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anwar71839 2010-10-18 06:50

2ghz phone by end of 2010
 
Motorola is planning to release a ghz phone by end of 2010 to beat apple. Google it people. You may have to say bye to the n9 or whatever nokia is gonna release before it actually is released. Cant believe they are going that far to beat apple. They are gonna lose anyway, not to iphone to IOS

longcat 2010-10-18 06:53

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^ missing the point here?

F2thaK 2010-10-18 07:06

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sources......... relevance............. ????????

anwar71839 2010-10-18 07:09

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Quote:

Originally Posted by f2thak (Post 843866)
sources......... relevance............. ????????

http://www.pcworld.com/businesscente..._business.html
here you go.

jedi 2010-10-18 07:09

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Errr... This is a Maemo forum. Maybe you posted here by mistake...

RobbieThe1st 2010-10-18 07:14

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"It's not what you have, its how you use it". Doubly so in the case of a mobile phone or computer.

gerbick 2010-10-18 07:23

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This belongs in Competitors.

uvatbc 2010-10-18 07:25

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Quote:

Originally Posted by anwar71839 (Post 843846)
Motorola is planning to release a ghz phone by end of 2010 to beat apple. Google it people. You may have to say bye to the n9 or whatever nokia is gonna release before it actually is released. Cant believe they are going that far to beat apple. They are gonna lose anyway, not to iphone to IOS

Big deal.
My 1.8 GHz core 2 duo can run circles around my pentium 3 GHz.
Frequency has not mattered since a long time - and it matters even less in the mobile playing field.
Every successive processor technology brings with it another facet of performance improvements that makes it difficult to compare against previous generations.
And then there is the matter of the software and its open-ness.

So take your FUD to some place where people are likely to be affected.
Oh wait. That's what t.m.o. is for.
As you were...

ossipena 2010-10-18 07:27

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only thing motorola is doing now is trying to get a rid from phones division and set it adrift into the ocean.

and btw the ghz train went already after people have realized that gpus and multiple cores can do some serious crunching when instructed properly.

PathFinder@9GS 2010-10-18 07:40

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I cant imagine how hot that phone is gonna get :P
Heat sinks?
What about battery? No matter how powerful a phone get but in my opinion the mobile battery technology isnt going anywhere..\\

I hope its a well thought move.. or it may burn down the company

anwar71839 2010-10-18 07:46

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Quote:

Originally Posted by uvatbc (Post 843888)
Big deal.
My 1.8 GHz core 2 duo can run circles around my pentium 3 GHz.
Frequency has not mattered since a long time - and it matters even less in the mobile playing field.
Every successive processor technology brings with it another facet of performance improvements that makes it difficult to compare against previous generations.
And then there is the matter of the software and its open-ness.

So take your FUD to some place where people are likely to be affected.
Oh wait. That's what t.m.o. is for.
As you were...

do you feally think they will release that phone with this generations gpu? i think they know cpu freq is not only the issue. the real issue to me is the os

SD. 2010-10-18 07:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 843889)
only thing motorola is doing now is trying to get a rid from phones division and set it adrift into the ocean.

and btw the ghz train went already after people have realized that gpus and multiple cores can do some serious crunching when instructed properly.

Not to mention changes in new architecture trumps old, like adding faster and on-chip cache memory or better silicon, but they all can still carry the same ghz rating

Quote:

Originally Posted by PathFinder@9GS (Post 843899)
I cant imagine how hot that phone is gonna get :P
Heat sinks?
What about battery? No matter how powerful a phone get but in my opinion the mobile battery technology isnt going anywhere..\\

I hope its a well thought move.. or it may burn down the company

Several manufacturers have under-clocked their flagship phones in recent history and nobody has sued yet for false advertising.

If this is a 2ghz chip it may only run at 1.5 depending on what battery life & temperature specs they are targeting.

uvatbc 2010-10-18 08:26

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Quote:

Originally Posted by anwar71839 (Post 843902)
do you feally think they will release that phone with this generations gpu? i think they know cpu freq is not only the issue. the real issue to me is the os

Frequency does not matter to me, but from your first post it seemed that it did matter much to you.

