people port Android to the N900, as well as on the iPhone and other Windows Mobile devices and we all like this. And yet i suggest a possibility for Nokia to implement Symbian, which is their own proprietary software, and some of u guys think it's a stupid idea and fail in general?? We'll be able to get more usage out of the phone, whether the symbian is a crappy os or not or whether the apps sucks or not, as long as we get to use additional features and options then it's always a plus. It's *OPTIONAL* for u to use it or not.

It wouldn't be hard for Nokia to implement that since Symbian IS Nokia after all. What are the downsides to this anyway?? I can't imagine there being any.

Lastly, i read a while ago that Nokia still wants to improve Symbian as they'll be releasing Symbian 3 or something. They could still use the N900 as a test device so why not?



And yes, aside from a few hardware differences between the N900 and N97, the main biggest difference is the OS.

maluka 2010-09-02 08:33

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It's actually not such a wild idea OP. I've thought of this myself. I think what Nokia is planning to do with MeeGo/Symbian^4 is make the two OSes almost indistinguishable. Same apps and games will run on both and the UI will also be similar I suppose.

From the Symbian^3 N8 videos I've seen online, it looks to be an amazingly fast phone UI. The biggest thing you would miss from Maemo would be the excellent browser. I'm quite looking forward to seeing the new Qt Webkit browser the Symbian^3 N8 will get in November as well.

atilla 2010-09-02 08:42

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
i wasnt spamming your great thread.
i tried to tell you that between n900 and n97 is a difference like heaven and hell.
thats all.
i dont understand why the new guys here all dont understand that some comments are just fun.
if you want a private place,make a blog.
THIS is a forum and everyone can say what the **** he want.
i could say too if you dont like my post ignore him.
so to all the new guys who are crying because someone makes a little bit fun:take a chill pill and relax.
ITS JUST FUN

NokTokDaddy 2010-09-02 08:50

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That's the bizarre thing about this community:

Many users attack Android and claim it is not as capable as Symbian in many ways and another faction are working to allow Android to run on N900...

I would've thought that the ability to dual-boot Symbian would offer distinct advantages to N900, especially if the excellent phone and navigational options could be made to run.

I don't play games, but one of the main complaints from 'ordinary' users ( as opposed to the tech-savvy) is the lack of games and app choice generally.

I still enjoy using my Wife's N97Mini and envy some of the traditional Symbian Goodness.

Dual booting Symbian makes sense to me.

rickysio 2010-09-02 08:54

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Because the screen resolution and the lack of buttons can potentially f**k every thing up?

Many'd go "OH **** HOW DO I QUIT THIS NOW?" without a end key.

tenkom 2010-09-02 08:56

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Symbian is not a crappy os. In many ways it is far more suited for a mobile device than linux. the fact that it runs fairly well even on the low specced phones nokia have been pumping out lately is proof of that. Try running maemo 5 on a 434 mhz arm 11 with 128 megs of ram. The problem is S60. They really need a new UI.

NokTokDaddy 2010-09-02 11:19

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rickysio (Post 804991)
Because the screen resolution and the lack of buttons can potentially f**k every thing up?

Many'd go "OH **** HOW DO I QUIT THIS NOW?" without a end key.

I am no Developer, but would it be possible to add a widget (activated by a half-press of the camera button) to provide functionality normally delivered via the three physical keys on Symbian devives like N97 & Mini & X6?

This could be activated as and when required to 'lay over' the main screen and would disappear again with a half-press of the shutter button.

Or am I just blowing smoke up my own usb port?

maluka 2010-09-02 11:41

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These guys currently do some of the best custom Symbian roms. http://forum.pnht.org/index.php/board,3.0.html

I'm sure if they could get their hands on an N900 it would only be a matter of time before it's possible. They could build on a lot of what the Nitdroid guys have done so far.

ossipena 2010-09-02 11:54

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kureyon (Post 804067)
Perhaps if Nokia had put some more effort and resources in releasing a polished product then there wouldn't be that high a level of moaning and bitterness.

so it is nokias fault that even when it was clearly announced that n900 is "step 4/5" (5/5 meaning polished end product), some people want to moan about it not being polished?

chaoscreater 2010-09-02 11:58

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by atilla (Post 805138)
you stupid ***** tell me to take the sand out of my vagina?
you?
really?
serious?
maybe you stupid little kid grow up and learn to shut the **** up.
i can say what the **** i want.
everybody shits on you because of your stupid pointless threads.
it makes me laughing that you little noob say that there is no difference between n900 and n97.
that tells me that you dont know what you are doing.
im not the only one whos laughing about this pointless **** you are speaking.
so **** off from maemo.org
nobody needs here crying little *****es.
and b.t.w
i thought you are blocking me?
tss


why are u stuffing more sand back into there?? It's time to let loose kid. Funny and ironic how all this crap and trash talk coming from ur *** and yet u still dun realize that ur spamming, in somebody else's topic. HMM?

