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railroadmaster 2010-09-04 20:43

Archos 43 Internet Tablet
 
http://www.archos.com/img/archos_43i...t_bequille.jpg
http://www.archos.com/img/archos_43i...43_it_back.jpg
Well I'm not one of those people who want 7inch and 10inch devices because you can't really fit those into a pocket and there is the fact with smartphones you have to pay a lot of money for cellular service and pdas are essentially dead. Nokia doesn't seem to have intentions on making more Internet tablets. The ideal form factor for me is 4-5inches where the device can do a lot but it can also fit in a pocket. Ok so archos is making a new Internet tablets. This one is called the Archos 43 http://www.archos.com/products/ta/ar...try=us&lang=en
Specs
Operating System: Android 2.2
Storage: Available in 8gb and 16gb plus microsd expansion
Camera: 2mp camera capable of 720p hd video recording at 30fps
Connectivity: WiFi 802.11 b/g/n, Usb 2.0, Usb 2.0 Host device, and Bluetooth 2.1 EDR
Processor: 1ghz ARM Cortex A8 with dsp
Screen: 4.3inch 854x480 resistive touchscreen
Supported Audio Formats: Mp3, AAC, WMA, OGG, and Flac
Supported Video Formats: AVI, MP4, MKV, MOV, WMV, MPG, PS, TS, VOB, FLV, RM, RMVB, ASF, 3GP
Supported Video Codecs: MPEG-4, H.264, and wmv9
Supported Image Formats: JPEG, BMP, PNG, GIF
TV Out: HDMI out through mini HDMI
What I like about it:
Adobe Flash 10.1
Super Fast processor
Very Nicely designed
HD Video recording
HDMI Out
Kickstand
Indications of $200 pricetag
What I Don't Like:
The still camera is only 2mp
Divx support would be nice
Other than a few things this device is very nice. for the price tag this device is incredibly capable. So I think I will get my hands on one when this comes out.

etuoyo 2010-09-04 21:13

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Is there any real use today for such a device? It is the same size as some of the current android phones. Why not just get a phone and carry only onr device around? If you get this you still need to carry a phone with you.

SAABoy 2010-09-04 21:40

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Quote:

Originally Posted by etuoyo (Post 807432)
Is there any real use today for such a device? It is the same size as some of the current android phones. Why not just get a phone and carry only onr device around? If you get this you still need to carry a phone with you.

x2... there are android phones with 4.3 inch screens yes?

railroadmaster 2010-09-04 21:47

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Quote:

Originally Posted by etuoyo (Post 807432)
Is there any real use today for such a device? It is the same size as some of the current android phones. Why not just get a phone and carry only onr device around? If you get this you still need to carry a phone with you.

Please name me a super high end Android phone that is $200 without contract. I kinda like the form factor (but that's just me).

j.s 2010-09-04 22:04

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Quote:

Originally Posted by etuoyo (Post 807432)
Is there any real use today for such a device? It is the same size as some of the current android phones. Why not just get a phone and carry only onr device around? If you get this you still need to carry a phone with you.

Not everyone needs to carry a phone.

bsving 2010-09-04 22:06

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the price is right, but a mobile device today without phone connection, is a dead end road except a couple of niche markets.

railroadmaster 2010-09-04 22:11

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bsving (Post 807455)
the price is right, but a mobile device today without phone connection, is a dead end road except a couple of niche markets.

Again not everyone needs a phone that is why people have bought devices like Nokia Internet Tablets, Archos Internet Tablets, and iPod Touches because cellular service and the devices themselves are too expensive for some people.

silvermountain 2010-09-04 22:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bsving (Post 807455)
the price is right, but a mobile device today without phone connection, is a dead end road except a couple of niche markets.

You mean like tablets?

Sopwith 2010-09-04 22:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bsving (Post 807455)
the price is right, but a mobile device today without phone connection, is a dead end road except a couple of niche markets.

You assume the point of view of the seller. As an end user, one doesn't care if one gets a desirable product from a niche market or from a large market. On the contrary, I would never buy something I do not need just because it is popular.

tissot 2010-09-04 22:17

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Archos AV440 is still probably one of the best gadgets i have owned and while it was not cheap that package came with everything and i really wouldn't mind to buy the Archos 70.

Problem is that i believe this wont have Android market as these new Archos tablets are missing phone cabalities that Google demands.

railroadmaster 2010-09-04 22:20

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Originally Posted by tissot (Post 807463)
Archos AV440 is still probably one of the best gadgets i have owned and while it was not cheap that package came with everything and i really wouldn't mind to buy the Archos 70.

