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Airtux 2010-10-05 22:15

Bada OS for N900?
 
hello,

It's possible to ported Bada OS for the N900? it's a Linux OS?

sorry if my question is stupid...

Thanks

LucianoBraga 2010-10-06 01:38

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
BADA OS is closed source.

Airtux 2010-10-06 02:09

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Ok thanks for your reply.

bchliu 2010-10-07 10:40

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
urgh.. yuck

maluka 2010-10-07 11:00

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
http://www.lostrepublic.us/Graphics/DoubleFacePalm.jpg

Kangal 2010-10-08 04:18

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
The Samsung Wave owners have one of the best smartphones in the world, and they have a really great OS aswell ... but they lust after the Apps and features that Android brings.

I don't see why an N900 should get Bada, especially since Bada users are trying to make the jump to Android
http://darkforestgroup.com/area51/fo...=active_topics

(and yes a Wave costs about 40% the price of an iPhone4, despite its many strengths)

LucianoBraga 2010-10-08 11:22

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Wave uses the Samsung Hummingbird CPU, as Galaxy S. A great piece of hardware, indeed.

nax3000 2010-10-10 00:59

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LucianoBraga (Post 836271)
Wave uses the Samsung Hummingbird CPU, as Galaxy S. A great piece of hardware, indeed.

Isn't it just a rebranded cortex A8? Like apple's "A4"?

rickysio 2010-10-10 01:47

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by nax3000 (Post 837441)
Isn't it just a rebranded cortex A8? Like apple's "A4"?

No. Customized by Intrinsity.

patlak 2010-10-10 02:12

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rickysio (Post 837453)
No. Customized by Intrinsity.

It still is a Cortex A8 ;)

Kangal 2010-10-10 09:08

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Yeah but it's [Hummingbird] been customized to perform better.
Think of it as a 1.1GHz Cortex A8 with SGX540 (drools)

now if you think that doesn't matter, compare it to the Snapdragon.
This is a completely modified SoC (not an ARM Cortex A8) and it performs below a 1GHz Cortex A8's standard (I think more at 880MHz). Also it combines a much slower Adreno 200 GPU (comparable to a SGX530).

So the Nexus One and Samsung Galaxy S are actually on the opposing sides of the Cortex A8 performance, but with Android's java implementation, both chips perform quite close (probably cause HTC's software implementation is better).

rickysio 2010-10-10 09:10

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Kangal (Post 837557)
Yeah but it's been customized to perform better.
Think of it as a 1.1GHz Cortex A8 with SGX540 (drools)

now if you think that doesn't matter, compare it to the Snapdragon.
It's a completely modified SoC performs below a 1GHz Cortex A8's standard (I think more at 880MHz) and it combines a Adreno 200 GPU (comparable to a SGX530).

So the Nexus One and Samsung Galaxy S are on the opposing sides of the Cortex A8 performance, but with Android's java implementation, both chips perform quite close (since HTC's software implementation is better).

It's not comparable to a SGX530. It's much inferior to a SGX530. Adreno 205 is then comparable to SGX530.

Kangal 2010-10-10 11:54

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by rickysio (Post 837559)
It's not comparable to a SGX530. It's much inferior to a SGX530. Adreno 205 is then comparable to SGX530.

My bad it should've written SGX520. However, the Snapdragon is not as straightforward as this. The Adreno 200 (or AMD z430) should sustain theoretical speeds of around 7Mpoly/sec (relative to the SGX520), it has been advertised that the QSD SoC can achieve 28Mpoly/sec.
What this points to is that for graphics its likely that both CPU and GPU play major roles in processing the images instead of the traditional where the GPU does the work and the CPU stays idle. I actually prefer the traditional method because I think it leaves some overhead for multitasking and saves on battery.
But the real point I should make, the QSD should never be able to hit 28Mpoly/sec, it should only do about half due to the RAM limitations. There are many posts on the internet that claim the Motorola Droid has better graphics in Market games, and now its easy to know why.

Refer to arstechnica for more info
This site is also useful: http://sean-the-electrofreak.blogspo...agon-1ghz.html

elie-7 2010-10-10 12:10

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by patlak (Post 837460)
It still is a Cortex A8 ;)

your right, our n900 overclocked at 1ghz is a hummingbird .:D:D

bchliu 2010-10-11 09:56

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Excellent hardware - but whats the use if there is hardly any software that will make use of it?

efekt 2010-10-11 10:31

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Why on earth would someone want BADA on his N900? :confused:

LucianoBraga 2010-10-11 13:41

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by efekt (Post 838281)
Why on earth would someone want BADA on his N900? :confused:

Just because, theoretically, it can be done.

" - Hey, I have a helluva operational systems on my N900! "
And don't care if they are irrelevant.

