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augustya 2010-10-20 14:10

Touchsreen not very smooth !
 
Hi Guys,

I have got a New N900 it just doesn't seems very smooth when I use the touchscreen to browse or navigate. The screen surface feels a little rough, is it coz it is a new piece and after sometime it will become smooth I dont know ? I am asking ? what Can I do to make the touch better and smooth.I have already Calibrated the screen. And I know it is Resistive, but it just doesn't move properly.

Thanks

cfh11 2010-10-20 14:12

Re: Touchsreen not very smooth !
 
Did you remove the protective plastic that with the phone?

eMiL 2010-10-20 14:12

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Quote:

Originally Posted by augustya (Post 846114)
Hi Guys,

I have got a New N900 it just doesn't seems very smooth when I use the touchscreen to browse or navigate. The screen surface feels a little rough, is it coz it is a new piece and after sometime it will become smooth I dont know ? I am asking ? what Can I do to make the touch better and smooth.I have already Calibrated the screen.

Thanks

Short answer: Buy an iPhone! N900 is not for you!

shorter answer: Powersearch!


edit: No but seriously, do you mean the plastic screen surface? I myself find the screen surface REALLY smooth. Shields are good and all, but IMO they make the screen surface rough and uneasy on your fingers/stylus.

If you mean UX "smoothness": see initial response.

augustya 2010-10-20 14:14

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cfh11 (Post 846117)
Did you remove the protective plastic that with the phone?

YES ! Yes ! Yes !

D4rKlar 2010-10-20 14:27

Re: Touchsreen not very smooth !
 
I've never touched the screen itself... I recommend a Zagg invisible shield, or any screen protector.


Kind Regards,
D4rKlar

shadowjk 2010-10-20 14:44

Re: Touchsreen not very smooth !
 
I wonder which issue it is

- The surface of the screen is not smooth, the friction between finger and the surface is too high. There's stiction.

or:

- Scrolling framerate is low, screen content updates are not vrefresh synced.

AMLJ 2010-10-20 15:04

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Have you tried cleaning it a bit?

kureyon 2010-10-20 16:02

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cfh11 (Post 846117)
Did you remove the protective plastic that with the phone?

I don't know about others, but my N900 had black, fully opaque plastic over the display, pretty difficult to use the N900 without removing it first ;) I was thinking why don't they just use a bloomin' transparent sheet to save users from having to buy a screen protector separately.

And for the OP: make sure your fingers are not sweaty or moist :)

augustya 2010-10-21 06:43

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Quote:

Originally Posted by kureyon (Post 846202)
I don't know about others, but my N900 had black, fully opaque plastic over the display, pretty difficult to use the N900 without removing it first ;) I was thinking why don't they just use a bloomin' transparent sheet to save users from having to buy a screen protector separately.

And for the OP: make sure your fingers are not sweaty or moist :)

No I am saying apart from all these superficial gestures is ther anything that cane be done internally in the phone to make the Tuch of teh screen even more smooth and fluent.

ossipena 2010-10-21 06:53

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Quote:

Originally Posted by D4rKlar (Post 846131)
I've never touched the screen itself... I recommend a Zagg invisible shield, or any screen protector.


Kind Regards,
D4rKlar

if plain screen isn't smoot enough, your suggestion makes the problem million times bigger.

crown77 2010-10-21 07:25

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Sorry guys but this is N900 fanboyism par exellence. I also have a N900 since it came out and the Touchscreen Response is compared to other Devices also from last year really not good.

I also would wish that there would be a way maybe software driven to improve this so i can touch a button and dont need to press it.. But to tell this guy Stuff like did you remove the protector plastic or did you clean the screen is like to lough about him..

And yes i have a Ipod touch 2gen its nearly 3 Years old and this is what i call touch.. So to ask directly is the Touch Sensetivity limited by Hardware or is there a way to improve this from Software Side?

slender 2010-10-21 07:45

Re: Touchsreen not very smooth !
 
So are we talking about surface of touchscreen or responsiveness of OS? Or something else?

augustya 2010-10-21 07:54

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Quote:

Originally Posted by slender (Post 846784)
So are we talking about surface of touchscreen or responsiveness of OS? Or something else?

Overall Touchscreen Response to move things,browse, click everything which involves touch response.

slender 2010-10-21 08:08

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Quote:

Originally Posted by augustya (Post 846790)
Overall Touchscreen Response to move things,browse, click everything which involves touch response.

