Looks like Nokia really started to change :)
 

Guys take a look at this article :)

http://arstechnica.com/open-source/n...-important.ars



A lot of people including myself were surprised that during Nokia World MeeGo device was not announced but after reading this article and what new CTO (Rich Green) said it makes sense and to be honest I'm happy:)

p.s. Maybe we will see some love towards N900 from Nokia's new exec team? I wonder if council would consider asking Nokia about bringing offical MeeGo to N900. All bold decisions regarding N900 were made by previous execs afterall :cool:

p.s.s. Those who are too lazy to read whole article here is the part I liked the most

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YES! Thank you! I believe he has the RIGHT idea. Bubbling up anticipation just to dash all hopes by failing to deliver on all the hype ruins things. It's better to simply announce something new almost as soon as it is ready for purchasing. This also gives them the opportunity for last-minute tweaks or changes without stirring up discussions about how they failed at something--and so a last-minute tweak was needed. It helps to save face. My only concern is whether they'll take advantage of that to actually compete, and whether they'll bother to even seek opinions on what makes a product that people want instead of plowing ahead with making what they THINK people want.

On the whole.. I agree that it's good news!

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"Cause frustration" = consumers not interested in buying what's being released?
:)

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i have to admit: it really helped when preorderers started nagging a year ago about the delays.
Now the absolute time is exactly the same than before but you just don't know about device x before first trucks are loaded in the factory...

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This reminds me of a particular other tech company... hmm... wait, no,... I had its name on my tongue, but it's now gone.

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nope, consumers don't want to wait after something is released, they want to go to store next morning and buy the ann. device...

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Yeah, we don't want another Apple that TELLS their users how to think. "why would you NEED multitasking?" "Look at this fantastic NEW feature! You can now multitask!"

Bring on the MeeGo love!

slaapliedje

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haha, I almost slipped it myself but that is probably how people really like it: protected from themselves and someone is having full control. Something like piano teacher has 2 hands on your shoulders or similar ;)

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lol

Can we get some stats from Reggie... what are the %age of threads that has reference to Apple or iPhone in this forum?

There's some variant of godwin law going on here that any thread that goes on long enough will get apple creep in the end.

Obviously, any thread that references 'market', 'competition' or starts off on an idiotic trajectory will get its Apple on the first page.

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I swear honey I will never hurt you again just open the door, I've changed..

SMACK...

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The shake up at Nokia is reassuring, but I'm torn on whether I like it or not. On the one hand Nokia focused on hardware first and software last. The hardware (to include the asethetics) are one of the main reasons I gravitated to Nokia smartphones, that and I didn't like the current iteration of iOs at the time.

I agree Nokia has been living under a rock, and their approach to competition was just ******ed. The N9 really breathes new hope into me. If they really push hard with Meego, and fullfill some of the promises they've made, I think they can learn from this and bounce back in regards to being relevant in an increasingly important market of the industry. The revenue Apple makes off of their app store alone justifies this competency.

So Nokia, embrace the new leadership, and lets see what you can do, and thanks for not telling us about it until after it's done.

2d

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I think that Nokia needs to be blabbier, not more disciplined. It might want to convey the feeling that it is part of a community with users. That is not characterized by refusal to talk or discuss plans.

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Hazy statements that "We're not talking about MeeGo because MeeGo devices aren't shipping yet" don't sound positive to me. More like "We're not talking MeeGo because we may be hoping you'll forget we ever mentioned it."

Since hiring Elop, I still haven't heard any statement from anyone supporting MeeGo. If Nokia is still serious about MeeGo they really need to make it perfectly clear. Someone should've already said - in strong, clear language - something to the effect of "MeeGo developers, future users, fear not! Hiring a wanker from M$ does not and will not change our commitment to MeeGo or Qt."

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If they are not serious about MeeGo, they will shoot themselves on foot. Badly. With device shipping in 4 or 5 months there is no way they could create anything to replace it, should MeeGo devices be cancelled. Only options would be to move on with Win7 or Android, both lacking support for Qt and moving all development initiative out of Nokia's hands. So, going on with MeeGo is really only viable option for Nokia. It's unfortunate that many analysts seem to be in love with Android and see it as a panacea to solve every single problem Nokia has, one touted openly that Elop should change Nokia to use Android. That moment I thought someone really has shoved his head deep in his own a***...

However, I believe Elop knows this also, so I'm not that worried about the future of MeeGo. The way has been set already, Elop's job will be to refine Nokia's software development and practices to get things done efficiently and right. Nokia really cannot afford to flop on MeeGo, if that happens there is absolutely nothing saving them from total annihilation in (mostly american) media. Unfortunately, I think Nokia will never get praises even if it does things right... to me it seems like there is too deep cultural and philosophical difference.

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No this is the wrong way to go. What they need is more discipline on the release schedule. Maybe be clearer in their messages outwards. And have better connection with the community.

