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CodeNote 2010-09-11 22:02
bad news from nokia today
 
today i phoned nokia to enquire about the n900 and the guy there said the n900 will be discontinued.

i feel gutted as i only had the phone for some months.. less than a year and nokia is dropping it like just cooked eggs.

it would of been better to have just donated my 6000kr to them instead. the n900 must be the shortest lived phone ever produced.

well i know this for a fact i wont be buying anyother nokia phone till its bedded in properly i dont care what the next phone can do... even if it can make breakfast, dinner, and create beer i aint buying.... nokia aint catching me like this again.

so what will you lot do ?
install android ?
continue using the n900?
sell?
or will you run out and get the next nokia model?

ZootHornRollo 2010-09-11 22:08
Re: bad news from nokia today
 
currently happy with what i have but if the opportunity presents itself (vodafone data charging) i will no doubt go out and get something else. not convinced by android but like it. iphone is temping but not tempting at the same time.

...then there WinMo 7 and whatever that brings to the table.

choices choices....

i'd like to think i'll stick with the N900 till at least the new year.

Grok 2010-09-11 22:10
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Be thankful I got one before they stopped selling them, then enjoy it until it breaks or it is no longer useful to me.:)

RossTuck 2010-09-11 22:11
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Me, well I'll be buying up any N900 I can get my hands on, so that I have a supply of this device to last me for years to come.

theonelaw 2010-09-11 22:19
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Immediately go out and buy two more and some spare batteries.
The n900 is still a year later the most hackable thing on the market,
thanks to the people right here - everyone here made it that way.
It will be another two or three years before anything
even remotely as friendly hits the market.
Meego may never get airborne until the people in charge
have a device (handset) that is not vaporware.
And if the new boy in charge opts for Android or Win7
then we will be left hanging - and that is exactly what big firms
do to developer communities - the first thing to be pruned from
any market segment is hobbyist and enthusiasts
in favor of Joe-thick-as-a-brick-Sixpack and his ready cash
for a closed-system black box that does only what it is sold for.

Enjoy it while it lasts and keep it clean, dry, and carefully charged.
And remember the community here is one of a kind.

br1zer 2010-09-11 22:20
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The N900 is nowhere near the shortest lived phone.

.I still think it's geektastic and have no plans to change!

NokTokDaddy 2010-09-11 22:22
Re: bad news from nokia today
 
Why should there be no future for N900 just because its being discontinued?

The useful lifetime of this amazing device is largely in the hands of the Maemo community now, so I expect my N900 will be keepig me busy for a while yet!

I'm currently trying out the excellent BlessN900 camera app with HDR have just learnt how to install and change fonts - I can't begin to imagine what I might be able to do in 12M time.

I'm not a 'Developer' or computer adept, but I am prepared to get in there and have a go. The N900 rewards this in ways no other device on the market can.

Despite Nokia(!) I get ore enthusiastic aout the future for N900 and Maemo every day.

attila77 2010-09-11 22:25
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Wait, what is the problem here ? Even if they stop selling it, all the software is still there and Extras will still get new stuff it's getting now, Qt apps are still backportable (we in fact have a newer Qt than the brand spanking new N8), and the N900 *is* going to be continued to be used as the reference HW for MeeGo. So, what is the new, worrying information here ? Maybe the guy just wanted to say they won't sell it any more in a given country, which is a different story.

chase15 2010-09-11 22:25
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-.- idc with that news... n900 got everything i need on a phone ryt now.. so, im lucky i have it...

mikecomputing 2010-09-11 22:25
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today? its saturday? :s

also "will be" discontinued every phone will be discontinued :) soo I just wonder how long time before its discontinued thats a difference.

looks like many people here in sweden prefer shitty android like many americans too but I will for sure continue use "reallinux" on my N900 atleast until Nokia release next linux computerphone.