Can't see another explanation.

efekt 2010-10-11 19:11

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by LucianoBraga (Post 838386)
Just because, theoretically, it can be done.

" - Hey, I have a helluva operational systems on my N900! "
And don't care if they are irrelevant.

Can't see another explanation.

Yup... probably the ONLY reason now...

bchliu 2010-10-12 11:48

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Its... "BECAUSE YOU CAN"..

Lets have a competition of who can run the most OS's from a single N900!!

kureyon 2010-10-12 13:11

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
There are some things you shouldn't do, even if you can.

zifis 2010-10-12 13:18

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
BADA BOOM, TSSssssss...

volt 2010-10-12 13:30

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
One reason to want Bada on the N900 would be to test it. Another would be if you have given up on Maemo 5 and MeeGo@N900 as future proof options but would like to keep the N900 anyway.

If you don't compare against anything but the Iphone, you end up building an Iphone copy.

Joseph9560 2010-10-12 14:30

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
1. we are running out of apps and games as compared to other oses and addition of bada may add up some more app and games(which is definately less at the moment but since wave seems to be doing business well, number of apps and games may just grow up).
2. Show off the power of n900.
3. Hey lets try something without buying it.

But since bada is not open sourced, there's no way we can expect to get one. If we can expect bada, it will apply for windows phone 7, iphone, blackberry, webos and what not.

Btw, what about porting symbian^3!! I am pretty sure it would be more appreciated than nitdroid since many n900 users are from symbian background and they generally feel lacking some symbian app. (I know v3,v5 apps won't work but seems like many apps are being ported to symbian^3). That way symbian users wont have to leave symbian to get n900. Has anyone thought of porting symbian^3. I hope its as open as android to let users port it to n900.

Kangal 2010-10-13 07:31

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Symbian v3 .... I don't know but its possible.
But I think people working on nitdroid shouldn't jump onto a Symbian project since MeeGo (and Qt) will bring those applications from Symbian to the N900 anyway ... its the Android apps that will be left behind, so nitdroid makes a lot of sense!

I actually hope the froyo update comes to the Motorola Milestone and also includes a flaw to bypass the bootloader like on the Droid. It would be good for those Milestone owners to get real Custom ROMs, aswell as actually getting the right resources to complete Nitdroid :D

marmistrz 2011-06-13 18:17

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
wait
this is linux after all
so we find the kernel
add entry to multiboot
and we're happy as a frog :D

marmistrz 2011-07-03 19:20

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Give me ROM and I'll try during vacation!

ericsson 2011-07-03 19:46

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Yes yes yes :D

Bada for the N900 !!!

It's not Linux by the way, it's a RTOS called Nucleus, and it rox :D

But, I'm sure it's not possible without some serious low level programming, and lots of it. It will never happen :(

lma 2011-07-04 07:06

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ericsson (Post 1044057)
It's not Linux by the way, it's a RTOS called Nucleus

The platform is kernel-agnostic actually.

9000 2011-07-04 07:43

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
@ericsson I'm shocked to know that someone knows a little bit more in Bada than you. You always show your unconditional love toward Bada that would make one believe you're the Bada itself in self-awareness form.

Now I can't describe the vast disappointment bursting inside out of me...

petur 2011-07-04 07:53

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Bada sucks... seriously. Their API is completely home-made, complete with nested C++ namespaces, just like those idiots at Nintendo.

So you basically have to rewrite a big bunch of your app from scratch, no easy porting.

I wonder who wants to write/port any app for that stupid platform anyway. And the OS is a stable as a pile of sand. You can make the whole phone crash just like that. When it gets low on resources, it offers to close all apps, which includes the main menu! So after that, you might as well reboot the phone. Silly.

ericsson 2011-07-04 08:04

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by lma (Post 1044247)
The platform is kernel-agnostic actually.

Yes well, in theory it is just like any other UI is. Nucleus is the OS used by Samsung on all their dumbphones. Bada is developed specifically to run on that OS because Samsung want a light weight smartphone os o run on less expensive hardware.

Bada platform has some open source (open bsd or free bsd) components, but that's it as far as open source is concerned.

Read about Bada on the official Bada servers for info and sdk and everything. Then you will see the wikipage is speculative at best.

marmistrz 2011-07-04 08:25

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
has anybody a ROM after all?

petur 2011-07-04 09:35

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
it's as locked down as you can get. I have a 1.0 device for development that I can't upgrade to 1.2 because the operator has it locked down. Upgrading goes via a PC program (Samsung Kies).

prankster 2011-09-26 15:06

Re: Bada OS for N900?
 
has any one any idea of Limo ,since it is GTK based ,can it offer any help ?
here http://opensource.limofoundation.org...en-source.html


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