And yes i did block you from PM messages, but there's no option to block you from spamming in my topics. There's no such option in any forum or community but this alone just proves that u do love to spam.

All of this was an idea i had and u had to take it so seriously. See, u rage so fast just like what u did in my other topic yesterday, maybe ur not having as much fun since ur crying and QQ so much right now?? Can't take much sarcasm or insult kid??

Ur raging so hard that ur english doesn't even make sense. It's ok if people don't use correct full english spelling because it's the internet, but at least structure ur grammar properly.

anthonie 2010-09-02 12:00

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Passes a nice block of Old Amsterdam cheese to atilla, hoping it will calm him down. Some posts are just not worth getting upset over. You want a beer or a wine to go with the cheese?

atilla 2010-09-02 12:00

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
do you know what spamming is?

Edit:
here read this maybe after that you will know what spamming is http://spam.abuse.net/overview/whatisspam.shtml
and btw:i speak perfect german,perfekt polish and good english.
what kind of languages are you speaking?

atilla 2010-09-02 12:01

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anthonie (Post 805148)
Passes a nice block of Old Amsterdam cheese to atilla, hoping it will calm him down. Some posts are just not worth getting upset over. You want a beer or a wine to go with the cheese?

maybe some beers?

anthonie 2010-09-02 12:04

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
There you are...

http://www.revolvermag.com/images/blog/Duvel.jpg

Cheers!

atilla 2010-09-02 12:09

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by anthonie (Post 805154)

thanks dude i dont know the label but i guess its good?

maluka 2010-09-02 12:11

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Okay, everyone calm down.

anthonie 2010-09-02 12:15

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Look at the name, mate :) (no need to translate, right?) Can`t go wrong with beer from Belgium, although I prefer wine myself.

TiagoTiago 2010-09-02 13:02

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by acvetkov (Post 804928)
I want my N900 to make coffee 3 minutes before I wake up. Damn you Nokia how could you not include this function along with the four booth with windows,android and symbian!!!!!

I don't think it would be hard to implement RFC 2324 in the N900, the difficult part would be finding a compatible coffee pot

jedi 2010-09-02 13:04

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Please never leave us chaoscreater - the 2 topics you've created over the last 2 days have given me and my work colleagues so much joy and laughter in our otherwise dull and soul-destroyingly boring days at work.

chaoscreater 2010-09-02 13:06

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by jedi (Post 805208)
Please never leave us chaoscreater - the 2 topics you've created over the last 2 days have given me and my work colleagues so much joy and laughter in our otherwise dull and soul-destroyingly boring days at work.

i'll take that as a compliment. And ur welcome.

jedi 2010-09-02 13:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by chaoscreater (Post 805210)
i'll take that as a compliment.

I'm sure you will.

alienhead 2010-09-02 13:53

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
The title is misleading.

tzsm98 2010-09-02 14:08

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by NokTokDaddy (Post 804988)
That's the bizarre thing about this community:

... I don't play games,....

I'm with NokTokDaddy. I don't play; I quit school because they had recess!;)

rickysio 2010-09-02 14:21

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by chaoscreater (Post 805131)
Ur right. OH DEAR GOD, HOW ON EARTH WILL WE BE ABLE TO USE A PHONE WITH OH-SO-FEW BUTTONS?!

Right. Bcoz as if the 4 buttons on the N900 (including the switch) isn't enough. Not to mention the number of keys on the hardware keyboard. Ya, as if any other phone has 100+ buttons (not including a keyboard).

Nexus One and iPhone don't have many buttons. The Samsung Galaxy and HTC EVO 4G don't have many buttons. What makes u think any other phone like the N900 needs that many buttons?

And yet the iPhone that has all the functions mainly on its touch screen, and can do all of the normal tasks such as end task or close easily. Both N97 and N900 have a keyboard. That's more than enough buttons to use, even though it's not really suitable that way. But it's still a solution nontheless.


And using maemo on the N900 doesn't require an end button either. We close it normally just by using the touch screen. I don't know how the hell u've been using ur phone but there is no end button on the N900 whatsoever, and it's not even needed. They simply need to add in something similar for the Symbian so it does the same.

Please take a look at all currently released symbian phone (or rather, what buttons they have), or GTFOff your *** a port Symbian yourself. Since you have so much fantastic ideas.

sjgadsby 2010-09-02 14:26

Re: A possible remedy to boost the N900 (Dual boot Maemo and Symbian)
 
Drop the insults and personal attacks and stick to debating the ideas. Thank you.


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