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cstryon 2010-10-08 06:29
Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Is anyone else a little annoyed that the new Firefox 4 beta for maemo, is only for fremantle. I shouldn't be surprised, but I am frustrated. Our Fennec is a joke. And don't tell me it's because of the legacy devices, Opera runs just fine on maemo 4. Give me better fennec, or give me the firefox 4 beta. I guess I just expected more from mozilla. :/

hordeman 2010-10-08 06:57
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.o.../binary-armel/

phedders 2010-10-08 11:08
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Oh thats mean - spoiling a good rant!

sdesai 2010-10-08 11:44
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
http://www.mozilla.com/en-US/m/beta

albright 2010-10-08 12:13
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
On my old n810, fennec requires updates of many packages, but sadly these updates are not automatically provided anymore. Is there an easy way to update n810?

engige 2010-10-08 12:55
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
I have tried installing the Firefox 4 beta but the installed software details read 'Installed version:1.1' and 'Size: 32.9MB'. Is this the beta version? Am not very technical and need some guidance.

I first did an uninstall and then followed the link to download Firefox 4 beta. I still find the browser a bit cranky and still prefer MicroB.

heavyt 2010-10-08 13:23
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by albright (Post 836306)
On my old n810, fennec requires updates of many packages, but sadly these updates are not automatically provided anymore. Is there an easy way to update n810?
Likewise for me. :mad:

cstryon 2010-10-08 13:49
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hordeman (Post 836038)
Did this install on your n810? Mine won't install, looking for missing dependencies. As I understand, this is for n900, not the n8x0. Please tell me I am missing something.

EDIT: Ok so attempting that deb, I now see it is a chinook release. (which should work on OS2008 right?). Problem is the dependencies are not anywhere to be found. Anyone know where I can find them? And if you want to know what it's dependencies are, if you can tell me how to copy the list from application manager I will post them.

tso 2010-10-08 20:04
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
perhaps adding the chinook repos help?

never mind, this is probably fremantle only. among other things it wants is glib 2.20.0 or higher. If it was for chinook then diablo would by definition have satsfied that.

cstryon 2010-10-08 20:25
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
just to be sure we've covered all bases, how would I go about enabling chinook repos?

hordeman 2010-10-08 21:07
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
We're asking around on other forums about this. This is a chinook deb (as you can see from the URL path). We may need to email Mozilla directly to find out what is going on; the email in the package is mobile-feedback@mozilla.com.

cstryon 2010-10-08 21:55
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
That's a good Idea. The more emails they get, the more likely they'll want to do something about it.

senorsmile 2010-10-08 23:30
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Using n900...

I uninstalled my fennec 1.1 and went to the link to download and install firefox 4 beta. It also gave me the nonsense about it installing fennec 1.1, which is what I just uninstalled.

It just finished installing. I can confirm that this is most definitely NOT an upgraded version that gets installed when you confirm that prompt. I suspect that the installed version from the repos interfers or somehow overrides the repo that the link tries to add to give you access to the newer version. Has anyone gotten firefox 4 beta installed?

hordeman 2010-10-09 01:07
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by senorsmile (Post 836839)
Using n900...

I uninstalled my fennec 1.1 and went to the link to download and install firefox 4 beta. It also gave me the nonsense about it installing fennec 1.1, which is what I just uninstalled.

It just finished installing. I can confirm that this is most definitely NOT an upgraded version that gets installed when you confirm that prompt. I suspect that the installed version from the repos interfers or somehow overrides the repo that the link tries to add to give you access to the newer version. Has anyone gotten firefox 4 beta installed?
You should check this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63508

This forum is for OS2008. The n900 runs pr1.2 something or other. ;)

steven676 2010-10-10 00:24
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
The last Maemo 4 trunk build I see is from September 16: http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.o...entral-maemo4/
It looks like mozilla-central nightly builds for Maemo 4 were turned off after that date.

