Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Wait continues.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

technically n900 would be the first device..
2nd, do u hear me complaining?
"patience is a virtue"

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

can wee has teh linkz ??!?!

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Conference call is live right now. No text link at the moment.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

if you're close to him, get him, kidnap him until they release pr2.0 :P

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

MWC 2011 it is then. sod waiting another 5 months whatever they have will be outdated unless they scrapped harmattan stratedgy they unveiled at maemo conf 09 and moved next device to different CPU etc.

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Ok here's a link since Engadget is listening as well:
http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/21/s...-a-2011-event/

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

So its getting clear that this ver of Meego was as rough around the edges and "unfinished" as Maemo was - and hence the decision to push release to 2011. Maybe this could have been a reason for the recent departures in the Meego dept.(just speculation).

Again good thing is the thought process to release a finished product instead of a "hacker edition" device.

Edit : also hope for a faster ARM processor in the N9.

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I am just wondering if Elop speaks about "real" MeeGo or Harmattan.

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I wants hacker edition!

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:-)

Well, then you(and me) has N900 and dual boot (or single boot) Meego on it.

Let's leave N9 for the unwashed ungeeks.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

The schedule propably means that the Meego-Harmattan has been axed and only "real" Meego will be released.

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And I had so high hopes for MeeGo-Harmattan HE...

Well, such is life.

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What ? After so much of effort that Nokia puts into Harmattan. Plus the real Meego still is a very unfinished product overall as an os and so will Nokia want to go with Meego and just overlay it's custom UI on top of that ?

I think this is pure speculation now. But again, Nokia and rapid changing directions ... It's happened before.

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... which is what we heared before on the net. it's a real pity. they're running in all directions and never arrive anywhere. :(

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a lot of harmattan work was contributed to the MeeGo project.
so if harmattan as really been shelved all was not for nothing. and i'm sure they will use the UI and proprietary nokia apps from it on there MeeGo devices too

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Well the "real" is unfinished now, but propably won't so much at a "2011 event". I would assume announced at MWC and released with Meego 1.2.

Personally I allways thought that the Meego-Harmattan was a recipe for massive consumer confusion. Not that sorry to see it skipped, and Meego brand launched in it's "real" form.

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I don't know why anybody even thinks of Harmattan is any different then Meego, I mean Nokia said it by themselves that the next OS after Maemo 5 (the one you see on your N900) is going to be Meego.

Before that we knew that there will be Maemo 6 ( aka Harmattan ) but after the Nokia and Intel collision, its clear that what ever Nokia was working on the Harmattan will be blended with Moblin resulting in Meego. Simple

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The problem I see is the time they're losing. Nothing on the high end for the holiday season? Waiting for the top-top-products until Q1/2011? Then you need to calculate them being delayed for the usual reasons.... So it might well be they don't ship worldwide before May/June 2011...

Yes, there's a certain market segment that would have been confused by the MeeGo/Harmattan-naming. But most simple end users wouldn't even have noticed; and many power users would have known and understood.

If it's true that Harmattan is as good as finished (including a hardware to run it, the N9), I would not understand how anybody could even think of ditching it for something that may or may not be ready in 6+ months.

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@aikon00 nokia still planned to release a Harmattan product before moving to MeeGo proper.

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People tend to call it Meego-Harmattan because it is a sort of hybrid. Nokia has referred to it as a "meego instance" or a Maemo/Meego hybrid. I think one aspect of this is it used debs (Maemo) rather than rpms (Meego). I think it was meant to be a transition release for developers but also because the wheels at Nokia couldn't shift focus quickly enough and that they wanted something out sooner than later.

I wonder if there will come a time when the differences between Meego-Harmattan, generic Meego, and Nokia's version of Meego will not cause confusion.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Here is my prediction

They will release N900-01 with Meego Harmatten at the meego conference. This software will be available as PR2.0 it will contain Qt 4.7.1, flash, new sgx driver.

It will Extend the life of the N900 until Q2 2011 when we will see the N9 with proper Meego. This device will be announced at mobile world congress, it will be based on Meego 1.2.

This to me makes much more sense than a half meego device which would be have been viewed as step 6 of 7.

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Its a tech company and business decisions are ruining the tech decisions that are not taking precedence. I just wish among the amulgum of events happening within company, clear direction is taken where Nokia wants to head as far as Maemo + Meego is concerned. Rest assured my say can't change the direction they will eventually go, helpless words are all i have.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywHgqPQNonc (fake maybe)
Nokia Meego is not coming to N900 officially which might eventually get ported in say an years time from now. They have to stop generic port and go down actual work towards porting Nokia Meego OS even if some features won't work just like iOS did with older generation units. That will please the customers even if they have to wait till early 2011. A generic half-baked port will start new threads of millions of questions, blames and result will be waiting for newer updates (hoping) to get bugs fixed, UI improved and so on. Nokia needs to put in a lot of work on Meego OS, call on the conference do the demo and show people and media how great Meego OS is and be it available that moment on for public. This way they can not only redeem themselves but prove to media that Meego OS is the future.

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Benny said it right, different paths which need to merge so no confusion in the minds of media/public/devs and eventually customers.

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So, are you predicting this N900-01 will be a hardware revision that includes a multitouch, capacitive display? Or have Nokia been working frantically to retreat a bit from that Harmattan design goal in order to better accommodate the N900's resistive screen?