Infact N900 still is a killercomputerphone even if nokia themselfs doesnt really understand it :)

It has not the best "phone funtionality" but that was not why I bought it.

gabby131 2010-09-11 22:38
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i consider myself very luck then. if they discontinue n900, then we, who owns it, are the only ones have an n900. dont ya think? :D

bandora 2010-09-11 23:00
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So they will discontinue selling the phone, but that doesn't mean it's dead... You totally forgot about this community! There's a MeeGo-HE coming to the N900 + lots of QT goodies coming to the N900 all thanks to N8 + many other new Nokia phones.. so yeah..

gerbick 2010-09-11 23:01
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Meh. Continued sales are overrated.

Continued and official support though? Different beast altogether.

Good luck on that last one. Mine should be here in a week.

Yep. NokiaUSA said they'd give me that $199 price even despite the probs ordering one earlier during that promotion.

int_ua 2010-09-11 23:03
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gabby131 (Post 813702)
i consider myself very luck then. if they discontinue n900, then we, who owns it, are the only ones have an n900. dont ya think? :D
Don't think so.
We need community.

afaq 2010-09-11 23:06
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so if anyone comes across super duper cheap n900's please holla. i want at least one more as a back up. my current one is the 8210.

int_ua 2010-09-11 23:06
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 813718)
Yep. NokiaUSA said they'd give me that $199 price even despite the probs ordering one earlier during that promotion.
waitwaitwait, are you saying that you've got N900 for $199???

pycage 2010-09-11 23:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CodeNote (Post 813675)
it would of been better to have just donated my 6000kr to them instead. the n900 must be the shortest lived phone ever produced.
please: would've ("would of" is so wrong and reading it hurts every time)

Why all this panicking? The smartphone market is the shortest lived market right now. The N900 is now a year old which is already a long time for a smartphone. And it's only getting worse with the accelerating pace of development.

If Nokia discontinues the phone then this means that it's no longer produced. Did you want to buy a second one or why do you worry then, since you already have one.
Firmware updates may still happen, or maybe not
And since most applications don't come from Nokia, you don't have to worry about them either.

YoDude 2010-09-11 23:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CodeNote (Post 813675)
today i phoned nokia to enquire about the n900 and the guy there said the n900 will be discontinued.

i feel gutted as i only had the phone for some months.. less than a year and nokia is dropping it like just cooked eggs.

it would of been better to have just donated my 6000kr to them instead. the n900 must be the shortest lived phone ever produced.

well i know this for a fact i wont be buying anyother nokia phone till its bedded in properly i dont care what the next phone can do... even if it can make breakfast, dinner, and create beer i aint buying.... nokia aint catching me like this again.

so what will you lot do ?
install android ?
continue using the n900?
sell?
or will you run out and get the next nokia model?
Can I ask where did you phone Nokia? ...and whom did you speak with?

CodeNote 2010-09-12 00:03
Re: bad news from nokia today
 
english is my second language. im not panicking neither am i worried.
yes i love my n900.... if you read my previous post you will see that im developing for the n900.

i was just stating on how i FELT when i heard the news.....

by the way nokia is closed to the public but not all of nokia staff leaves the building. some do work on projects that requires time on satdays and sundays and yes i do have a number or two to contact people on.

you read my previous posts you will notice that i have bought or recieved all the latest phone on the market... yes i do have them all..... and like i said in previous posts.... the n900 is what i use everyday...

peace
CN

fergusso 2010-09-12 00:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CodeNote (Post 813675)
today i phoned nokia to enquire about the n900 and the guy there said the n900 will be discontinued.

i feel gutted as i only had the phone for some months.. less than a year and nokia is dropping it like just cooked eggs.

it would of been better to have just donated my 6000kr to them instead. the n900 must be the shortest lived phone ever produced.

well i know this for a fact i wont be buying anyother nokia phone till its bedded in properly i dont care what the next phone can do... even if it can make breakfast, dinner, and create beer i aint buying.... nokia aint catching me like this again.

so what will you lot do ?
install android ?
continue using the n900?
sell?
or will you run out and get the next nokia model?
I have the exact sentiments with Nokia. no matter what spec the next flagship is, I wont buy Nokia again.

maluka 2010-09-12 01:07
Re: bad news from nokia today
 
My N800 was discontinued years ago but I still use it almost daily and it's still amazing with excellent build quality (Made in Finland). A lot of people are still amazed by what it can do but not in Finland unfortunately :D My wife will get the N8 so I will have something new to play with soon ;)

I'll see what the N9 shapes up to be. I love the larger screen but I'm not looking forward to going back to a capacitive screen after the iPhone.