That particular build is broken because of Mozilla bug 579186. You can launch it if you copy /usr/lib/libstdc++.so.6 from the Fremantle armel SDK to /opt/mozilla/fennec-2.0b1pre on your device, but the result (on my N800 running Diablo) is quite frankly something that's too slow to be usable.

EDIT: Looks like Maemo 4 support has been dropped: http://starkravingfinkle.org/blog/20...#comment-10489 . Supposedly they will take patches to fix things, though a cursory look at the bug suggests it could be a build environment issue, not a code issue.

hordeman 2010-10-10 08:51
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Thank you for looking into this Steven676! Any ideas on how we can get people to fix this bug so we can move on to get those N810 builds? I'm feeling a bit disappointed here.

maacruz 2010-10-10 18:00
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
This hasn't been built with diablo/chinook:
Code:
Unpacking fennec (from fennec_4.0~b2~20101010010830_armel.deb) ...
dpkg: dependency problems prevent configuration of fennec:
 fennec depends on libasound2 (>> 1.0.18); however:
  Version of libasound2 on system is 1.0.14sa-2maemo2.
 fennec depends on libatk1.0-0 (>= 1.24.0); however:
  Version of libatk1.0-0 on system is 1.18.0-1osso5.
 fennec depends on libdbus-1-3 (>= 1.1.4); however:
  Version of libdbus-1-3 on system is 1.0.2-0osso14.
 fennec depends on libdbus-glib-1-2 (>= 0.76); however:
  Version of libdbus-glib-1-2 on system is 0.74-0osso7.
 fennec depends on libfontconfig1 (>= 2.6.0); however:
  Version of libfontconfig1 on system is 2.4.1-1osso5.
 fennec depends on libfreetype6 (>= 2.3.9); however:
  Version of libfreetype6 on system is 2.3.5-1osso1.
 fennec depends on libgcc1 (>= 1:4.2.1); however:
  Version of libgcc1 on system is 1:3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5.osso8.
 fennec depends on libglib2.0-0 (>= 2.20.0); however:
  Version of libglib2.0-0 on system is 2.12.12-1osso13.
 fennec depends on libgtk2.0-0 (>= 2:2.12.9-0osso1); however:
  Version of libgtk2.0-0 on system is 2:2.10.12-0osso36.
 fennec depends on libhildonfm2 (>= 1:2.28+0m5); however:
  Version of libhildonfm2 on system is 1:2.0.6.1.
 fennec depends on libhildonmime0 (>= 2.1.5); however:
  Version of libhildonmime0 on system is 2.0.2-1.
 fennec depends on libosso1 (>= 2.23); however:
  Version of libosso1 on system is 2.16-1.
 fennec depends on libstdc++6 (>= 4.2.1); however:
  Version of libstdc++6 on system is 3.4.4cs2005q3.2-5.osso8.
dpkg: error processing fennec (--install):
 dependency problems - leaving unconfigured
Errors were encountered while processing:
 fennec

steven676 2010-10-10 21:11
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by maacruz (Post 837831)
This hasn't been built with diablo/chinook:
The build notes suggest that the "chinook" build is symlinked to the Fremantle one.

cstryon 2010-10-10 22:09
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Well that's crummy. Is it possible to change the required dependencies to the Diablo/chinook versions without losing any (or at least too much) functionality? io

qwazix 2010-10-11 03:15
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Ok I know I a a little bit off topic but I had the 1.1, added the repo for ff4 and an update appeared immediately. But the software is now unusable. After 10 minutes I have managed to visit only one website and then nothing. Loading for ever. I also tried to install it on a Milestone XT720 (android) and there its worse. After uninstalling half my apps to make room for the behemoth, I found that it cant visit a site at all. Crashes right on your face.
When I have opera (unofficial project) on one side which opens websites before I blink and MicroB on the other with their own engine, flash support, and excellent UI, I am just starting to believe they didn't try hard enough. Isn't MicroB opensource? Why don't they start with that and improve it?
Maybe it's not worth even trying to get it working on diablo.
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hordeman 2010-10-11 05:12
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 838098)
Ok I know I a a little bit off topic but I had the 1.1, added the repo for ff4 and an update appeared immediately. But the software is now unusable. After 10 minutes I have managed to visit only one website and then nothing. Loading for ever.
Are you saying that you got FF4 to work on OS2008?