So we are talking about Maemo OS interaction with touchscreen and finger on it.

If so then I recommend on searching bug reports and threads about too low FPS in menus and tearing issues. Sadly this kind of things will be fixed in Meego. Also as expected (at least from me) on device that is doing what user commands it to do (this includes misbehaving apps): Some stuttering is not completely avoidable but of course it should be avoided as much as possible. Meaning that when running multiple apps on this amount of ram things start to happen depending on what apps user is running :|

Also one thing that might make N900 slow down for moment daily is apt-get(daily update that reports it result with exclamation mark in status bar) running in background on default configuration once in 24h and imo it pretty much stutters whole system while running. This of course should not happen :| Only way to avoid this daily heavy loading of CPU is to make update check cycle as long as possible
http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Ma..._Updates_Check

.edit
Tip for using resistive touchscreen: Use only very tip of your finger. I pretty much use my index finger nail (as dov explains below) when using this touchscreen. All the people who have tried N900 pretty much are first annoyed because it doesn´t response to iPhone like touching. (And to those TMO idiots who are not able to read my text, In this paragraph I have not said that N900 is good or bad. I´m just telling my usage experience and try to help other people.)

..edit
Also Tracker seems to be one big pain in *** of some people. Search and learn.

dov 2010-10-21 08:09

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Curl your finger so that only the right side of the nail of your right hand index finger (left side of left index finger if you are lefthanded) touches the screen, and use that as a stylus. I even regularly cut my finger nail so that the right side of the nail extends a tiny bit. Works great on a resistive screen and also reduces the amount of finger grease on the screen.

crown77 2010-10-21 08:14

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thank you slender for this Answer especially for the Update customizeing Tip. I hope with Meego we maybe have a better Response and Touchscreen Sesetivity one Day.

ossipena 2010-10-21 08:33

Re: Touchsreen not very smooth !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crown77 (Post 846762)
I also would wish that there would be a way maybe software driven to improve this so i can touch a button and dont need to press it.

it is impossible with the hardware. but in the same time stylus is next to impossible with iphones and similar..... (and no resistive vs capacitive war, please)

Generic 2010-10-21 11:15

Re: Touchsreen not very smooth !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by crown77 (Post 846762)
Sorry guys but this is N900 fanboyism par exellence. I also have a N900 since it came out and the Touchscreen Response is compared to other Devices also from last year really not good.

I also would wish that there would be a way maybe software driven to improve this so i can touch a button and dont need to press it.. But to tell this guy Stuff like did you remove the protector plastic or did you clean the screen is like to lough about him..

And yes i have a Ipod touch 2gen its nearly 3 Years old and this is what i call touch.. So to ask directly is the Touch Sensetivity limited by Hardware or is there a way to improve this from Software Side?

If I misunderstood you, I'm sorry here. But please be a bit more open-minded :). Just because you are used to i-series touch screens doesn't mean N900 screen is not good.
It's like driving a Ferrari on an off-road and saying Ferrari is not good. Every device has its best aspect of use.

I can use my n900 with tiny pressure applied from my beautiful finger nails :D that's what I would call superb responsive and sensitive (superb precision is a big plus). Unlike i-series touch screen that i have to use my fat finger tip and miss-touch something all the time because the precision is very poor.

Because I like n900 screen better, does it make i-series touch screen not good?? NO. :D it's good at what it's supposed to do.
I think n900 is best with it's screen.:D

PS: have you ever tried using stylus or your nail on n900? you'll be surprised how responsive, sensitive, and precise it is.

regnighc 2010-10-21 11:34

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This happens with all new N900's just polish it with the wipe. Its the sticky stuff from the screen protector.

After a few days this will clear up.

My N900 screen is much more responsive and smooth to touch than my iPhone, both of the same age, using a screen protector on neither.

ossipena 2010-10-21 11:39

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Generic (Post 846947)
It's like driving a Ferrari on an off-road and saying Ferrari is not good. Every device has its best aspect of use.

or with a porsche in finland between november and april with the exactly same roads that are there 24/7/365. first of all appropriate tires would cost a lot (over 2000 eur?) and still driving would be insanely hard with 400+hp, 600+Nm to rear wheels....

James_Littler 2010-10-21 11:52

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 846974)
still driving would be insanely hard with 400+hp, 600+Nm to rear wheels....

In my eyes that just makes for some serious fun!!! :D

(Drool starts to flow while imagining a 993 in midnight purple.....)