I think I'll be sticking with the N900. It has everything I need. The N800 is still getting app updates and even new apps after all these years so I expect the N900 to do the same, not to mention all the Qt apps and games coming our way soon!

c:drive 2010-09-12 01:25
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"have the exact sentiments with Nokia. no matter what spec the next flagship is, I wont buy Nokia again."
:eek:

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

YoDude 2010-09-12 02:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by CodeNote (Post 813745)
english is my second language. im not panicking neither am i worried.
yes i love my n900.... if you read my previous post you will see that im developing for the n900.

i was just stating on how i FELT when i heard the news.....

by the way nokia is closed to the public but not all of nokia staff leaves the building. some do work on projects that requires time on satdays and sundays and yes i do have a number or two to contact people on.

you read my previous posts you will notice that i have bought or recieved all the latest phone on the market... yes i do have them all..... and like i said in previous posts.... the n900 is what i use everyday...

peace
CN
What is your primary language so I can ask the question again?

Quo vadis, dude?

It's Saturday. Maybe this "guy" you talked to was the janitor or suttin' because the business week for most ended last night around 5 PM.

We just had a few members join from Brazil where the N900 was officially launched just two weeks ago on August 27. The price they would have paid was 1700 Real or about $970 USD.

>> http://www.telecompaper.com/news/art...spx?cid=753429

I wonder how they FEEL when they see your news that you heard from a "guy" at Nokia some where? :)

Maybe this guy was OPK his own dang self and he picked up the phone while he was packing up his stuff. Perhaps he wanted to get a few laughs on his way out the door as his way of saying, AMF's. :eek:

silvermountain 2010-09-12 02:59
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Quote:
Originally Posted by attila77 (Post 813688)
Wait, what is the problem here ? Even if they stop selling it, all the software is still there and Extras will still get new stuff it's getting now.
I think one of the concerns, and often rightfully so, is that the end of an OS (no further support from the manufacturer) means that third-party developers of 'commercial grade' applications (and yes, there are of course some apps that are free and rivals commercial ones) will have no interest in updating and/or releasing products for the platform. That became evident really quickly for for instance the N810 and support of applications such as Skype.

For Maemo5 it will mean the same now. Games is a good example as high quality games (graphics, stable, etc) are very hard to get outside of the commercial, larger companies. There might well be Qt ports, community developments, etc but closed-source, commercial applications will now not come to any Maemo platform.

I know that it's popular to say that 'the phone still works the same in 6 months as it does today' - but for some people community development and hacks/mods are not enough as they also value products outside of what an open source community on a small platform can deliver. For those people a discontinuation of a phone (and in this particular case - an OS at the same time) does indeed make it much less valuable. How many times can one really play Angry Birds and sit by and watch mainstream applications and games come to your iOS, Android platforms - and not feel left out?

I'm not saying that community development and ooen sourced apps and games are bad - some are very, very good but I think it's unfair to continue to repeat that tired chant 'the phone will still continue to work' as there are more aspects than that to consider.

YoDude 2010-09-12 03:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by silvermountain (Post 813804)
I think one of the concerns, and often rightfully so, is that the end of an OS (no further support from the manufacturer) means that third-party developers of 'commercial grade' applications (and yes, there are of course some apps that are free and rivals commercial ones) will have no interest in updating and/or releasing products for the platform. That became evident really quickly for for instance the N810 and support of applications such as Skype.

For Maemo5 it will mean the same now. Games is a good example as high quality games (graphics, stable, etc) are very hard to get outside of the commercial, larger companies. There might well be Qt ports, community developments, etc but closed-source, commercial applications will now not come to any Maemo platform.

I know that it's popular to say that 'the phone still works the same in 6 months as it does today' - but for some people community development and hacks/mods are not enough as they also value products outside of what an open source community on a small platform can deliver. For those people a discontinuation of a phone (and in this particular case - an OS at the same time) does indeed make it much less valuable. How many times can one really play Angry Birds and sit by and watch mainstream applications and games come to your iOS, Android platforms - and not feel left out?