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Really ?? Was this official, a Maemo 6 device before a Meego device. I don't think that's the case. The step 6 which comes out of 5 (Maemo 5, N900) will be Meego.
If there was a official reference to this please state it here then

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Having something that's based on the original Harmattan-project available for the N900 is very unlikely: Harmattan, as far as I know, was developed with a multitouch-capable device in mind. They said in the past they wouldn't sacrifice this for compatibility with the N900.

It might be that they changed their plans with regard to the naming scheme, of course. Present a N900-1 (or N9 or whatever) whith Harmattan called "Maemo 6"... OK, I'm dreaming... I still try to find some kind of reason in this whole mess. I mean - this used to be a properly layed out timeline, explained to developers a hundred times, with promised milestones... :confused:

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

Yes. This was official ever since MeeGo was first announced. You must have missed a lot. ;)

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

You should know by now that Nokia's routing technology for Maemo is a bit underdeveloped.

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The multi-touch statement was some bollocks excuse. Its only ever used for pinch to zoom and the only place we had the equiv swirly zoom on the n900 was in the browser. Small swap out of input methods if you ask me.

My prediction is the N900-01 is what you have in your hands with a new software build.

So yes some retreat back to it being only an N900 release. It will at least give them a solid dev platform ahead of the N9, instead of the meego1.1 which is still clearly unusable.

Re: Elop just said in Nokia results conference: "it's clear that first Meego device is 2011 event".
 

And that would have to be marketed as a "Meego device" and Elop said that Meego device won't be launched until 2011.

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I'm not sure what state MeeGo will be in in Q1/2011 - but you bet I would not, never, under no circumstances, make my next flagship phone depend on it being ready then. Whatever runs on a Q1/2011-phone should be very close to production quality today so developers can test test test test and bugfix bugfix bugfix wontfix.

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hmm, that seems very odd but good, because i really like Maemo 5, and always wanted a complete upgraded version of this. Since I heard the Meego was announced, I thought Plain-Maemo was over and Meego has began.

So this probably explains why this leak: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywHgqPQNonc looks more like Maemo then Meego. But Two things are still questionable.

1.) First, Meego handset got leaked before the Maemo 6 Harmattan, or that it is ruining Harmattan not meego ?

2.) Why does CEO of Nokia Stephen Elop mention Meego realse product in 2011 before Harmattan If Harmattan does exist ? hmm.

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I would say that Harmattan aka fake meego will be released 2011 and first meego 2012. This is not so unlikly anymore. So until nokia say somthing about something.(which they never do) I just assume this can be the case.

the good thing is, n900 live forever... :) or at least longer. Already started to wait for PR 1.4 after this announcment :D

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I don't know why people even think that MeeGo-Harmatan isn't coming.
Nokia jumping straight to MeeGo was based only on one Gizmodo rumour, thought i have to say that they are indeed one of the most well respected Nokia rumour sites with huge knowledge about MeeGo and Harmattan...

Eldar for example was talking about N9, based on MeeGo-Harmattan to be delayed till Q1 2-3 weeks ago.


Like benny1967 i wouldn't touch pure Meego in Q1 or even Q2.

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For me, this rumor started on a German language site a few days ago. They said Harmattan had been cancelled and the N9 will run real MeeGo and will be available ~April 2011

Hope it's "only" a delay as you say (bad enough), not a complete change of strategy. (It would still mean they don't have anything but the N8 for the holiday season.)

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they have the mighty n900! start up the production again! ;)

EDIT: and give some guys from nokia order to help out with the meego adaptation for n900 and use that to promote meego.

"it's clear that the end of the n900 is a 2011 event".
 

Elop meant:
What this means is your n900 with Maemo is still king of the hill for now.

Let us Enjoy that as best we can.:D

And apparently here the n900 has begun to sell out.
I went to buy my backup/hacking unit today and most of the stores I visited
had blank spots where they had even sold their display units.
I did find a store that still had a new one,
but only after looking long and hard.
What they said elsewhere in the stores where they had none
(surrounded by heaps of unsold virgin n97s, btw):rolleyes:
was simply no more stock. When? No more.

This "waiting for Meego N9" will put our patience to the test.
And it means MaemoLand will be ever the more interesting.

Ah well, whatever.

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Technically the n900 is not a smatphone, it's a 'mobile compyuter'...

Technically the n900 is not a consumer device. It's just step 4 out of 5 for crying out loud! So everyone in the market for a pocketable smarty^H^H^H^Hmobile computer should RESEARCH it thoroughly first and find out if rhey are smrt enough to own a n900.

You don't choose the n900, it chooses you.

Technically the resistive screen is superior to capacitive, because pin point accuracy and 'the old ways of doing things' is always better than anything else the idiots out there can think of.

Technically is always better than better.

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I really am confused by this ever changing strategy - unless Nokia just wants to give the message that they really don't want to go into the high-end category at all and just stick to Symbian.

Meego-harmattan was looking quite good going by the leaked videos and to the common man, that was Meego enough. Yes the dev community would still have hesitated to go full in with a hybrid which was to be short lived platform. But with QT I thought this was not a concern anymore ?

So what is the rationally for abandoning a near complete project and swiching mid-way to pure Meego which we all know is not complete as yet ? Another set of timelines, another round of development to a shifting target (completed Meego OS base), further erosion in credibility as a company strategy, and at last a new Meego device with even less apps than what a mid-way hamattan device would have helped spur.

So what's to be gained ?
Well like others said, I wouldn't count on a first generation pure Meego device as my primary device yet. At least with Meego-Harmattan I knew I could get something better than my Maemo device.