Regarding OS:
Android is much better than iOS by the simple fact that it is based off Linux, but even thats not good enough for my phone.
I like it, but I prefer Maemo/Meego over Android.

About a week into playing with my wife's HTC G2, I realized that I really preferred my n900 over Android. Why?
Because for everything I needed, there was a Linux app.
The desktop Linux community is much more active and productive and stable than Android can hope to be, and the n900 gets much of its great capabilities as a side effect of the desktop Linux world being what it is.
For those things that there wasn't a Linux app, there was someone who was willing to make it - which benefits maemo as well as Linux - and thus there is more motivation to do it.

tl;dr: Frequency is irrelevant, Linux rules, n900 is the best.

bchliu 2010-10-18 08:28

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sounds to me its more like a dual core chip at 1ghz = "2"ghz to the misnomer.. which is what the Cortex A9 will be..

If we keep waiting for these around the corner technologies, we can wait forever since the quad core ARM is most likely in the works with 2ghz of clocking (total 8ghz?)

really irrelevant until something is actually out and substantial

uvatbc 2010-10-18 08:31

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bchliu (Post 843938)
sounds to me its more like a dual core chip at 1ghz = "2"ghz to the misnomer.. which is what the Cortex A9 will be..

If we keep waiting for these around the corner technologies, we can wait forever since the quad core ARM is most likely in the works with 2ghz of clocking (total 8ghz?)

really irrelevant until something is actually out and substantial

Quad core ARMs are already in production, my wife works on them. I asked if she knew any products - she didn't because thats not her job.

droll 2010-10-18 08:31

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exactly, 2ghz doesn't mean NUTS if it isn't optimized. i can have a phone running at 1ghz and a silky smooth user experience, better battery life, etc.

that i think is more important ultimately. the mobile device world is a bit different from a PC since resources (including powersupply) are scarce.

Kangal 2010-10-18 08:48

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Motorola + 2Ghz + phone = not gonna happen 2010 (and probably 2011)

Motorola are not leaders, they're ambitious followers.
They're Milestone2 with OMAP3xxx clocked at 1.2GHz means nothing when its running Android.
Google really needs to polish their source and make it easy for OEM's to set up their OS with better battery life + great response + little troubles(stability). If you disagree, I will just respond with "Galaxy S".

cjp 2010-10-18 09:02

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Well yeah OK 2Ghz sounds good to me, but only if it can actually deliver something unique.

And running Android, I doubt it can really deliver much of anything interesting...

maxximuscool 2010-10-18 09:18

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2Ghz phone lol hahahahaha sorry it's going to fail badly.
2Ghz processor wll drain batter size 1500mAh as quickly as a piece of ice cube in the microwave. Unless Motorolla wants to put 3000mAh battery in its device to substain the hungry beast Processor.

Dual core may be the best option to this, unless PCworld wrongly adding dual core A9 1Ghz together into 2Ghz. Otherwise it will fall into an ocean. Tablet = may be, phone single CPU 2Ghz = I smelled burning hot phone.

The question is, is Motorolla trying to build a phone or a piece of useless brick? Ghz isn't everything and isn't the solution.

Aranel 2010-10-18 09:30

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Quote:

Originally Posted by bchliu (Post 843938)
quad core ARM is most likely in the works with 2ghz of clocking (total 8ghz?)

4 core x 2 Ghz != 8 Ghz

wmarone 2010-10-18 15:59

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Quote:

Originally Posted by uvatbc (Post 843940)
Quad core ARMs are already in production, my wife works on them. I asked if she knew any products - she didn't because thats not her job.

You sure it's actually quad-core and not just 4 cores in the same package? I know there are some monster ARM chips out there, but when you look closely they tend to be amped up ARM9/ARM11 chips that suck power due to a ton of cores and would be terrible in a phone.