I'm not saying that community development and ooen sourced apps and games are bad - some are very, very good but I think it's unfair to continue to repeat that tired chant 'the phone will still continue to work' as there are more aspects than that to consider.
...and reports of the N900's death may be greatly exaggerated. :)

SAABoy 2010-09-12 03:19
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I hate to sound like a mindless N900 fanboy, but, it really doesn't concern me whether my phone stops being sold by the manufacturer... I probably won't keep my N900 as long as some people here have been using their 770/800/810... But I did buy another one when I saw the $200 deal through nokiausa. Need to send in my rebate now :)

silvermountain 2010-09-12 03:20
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Quote:
Originally Posted by YoDude (Post 813809)
...and reports of the N900's death may be greatly exaggerated. :)
Sure, but if it's today or in 4-5 months from now the above still stands.

olighak 2010-09-12 03:41
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Quote:
Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 813718)
Meh. Continued sales are overrated.

Continued and official support though? Different beast altogether.

Good luck on that last one. Mine should be here in a week.

Yep. NokiaUSA said they'd give me that $199 price even despite the probs ordering one earlier during that promotion.
Let me know how that rebate goes for you. My flip-swap phone has been with them for a week according to USPS and Nokia still hasn´t acknowledged receiving it.

traysh 2010-09-12 03:44
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Quote:
Originally Posted by YoDude (Post 813794)
We just had a few members join from Brazil where the N900 was officially launched just two weeks ago on August 27. The price they would have paid was 1700 Real or about $970 USD.

>> http://www.telecompaper.com/news/art...spx?cid=753429

I wonder how they FEEL when they see your news that you heard from a "guy" at Nokia some where? :),
I'm from Brazil and I can say it happened before, as far as I remember N810 didn't last 6 months after they started selling it here. In fact, there were no updates to it's OS after it was launched. For N900, there was no great advertising, Ovi Store still don't have any paid apps, and I never saw it in any store (just online) so don't think it's going to be different, thought I really hope it will.
Anyway, community is still mantaining N800 and N810 OS, an update was launched recently. Maybe that will happen to N900 too, if all the devellopers don't buy the next phone and forget about the olders (see nitdroid for N8X0).

urayford 2010-09-12 03:56
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I have to agree with silvermountain, I'm not criticizing the N900 but I cannot see holding on to it now. I remember a few months ago when this was all talk and no one believed it would happen, well it has. I'm not sure of my next phone, maybe I will go back to my N95, maybe I shouldn't have left it.

traysh 2010-09-12 04:02
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Quote:
Originally Posted by urayford (Post 813830)
I have to agree with silvermountain, I'm not criticizing the N900 but I cannot see holding on to it now. I remember a few months ago when this was all talk and no one believed it would happen, well it has. I'm not sure of my next phone, maybe I will go back to my N95, maybe I shouldn't have left it.
What? I see no reason for that. In what is N95 better than N900?

Bobbe 2010-09-12 04:10
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Quote:
Originally Posted by traysh (Post 813827)
I'm from Brazil and I can say it happened before, as far as I remember N810 didn't last 6 months after they started selling it here. In fact, there were no updates to it's OS after it was launched. For N900, there was no great advertising, Ovi Store still don't have any paid apps, and I never saw it in any store (just online) so don't think it's going to be different, thought I really hope it will.
Anyway, community is still mantaining N800 and N810 OS, an update was launched recently. Maybe that will happen to N900 too, if all the devellopers don't buy the next phone and forget about the olders (see nitdroid for N8X0).
Brazilian here, too, though I've been in the forum for a while now (used to have an N800).

In any case, the reason I bought the N800 was because they were emptying it up for the N810 (I bought it for something less than $200 at the time and got a free router with it :D), but I bought the N900 because the N800 made me want a lot for Maemo, a good portion of which was (somewhat) delivered by the N900. I knew it had a short life-span as far as Nokia support went, and honestly, coming from the 3GS, I miss some stuff. I do feel left out from a lot of the fun, even if the hackability of the N900 is still unrivaled in its hardware-niche tier.