lma 2010-10-11 09:42
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by cstryon (Post 836019)
Is anyone else a little annoyed that the new Firefox 4 beta for maemo, is only for fremantle. I shouldn't be surprised, but I am frustrated. Our Fennec is a joke. And don't tell me it's because of the legacy devices, Opera runs just fine on maemo 4.
Well, at the end of the day xulrunner is a dog and you won't see great performance from any app that's based on it, especially on Diablo-era hardware.

Quote:
Originally Posted by hordeman (Post 836038)
The URL is misleading, mozilla.org always called their maemo repository "chinook" for some strange reason. That's a Fremantle package and won't run on Chinook or Diablo (just look at the dependencies).

qwazix 2010-10-11 11:35
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by hordeman (Post 838133)
Are you saying that you got FF4 to work on OS2008?
no I am sorry for causing confusion or unfulfilled hope, I didn't mention that it was on fremantle. (that's why I said I am a little off topic)
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hordeman 2010-10-12 04:59
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 838306)
no I am sorry for causing confusion or unfulfilled hope, I didn't mention that it was on fremantle. (that's why I said I am a little off topic)
Ah. Please remember that this is an OS2008 forum and thread. :)

HellFlyer 2010-10-12 05:00
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
W00t beta 2 is out

http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla.o.../binary-armel/

hordeman 2010-10-12 08:07
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by HellFlyer (Post 838956)
Clearly, people do not realize that they are posting in an OS2008 forum. :)

Quote:
Originally Posted by lma (Post 838254)
The URL is misleading, mozilla.org always called their maemo repository "chinook" for some strange reason. That's a Fremantle package and won't run on Chinook or Diablo (just look at the dependencies).
Well, I know for a fact that Firefox 2 Beta USED to work for OS2008 because I used to use it. It's just that when 1.1 came out, I decided to with that release. As someone mentioned prior, along the way, they stopped building the OS2008 deb and simply symlinked to fremantle.

C'mon guys, we gotta get FF back to OS2008!!

pavlov 2010-10-18 19:37
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Hi,

The chinook build is actually pointing (via a softlink) to the fremantle ones. Not sure why this happened, but we're removing the softlink to avoid further confusion.

It is still possible to build Fennec with the chinook SDK, but we won't be providing builds more recent than 1.1 due to maintenance costs. General instability of the N810s makes it nearly impossible for us to keep our automated tests running on them, and we don't want to publish software that hasn't been tested.

heavyt 2010-10-18 21:27
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pavlov (Post 844393)
Hi,

The chinook build is actually pointing (via a softlink) to the fremantle ones. Not sure why this happened, but we're removing the softlink to avoid further confusion.

It is still possible to build Fennec with the chinook SDK, but we won't be providing builds more recent than 1.1 due to maintenance costs. General instability of the N810s makes it nearly impossible for us to keep our automated tests running on them, and we don't want to publish software that hasn't been tested.
Thanks for the explanation, sorry to hear N810 is not stable enough. But I have fingers cross that a build for it will show up. ;)

hordeman 2010-10-19 06:46
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by pavlov (Post 844393)
Hi,

The chinook build is actually pointing (via a softlink) to the fremantle ones. Not sure why this happened, but we're removing the softlink to avoid further confusion.

It is still possible to build Fennec with the chinook SDK, but we won't be providing builds more recent than 1.1 due to maintenance costs. General instability of the N810s makes it nearly impossible for us to keep our automated tests running on them, and we don't want to publish software that hasn't been tested.
Thanks for chiming in, Pavlov. Where would someone be able to find the sources to do a Chinook build?

linuxeventually 2010-10-19 07:52
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
I wish people would stop calling it "Firefox". It's not. It's "Fennec". It's purposely misleading branding tactics.