I'd be interested in seeing what Motorola plans on using, seeing as how they're long time customers TI, just like Nokia. That said, I wouldn't buy one since it'll just be crippled out of the gate like every other Motorola phone.

tissot 2010-10-18 16:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by PathFinder@9GS (Post 843899)
I cant imagine how hot that phone is gonna get :P
Heat sinks?
What about battery? No matter how powerful a phone get but in my opinion the mobile battery technology isnt going anywhere..\\

I hope its a well thought move.. or it may burn down the company

Moto is talking about dual core for sure. 2ghz sounds much better than dual 1ghz to norm customer.
All the rumours all talking about early next year.... i guess it's the same as N9 that according to Nokia will be released this year, but rumours are pointing to early next year. ;)


Motorola’s Tegra 2 powered Droid Terminator coming to multiple carriers early 2011?
http://www.devicemag.com/2010/10/12/...re-processors/


Might not be interested about the dual core Moto but if N9 isn't what i'm looking for will definitely be looking to Android+gingerbread+Cortex-A9 direction.

Spr33 2010-10-18 16:11

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These 2ghz phones appear to be dual core. Some have dubbed the first 2ghz phone from Motorola as the Motorola Olympus and also goes by the name Droid Terminator or T2. These 2ghz "phones" may also have been rumored to be Tablets instead. Which makes more sense to me but you never know how the smarphone market will change.

Some links for funsies:

http://www.phonearena.com/htmls/Moto...e-a_13961.html

http://www.electronista.com/articles...ertifications/

ragnar 2010-10-18 16:20

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In Finnish only, and well, you know, it's funny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsxlJtImklg

Yes, in a few years most of the gadgets and electronics you own right now will be in the garbage.

Rauha 2010-10-18 16:41

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My N64 is 64bit and it's much better than 2ghz Motorola at the end of 2010.

frostbyte 2010-10-18 16:49

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Quote:

Originally Posted by anwar71839 (Post 843846)
Motorola is planning to release a ghz phone by end of 2010 to beat apple. Google it people. You may have to say bye to the n9 or whatever nokia is gonna release before it actually is released. Cant believe they are going that far to beat apple. They are gonna lose anyway, not to iphone to IOS

i totally agree. with this guy http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwGFa...eature=related

atilla 2010-10-18 18:06

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i like this high cpu wave too.
but for me it would be better if they would make a really ****ing great battery.
something with 5000mah.
i would pay 150 euro for such a battery if i could use it in my n900

Dave999 2010-10-18 18:12

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read on google that 2007 would be the end of the world. Never trust google.

atilla 2010-10-18 18:15

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Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 844333)
read on google that 2007 would be the end of the world. Never trust google.

you mean 2000?hahaha
that was awesome.
all in panic because someone has talked ****.
great....

Dave999 2010-10-18 18:19

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or the mellenium bug crises :) wait for the N9 and motorola before speaking...

BruceL 2010-10-18 18:26

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Until we can create software to use all the cores ghz IS important. The N900 loads/renders web-pages way too slowly. And when external HDMI screens can be connected that speed will be even more important.

Furthermore, don't make the mistake of assuming the current OMAP's battery efficiency will hold for the next generation of chips. The upcoming chips run at high speed, are polycoreus AND have a longer battery life.

The idea that chip speed doesn't matter because "software should be optimized" begs the question; people are talking about the SAME level of optimization on a faster chip. Thus, faster experience and better UX. Are you thinking that developers will "unoptimize" the code so that it will still perform poorly on faster hardware? We're unlikely to do that.

RFS-81 2010-10-18 18:35

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Quote:

Originally Posted by anwar71839 (Post 843846)
Motorola is planning to release a ghz phone by end of 2010 to beat apple.

Ahh, the GHz game.. five minutes in the spotlight. Next, oblivion.

wmarone 2010-10-18 19:20

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Quote:

Originally Posted by BruceL (Post 844341)
Until we can create software to use all the cores ghz IS important. The N900 loads/renders web-pages way too slowly. And when external HDMI screens can be connected that speed will be even more important.

Multiple cores can resolve some of the sluggishness, though the N900's problem is mostly lack of memory and the Gecko toolkit not being kind to older machines.

Quote:

Furthermore, don't make the mistake of assuming the current OMAP's battery efficiency will hold for the next generation of chips. The upcoming chips run at high speed, are polycoreus AND have a longer battery life.
Polycoreus? I'm saving that word.


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