The reason I'm not mad I spent 400 dollars in it? (Some of you will probably not like it): Nitdroid.

And yes, the phone does cost around $1000 if I buy it in Brazil, I just had a friend bring it from the states.

olighak 2010-09-12 04:13
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Quote:
Originally Posted by traysh (Post 813832)
What? I see no reason for that. In what is N95 better than N900?
I´m sticking with the N900 for the next 2 years since I´ve invested so heavily in it, accessories and alike.

But I do miss my N95-1. Even after having the N900 for 9.5 months.

The N95 was just so epic.........

HellFlyer 2010-09-12 04:42
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Quote:
and create beer i aint buying
:eek::eek::eek::eek::eek:

vivek5000 2010-09-12 05:53
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I have 5000 box packed N900 handsets.. So if anyone is interested in buying, let me know.. Delivery worldwide.. Price $499 incl. tax and delivery..

vivmak 2010-09-12 05:59
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Its a kinda funny... three days ago I visited Nokia website and found that the n900 is not being offered for sale on their website, then I visited dell and couldn't find it there either. I then posted on the forum asking people if they new if it has been discontinued and the response was so emotional that I couldn't believe, people said various things from bad to not so good but all good thing about n900 itself. rumor is that n900 us being replaced with n9.

I want to sell this device now that it is more apparent through this thread that n900 is EOL. This community is good but Nokia is bad, started to hate it since I bought previous phone (5800) and now n900 recently ( just a month ago) after having used its other phones for over 10 years.

Not sure what to buy though, its getting confusing ever, go back to the continuously hanging Symbion but feature rich (out of the box) or Android ???? :mad:

Tiboric 2010-09-12 06:31
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All I can say is be like this guy and just have some fun with your device.

attila77 2010-09-12 07:30
Re: bad news from nokia today
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by silvermountain (Post 813804)
I think one of the concerns, and often rightfully so, is that the end of an OS (no further support from the manufacturer) means that third-party developers of 'commercial grade' applications (and yes, there are of course some apps that are free and rivals commercial ones) will have no interest in updating and/or releasing products for the platform. That became evident really quickly for for instance the N810 and support of applications such as Skype.

For Maemo5 it will mean the same now. Games is a good example as high quality games (graphics, stable, etc) are very hard to get outside of the commercial, larger companies. There might well be Qt ports, community developments, etc but closed-source, commercial applications will now not come to any Maemo platform.
I'll ask again, in what way is it different from the situation before the OP's fateful phone call ? Sadly, it's not exactly like until now these 'commercial grade' developers were rushing to make Maemo versions of their apps. If they ever change their mind (with MeeGo and/or MeeGo-Harmattan devices), that will not be due to the status of the N900. New apps will be written with Qt anyway and Qt IS present AND being updated on the N900.

Quote:
platform can deliver. For those people a discontinuation of a phone (and in this particular case - an OS at the same time) does
No, that is not correct. The OS is not said to be discontinued, even the original post says nothing about the OS. Unless you mean discontinued as in 'on one cloudy day in the distant future' in which case, of course, every OS will be discontinued...

Quote:
indeed make it much less valuable. How many times can one really play Angry Birds and sit by and watch mainstream applications and games come to your iOS, Android platforms - and not feel left out?
The number of devices sold and state of the Ovi store has a far more profound effect on software vendors than device discontinuation. The original iPhone or Nokia N95, (and to pick a popular 2009 entry) HTC Hero got EOL-d a long time ago and people still write apps for them, even if it's far more difficult to do than it will be for MeeGo software to come to the N900.

myeyegooogles 2010-09-12 07:33
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Quote:
Originally Posted by RossTuck (Post 813681)
Me, well I'll be buying up any N900 I can get my hands on, so that I have a supply of this device to last me for years to come.

yeah at least two more when people start sellin it for cheap!

myeyegooogles 2010-09-12 07:37
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Quote:
Originally Posted by vivek5000 (Post 813869)
I have 5000 box packed N900 handsets.. So if anyone is interested in buying, let me know.. Delivery worldwide.. Price $499 incl. tax and delivery..
ill buy one for $50 bucks...


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