Problem is that i believe this wont have Android market as these new Archos tablets are missing phone cabalities that Google demands.

Well can't blame Archos for that fact that they want to make an Android device that isn't a phone. However most apps should work there is a file called market4archos.apk maybe that will work.

railroadmaster 2010-09-04 22:38

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The Device seems pretty good even from the perspective of Charbax who the lord of the Archos fanboys. Youtube video here http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G7lqV1VXpSc

railroadmaster 2010-09-04 22:53

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Sure there are some things missing but from a value perspective this device will be very good.

railroadmaster 2010-09-04 23:03

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I think we finally have some true competition to Nokia n810/Nokia n800 in terms of hardware and in terms of software we will have to wait Angstrom, Mer/Maemo, or the Arm version of the Ubuntu netbook remix to get ported to this device (Of course Android does a fine job).

silvermountain 2010-09-04 23:36

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Originally Posted by railroadmaster (Post 807481)
I think we finally have some true competition to Nokia n810/Nokia n800 in terms of hardware /.../

I am still personally considering this as an N810 replacement (or possibly this...if that one still exists...).

railroadmaster 2010-09-04 23:39

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I think device will also provide some competition to the Sony PSP because (while they maybe completely different devices) the form factors are too completely different an from a value perspective the Archos is much better than the psp. However I still love the PSP despite its high price, poor web browser, and horrible Limitations.
http://www.archos.com/img/archos_43i...t_bequille.jpg
http://www.product-reviews.net/wp-co...le-shortly.jpg

railroadmaster 2010-09-04 23:41

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Originally Posted by silvermountain (Post 807497)
I am still personally considering this as an N810 replacement (or possibly this...if that one still exists...).

But ultramobile pc's are horribly slow and expensive and the other Linux handheld probably doesn't have much community support or support from the manufacturer.

silvermountain 2010-09-04 23:45

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Originally Posted by railroadmaster (Post 807500)
But ultramobile pc's are horribly slow and expensive.

How would the Viliv at "4.8" WSVGA touchscreen, 32GB SSD and an Intel® Atom™ 1.33GHz CPU" be horribly slow compared to the Archos?

railroadmaster 2010-09-04 23:47

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Originally Posted by silvermountain (Post 807502)
How would the Viliv at "4.8" WSVGA touchscreen, 32GB SSD and an Intel® Atom™ 1.33GHz CPU" be horribly slow compared to the Archos?

Well trying to put a full desktop os on a device with only 1.33ghz processor. That is what will make it slow even with something like the Ubuntu netbook Remix.

silvermountain 2010-09-05 00:04

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Originally Posted by railroadmaster (Post 807503)
Well trying to put a full desktop os on a device with only 1.33ghz processor. That is what will make it slow even with something like the Ubuntu netbook Remix.

I guess I don't agree. I've seen the U820 running Vista with absolutely no problem and apparently, even though I've never seen it in person, the Viliv S5 runs very fast. So it will not necessarily "make it slow".

railroadmaster 2010-09-05 00:09

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Originally Posted by silvermountain (Post 807508)
I guess I don't agree. I've seen the U820 running Vista with absolutely no problem and apparently, even though I've never seen it in person, the Viliv S5 runs very fast. So it will not necessarily "make it slow".

Well that is just my opinion. I think 1.3ghz is simply to slow to run Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows XP, or even some variation of Linux would take at least 60 seconds to boot. There is also the fact the Viliv is $650 and the Archos is $200.

silvermountain 2010-09-05 00:24

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Quote:

Originally Posted by railroadmaster (Post 807511)
Well that is just my opinion. I think 1.3ghz is simply to slow to run Windows 7, Windows Vista, Windows XP, or even some variation of Linux would take at least 60 seconds to boot. There is also the fact the Viliv is $650 and the Archos is $200.

Maybe I come from a different point of view - not even my laptop boots up in 60 seconds. :)

Agree on the price difference but the comment was on that it would be horrendously slow.

railroadmaster 2010-09-05 00:26

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Originally Posted by silvermountain (Post 807515)
Maybe I come from a different point of view - not even my laptop boots up in 60 seconds. :)

Agree on the price difference but the comment was on that it would be horrendously slow.