Also I don't like Fennec. I have Fennec 1.1b1 installed in Diablo. (I've also tried it in "Desktop"/x86 Linux and x86 Windows). Though I certainly like having the options, more browsers is a good thing.

What I'd like is this: http://nightly.mozilla.org the real Firefox beta.
webM support and what-not built-in.

But yeah I've read about the JS problems, they are no longer supporting PPC either.

Everytime I try to compile it in scratchbox, it utterly fails. I don't know what the "secret" is.

@pavlov
If you tell us which compile options you've used that would really help so someone else could maintain a build other than Mozilla. "Iceferret" or whatever if branding is a concern.

@Hordeman
Source (as far as I can tell):
http://moff.mozilla.com/latest/sourc...source.tar.bz2
tinyurl: http://tinyurl.com/fennec1p1source
Code:
1.) wget http://moff.mozilla.com/latest/sourc...source.tar.bz2
2.) tar xjvf fennec-1.1rc1.source.tar.bz2
3.) cd fennec*
4.) ???
5.) magic?
6.) compile
7.) package
8.) profit

hordeman 2010-10-19 17:36
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Hi linuxeventually,

I believe it is only officially Fennec when it is in Beta, but with final releases, it is officially called Firefox. Thanks for looking around for the source; I think we may need to wait on pavlov to provide a link to the current FF4b source instead of 1.1. :)

H.

shadowjk 2010-10-20 00:56
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
The minimaist themes dont display the forum name, so it's easy to not realize this thread is in os2008 forum.

I wonder what the stability issues are, and how bad they are relatively speaking. Just recently had to reboot my n810 after 70 days uptime and daily use, when the hw keys stopped working properly :(

8 did find at one pont a wiki page at mozilla.org, some of the issues surrounding battey charging (with which I'm pretty familiar) were either misunderstood or just wrong.

In general, the N810 does immediately reboot if anything goes wrong though..

samipower 2010-10-23 12:06
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
youtube enabler not run , only compatible with older versions.

firefox 4 beta 1 youtube disable, it have not got flash player plugin enable or not installed

samipower 2010-10-23 12:07
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
youtube enabler not run , only compatible with older versions.

firefox 4 beta 1 youtube disable, it have not got flash player plugin enable or not installed

hordeman 2010-10-23 20:11
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by samipower (Post 848610)
youtube enabler not run , only compatible with older versions.

firefox 4 beta 1 youtube disable, it have not got flash player plugin enable or not installed
How did you get firefox to work on N8x0/ OS2008?

Roth 2010-11-04 19:49
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
New beta 2 is available!
http://releases.mozilla.org/pub/mozi...mo5-gtk/en-US/

"Try the second release of Firefox 4 Beta for Android and Maemo. Smaller, sleeker, faster! http://mzl.la/dyoWN7 " ~MozMobile

// Roth

cincibluer6 2010-11-04 21:03
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
Wow. Second beta is waaaaaay better than the first. Loads faster, sync is better, UI is exponentially improved, etc.
This might now be my default browser. I was using microb but this is stellar.

raven 2010-11-04 21:59
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
4~b2 is seriously so much more responsive ui wise, sliding to the left and right doesn't feel like im grinding a granite stone across my screen anymore :)

mobiledivide 2010-11-04 22:29
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
The UI is there and some really nice touches like the zooming in on textbox elements etc but its still not as fast as microB. The UI of fennec and the speed of microB would be by far the best mobile browser on any platform. Hopefully meego brings a fully optimized version of this browser.

cstryon 2010-11-04 23:43
Re: Firefox 4 beta for maemo
 
I appreciate that Beta 2 is nice, but this is about it NOT being released for OS2008, or the n8x0s.
@Roth, Raven, Cincibluer6, Mobiledivide: Have you all installed firefox 4 on an n800 or n810 running OS2008? If so, how? If not, then this is not the place to discuss how well it's working on your device, this thread is about getting it to work/why is it not being released for OS2008.


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