Tedri Mark 2010-10-21 11:56

Re: Touchsreen not very smooth !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by dov (Post 846799)
Curl your finger so that only the right side of the nail of your right hand index finger (left side of left index finger if you are lefthanded) touches the screen, and use that as a stylus. I even regularly cut my finger nail so that the right side of the nail extends a tiny bit. Works great on a resistive screen and also reduces the amount of finger grease on the screen.

Funnily enough, i tend to use an iPhone style fingertip or even thumbtip splodge to click tiny little links (the thread page numbers on here, fo example) and am amazed at how seldom I have to press back because it's clicked the wrong one, even though when i press the one I want the links either side are also getting touched.

I guess it must go on the centre of the touch, no matter how big, so in that case it's a question of practice..

BigBadGuber! 2010-10-21 22:21

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The response to touchscreen on my N900 is the same as on my iphone 3GS

droll 2010-10-21 22:40

Re: Touchsreen not very smooth !
 
you do realize the 3gs is capacitive? which means finger nails won't work. the n900 is resistive which means finger nails do.

is the finger gliding smoothly over the surface of the screen or do you feel little bumps on it?

augustya 2010-10-22 05:00

Re: Touchsreen not very smooth !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by droll (Post 847505)
you do realize the 3gs is capacitive? which means finger nails won't work. the n900 is resistive which means finger nails do.

is the finger gliding smoothly over the surface of the screen or do you feel little bumps on it?

No, that is precisely what I mean initially when I said that the surface of the screen doesnt feel smooth that is because the finger does nto glide smoothly on the screen. I have applied a Screenguard on it. Still have to experience how does it feel. Will post my experiences soon...

augustya 2010-10-22 05:01

Re: Touchsreen not very smooth !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by BigBadGuber! (Post 847489)
The response to touchscreen on my N900 is the same as on my iphone 3GS

What Rubbish !! the touch of N900 is no where comparable to the Capacative, Multi-Tocuh of iPhone 3GS. That is just plain exxageration...

zerocool2k 2010-10-22 06:00

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Yeah, I feel that too. Especially when I slide my finger to select a long url or text, the surface feels kinda bumpy. I have Clarivue screen protector on btw, but I don't think that's the problem.

RobbieThe1st 2010-10-22 07:46

Re: Touchsreen not very smooth !
 
One, all screen protectors are sheets of plastic.
This means they will have texture. Some may be as smooth as without, some may be rough. But you will feel the texture of the screen protector, not the N900.

augustya 2010-10-22 08:06

Re: Touchsreen not very smooth !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by RobbieThe1st (Post 847752)
One, all screen protectors are sheets of plastic.
This means they will have texture. Some may be as smooth as without, some may be rough. But you will feel the texture of the screen protector, not the N900.


But even before I applied the screenguard, I could not glide my fingers smoothly on the N900 Scree, it would feel bumpy...

maxximuscool 2010-10-22 08:17

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Did you apply pressure on to the screen when touching it? lol. Incase you mistakenly think it a capacitive screen lol.

augustya 2010-10-22 08:33

Re: Touchsreen not very smooth !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maxximuscool (Post 847771)
Did you apply pressure on to the screen when touching it? lol. Incase you mistakenly think it a capacitive screen lol.

Yes I am gonna have to strt getting used to it, start applying a little more pressure was scared to do it with its bare screen, maybe even that would have also been the cause. Now that I have the screengaurd on I can apply as much pressure as I want without having t worry about what if the screen gets damaged...I need to Drop the Pressure :D

ossipena 2010-10-22 08:53

Re: Touchsreen not very smooth !
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by James_Littler (Post 846986)
In my eyes that just makes for some serious fun!!! :D

I bet you haven't driven such powerful car in slippery conditions? 100hp is about the maximum reasonable power for the winters (with 4wd you can probably double it but with 4wd 200hp your brakes are like using bicycle brakes in your car in summertime...), most of the time something like 40hp is enough for loosing the grip completely...

daperl 2010-10-22 10:18

Re: Touchsreen not very smooth !
 
[fantasy movie trailer]

"Imagine a world where plastic-resistive screens respond exactly like glass-capacitive ones, and all your other dreams come true."

[reality]

"Imagine a world where everyone understood the pros and cons of plastic-resistive screens and glass-capacitive ones, and all your other dreams were subject to the same physical laws."


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