Well maybe it won't be to slow but it will be expensive. I also don't like how you can't really fit a umpc in a pocket.

railroadmaster 2010-09-05 01:41

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Quote:

Originally Posted by silvermountain (Post 807515)
Maybe I come from a different point of view - not even my laptop boots up in 60 seconds. :)

Agree on the price difference but the comment was on that it would be horrendously slow.

Well I guess there different devices but the Archos 43 is a lot easier to carry and it is pocketable. Umpcs are generally considered a niche market product (even when compared to pdas and mids).

railroadmaster 2010-09-05 05:12

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Well it seems like the Archos 43 has come close to defeating the iPod Touch http://electric-echoes.blogspot.com/...-internet.html and it certainly beets the Nokia n8x0 series devices.

Sopwith 2010-09-06 06:26

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Originally Posted by railroadmaster (Post 807599)
Well it seems like the Archos 43 has come close to defeating the iPod Touch http://electric-echoes.blogspot.com/...-internet.html and it certainly beets the Nokia n8x0 series devices.

Come close? Storage category ignored the microSD option (Archos only), and HDMI out wasn't even considered (Archos only again). Specs-wise, Archos blows the iPod out of the water.

railroadmaster 2010-09-06 17:28

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Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 808379)
Come close? Storage category ignored the microSD option (Archos only), and HDMI out wasn't even considered (Archos only again). Specs-wise, Archos blows the iPod out of the water.

Yah other than consideration of expandable storage, but the iPod Touch can do TV out keep that in mind but it can't do it through hdmi.

railroadmaster 2010-09-06 17:35

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Originally Posted by Sopwith (Post 808379)
Come close? Storage category ignored the microSD option (Archos only), and HDMI out wasn't even considered (Archos only again). Specs-wise, Archos blows the iPod out of the water.

Yes but the iPod has wetina dispray and fuufacetimee

raptoro07 2010-09-06 17:36

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Also, there is no android marketplace on Archos tablets. Why have a device when there is no way to get at all the nice android apps.

railroadmaster 2010-09-06 17:42

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Originally Posted by raptoro07 (Post 808765)
Also, there is no android marketplace on Archos tablets. Why have a device when there is no way to get at all the nice android apps.

Again can't blame Archos there not a member of the Open handset alliance, but there should be an easy hack.

bsving 2010-09-06 18:22

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Originally Posted by railroadmaster (Post 807457)
Again not everyone needs a phone that is why people have bought devices like Nokia Internet Tablets, Archos Internet Tablets, and iPod Touches because cellular service and the devices themselves are too expensive for some people.

Wrong. i didn't purchase my N800 because i didn't need a phone. I got it because it would be a nice addition to my phone. But I would rather have a tablet with phone cabalibilties than not. The N900 is almost right, but the screen is too small.

The N9 looks to be a perfect device, both phone and "tablet" in one; 4 inch screen, super camera, HDMI, real keyboard. Anything bigger than the N9 and I would be much better of with a netbook, which I already have.

A suggestion for everybody. Before you do something stupid, like buying an Android Tablet that is useless without a phone, or something even more stupid like an iWhatever. Sit down and think for a minute. Everything you need is in a device called the Nokia N9. The more I think about the N9, the more perfect it becomes :D Seriously!

Or at least get a Samsung Wave. Bada is cool :)

GeraldKo 2010-09-06 18:58

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Thanks, Railroadmaster, for bringing attention to this. This is the form factor, price, lack of contract, more powerful processor, phone-free tablet I've wanted, although I'd have liked it to be Maemo/Meego from Nokia. But this is exactly what I want as a successor to the N800/N810: 4.3" screen in a 130 gram pocket-able package. It even has a kickstand.

(Silvermountain's UMPC alternatives, like the Viliv N5, weigh 388 grams and 300 grams -- way too much for me.)

I'm even happy they didn't waste money on the camera. If I want decent photos, I'm going to use a dedicated camera. 2 Megapixel is probably adequate for snapshots and for apps like the ones that identify things from barcodes.

I'm surprised you can't get Android apps for non-phone devices. That's mind-boggling to me, as there are Android tablets coming out. I would have to see how limited the functions are without apps. If I could perform the functions of my N800 without the apps (PDF viewing, browsing, book-reading, etc.), I'd be satisfied.

railroadmaster 2010-09-06 19:08

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Originally Posted by GeraldKo (Post 808831)
Thanks, Railroadmaster, for bringing attention to this. This is the form factor, price, lack of contract, more powerful processor, phone-free tablet I've wanted, although I'd have liked it to be Maemo/Meego from Nokia. But this is exactly what I want as a successor to the N800/N810: 4.3" screen in a 130 gram pocket-able package. It even has a kickstand.