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For an idea of how serious they are you should have been keeping track of the MeeGo developer mailing list or the huge recruitment drive they've had for Qt developers via Linkedin since the start of the year. It's actually been increasing over the last months. Just look at the recent hiring of Skillman as an example. It shows they are not playing around.

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honestly if nokia now pulled out of meego, I think they would be regarded as a joke.

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I don't think Nokia would be that stupid.....

...actually, you never know.

Nokia cannot afford to screw-up Meego - there just isn't enough margin-of-error for them to make any mistakes.

Nokia need to start "hyping" Meego and generate enough buzz to get Developers interested.

Nokia need to think long-term with Meego its now the only chance they have left of competing in the smartphone sector.

They funny thing is they developed maemo to the point of stability and then decided to go with something new. This was a big mistake and now there is an enormous amount of pressure for them to produce something and do it fast.

Nokia need to understand that their Symbian products are not the answer to thier long-term growth. People are now expecting much more from their mobile phones.

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Conclusion: Don't look for the future, buy our new Symbian Devices, NOW!

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This strategy is working well... thanks to the N900. The N900 being so powerful and easily overclockable makes the wait for the N9 a lot less painful. Compare this to the transition from the n810 which was released with a 3 year old hardware to the N900. I am really happy that no Meego device was announced and even more satisfied with my N900 as it helps me to use it more extensively.

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You didnt read the article, did you? :)

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So if the MeeGo devices were on schedule, that strategy wouldn't be working well... because the early adopters (who went for the N900) would still be satisfied with their N900s and it will lessen the new device's sales numbers? (:

I agree that the Cortex A8 is a robust platform for mobile device... and maemo is/has always been flexible and extensible... and the N900 is a great fusion of both of that. But to say that 'this strategy is working well'.... well, it doesn't seem like something that was well planned from the start.

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How successful was Sun at Software again? I remember Rich Green trying to sell JavaFX. Let's hope he has more success at Nokia.

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First of all the hype around MeeGo is pretty big.. and what? they decided to go with something new?? MeeGo isn't "new" in a sense.... It's really what Maemo + Moblin is right now + more.. (Since Moblin and Maemo were really similar in many ways).. Also it's a really good thing that MeeGo is being developed NOT just by Nokia but also Intel.. and finally MeeGo should be more open than Maemo which is also a plus.. so it's really not a "big mistake" it's more of a "big advantange".

Not to mention that the N9 will have the Harmattan software on it.. so it really is Maemo 6...

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so ux(or what was it? Something essential anyway) chief from palm to nokias meego project is nothing?

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With apologies...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_aRtWaHwzGw

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Nice. Next to perfect. This is exactly why the N900 is such a great fail. Now, negate everything you said and substitute /ARM11, Symbian, N97/ for /Cortex A8, maemo, N900/, and we nearly have the perfect explanation why the N97 was such a bad fail.

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How about HUGELY successful? Solaris, Java, OpenOffice, MySQL, VirtualBox. Their business was worth many BILLIONS of dollars. WTF?

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It is very hard to actually compare both Sun and Nokia.

First, the hardware: If you think that Sun and Nokia would provide the OS free. The amount of cell phones sold are much higher if you compare to the amount servers sold, simply because everyone needs a phone. Plus the kind of OS development (I might be talking BS here) required for a Server seems to me to be much more money hungry than a mobile OS.
Symbian development, and even more now with Linux/Maemo/Meego, the costs are spread thin across different vendors
/companies. Which other partners had Sun in developing Solaris? Sure they didnt come from IBM or HP.

Second, services: Besides technical help what else could Sun sell as a service? 100€ certifications? Nokia has a much broader service range that could be monetized (could be, but are not properly, if at all). On the top of that there is Ovi Store and (if rumors are true) they will start data mining our asses so much that they will know the last time you ate chilli.

Sun had a huge portfolio of software that from night to day was almost entirely open sourced and almost no help from outside.

Just for this only point Nokia/intel has proved to be more successful with MeeGo.

Dont you agree?

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Commodore?

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Must be Commodore--he said it's now gone. ;)

I'm joking.

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Pfft. Y'all talking about Atari again?

Cue Bladerunner curse...

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Yeah, as time goes by trust evaporates. Then even those in their corner start to turn.

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Systems integration would the be obvious ones.

None of the "Ovi services" are even vaguely competent or competitive, with the exception of Maps. But since Maps has been made free to compete with Google even their single potential revenue earner is gone. Furthermore they need to continue pumping money into developing Maps if they want to continue competing with Google Maps.

Now that's desperate!

Nokia are sickly obsessed with market studies and metrics. Buried in all that meaningless data they can't see the forest for the trees. Most of what they need to know is right there in their forums - act on people's complaints (and by act I don't mean censoring people who criticise Nokia or their products).