(Silvermountain's UMPC alternatives, like the Viliv N5, weigh 388 grams and 300 grams -- way too much for me.)

I'm even happy they didn't waste money on the camera. If I want decent photos, I'm going to use a dedicated camera. 2 Megapixel is probably adequate for snapshots and for apps like the ones that identify things from barcodes.

I'm surprised you can't get Android apps for non-phone devices. That's mind-boggling to me, as there are Android tablets coming out. I would have to see how limited the functions are without apps. If I could perform the functions of my N800 without the apps (PDF viewing, browsing, book-reading, etc.), I'd be satisfied.

It can still run all nonphone applications and you can still install any apk file and there should be a very simple Android Market hack. Also as for Maemo, Angstrom should be available as a special developer edition firmware. Angstrom is very similar to Maemo it is what powers the OpenPandora.

railroadmaster 2010-09-06 19:20

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I think this will also be a great replacement for my PSP-3001 which has been hacked, tweaked, modded, and messed with like crazy. I'm tired of the PSP's annoying limitations, lack of a newer version of Adobe Flash, and poor web browser. However the PSP still holds a special pace in my heart :). Though I did like the community support, games. emulators, the skype feature, themes, and other hack of the device.

tso 2010-09-06 19:42

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while google dropped the phone requirement with android 2.1 (2.2 added bluetooth), they still require 3-way accelerometer, compass, gps and 2mpix camera before they allow market.

railroadmaster 2010-09-06 19:44

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Originally Posted by tso (Post 808878)
while google dropped the phone requirement with android 2.1 (2.2 added bluetooth), they still require 3-way accelerometer, compass, gps and 2mpix camera before they allow market.

Well it does have the bluetooth, wifi, accelerometer, and 2mpx camera, but I doesn't have the compass or gps.

geneven 2010-09-06 19:54

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What I have found from Nitdroid is that there are MANY Marketplace Android programs that are not worth using. I don't see what difference it makes if I have 1,000 extra worthless programs or 50,000 worthless programs. I haven't even had enough time to look at the worthless ones available in Nitdroid.

I myself only use maybe 20 programs. It's like a chess world champion once said when asked how many moves he thinks ahead: "oh, just one. The RIGHT one." I only use the right programs, so I don't need thousands of them.

geneven 2010-09-06 20:02

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The one thing this Archos seems lacking compared to my N810 is a hardware keyboard. That is less serious when you are talking a 7 inch or 10 inch screen; at least you have a roomy keyboard to compensate, I assume. But a tiny keyboard on a tiny screen? Has anyone any impression of the keyboard on this thing?

On the issue of a phone: I have been considering buying a very small phone and carrying it with me usually, but getting a big tablet on the occasions when I'm sure I'll want to use it. When I'm on the train I will carry both with me. When I'm on a bus, say, I'll just carry the phone -- I'm not likely to use both. I will never just carry the tablet without also carrying the phone, which is why I want a small one.

railroadmaster 2010-09-06 20:17

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Originally Posted by geneven (Post 808896)
The one thing this Archos seems lacking compared to my N810 is a hardware keyboard. That is less serious when you are talking a 7 inch or 10 inch screen; at least you have a roomy keyboard to compensate, I assume. But a tiny keyboard on a tiny screen? Has anyone any impression of the keyboard on this thing?

On the issue of a phone: I have been considering buying a very small phone and carrying it with me usually, but getting a big tablet on the occasions when I'm sure I'll want to use it. When I'm on the train I will carry both with me. When I'm on a bus, say, I'll just carry the phone -- I'm not likely to use both. I will never just carry the tablet without also carrying the phone, which is why I want a small one.

Seriously why is it whenever there's a competitors with better specs and better price the Maemo community's only argument against it is having a hardware keyboard. Seriously not every device is going to have a hardware keyboard. It kinda reminds me of iPhone, iPad, and iPod Touch owners whenever theres a better device that comes they always give oh my idevice it has more apps in its appstore b.s.

geneven 2010-09-06 20:24

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You seem to have me confused with the Maemo community.

Did you ever try answering a question? Have you tried the keyboard? That is what my question was. I think the N900 non-hardware keyboard is lousy. Is the keyboard for the Archos better?


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