IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

MeeGo handset will be releaed on 2011H1.

It is too late !

At that time, iOS and Android will be even stronger.

Plus, WP7 will also rises.

WebOS and BlackBerry OS will be the supporting role on smartphone market in the future.


Back to MeeGo,
The corpration between NOKIA and INTEL is not that good.

NOKIA will not open their UI on N9 to INTEL, and INTEL only want to sell x86 CPUs. Supporting ARM is just to get NOKIA involved.

x86 MeeGo phone will release on 2011Q4.
There will be no chance at that time.

Intel do not need MeeGo necessarily.
It welcome Apple to use x86 CPU.

The only result I can see now is ofono and connman.

IMO,
NOKIA is now struggling, but will not be a main game player in the future on smartphone market.

Symbian is not good enough, MeeGo is too slow, I cannot see any hope.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

I don't know a smartphone running Maemo... And I don't think MeeGo is for smartphones, either.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

How can it be toooo late when you don't know anything about it?how it looks...how it feels...what it can do and not do.

wait and see.

But you can be right, meego might not be for you. But its other people out there :)

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

Please dont be kidding with me, buddy
MeeGo has a handset edtion, don't you know ?
N9 is not a smartphone ?

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

Its my predict based on the info I got till now.

There will be people like MeeGo, but just few.
Not popular and successful on consumer market,
like Maemo now.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

I actually can't say that for sure... But MeeGo is also for N900... And as N9 ain't out, we can only talk about devices like N900 which are going to have MeeGo soon.
But said MeeGo will be a tragedy like Maemo... So you said Maemo is for smartphones... While it's not!:) (Wish I had quoted)

Anyway... Nokia might not be very good in smartphone market, but its tablets are the best... Neither Apple, nor Blackberry has managed to make something like that, or even something similar.

Instead of talking about Nokia, you'd better talk about devices... I don't like Nokia very much, but I love N900... You should look at it this way.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

Correction, Optima OP5-E is running Maemo :

http://armdevices.net/2009/12/06/opt...-video-review/


And Meego will be like Skynet, you will find Meego everywhere, then the end of the world is coming soon :D

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

Before Moblin ( now Meego) move to RPM-based system, I have subscribed their mailing list and tested their development tool like Moblin Image Creator. It is an excellent development tool , you could tailor made a Linux distribution for specific device easily.

However, they missed an powerful IDE development environment. Ofcoz Linux developers are comfortable , but Windows developers will be very difficult to get started.

So I am not surprise that Intel cooperates with Nokia , as they have Qt and Qt Creator. However, I have no idea why Nokia agree the cooperation and deprecate Maemo.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

erm, won't comment on IOS, because its flaws are well known and have already been debated to death. If you're a member of this forum, you've already read it somewhere. As for android, i'm not too impressed by it either. yes its linux kernel based, but with just a lotta java stuff thrown on top, also it too has its stability issues, as i have found. Now WP7 is just getting started and if the way the os is setup to run is indication, it'll just be a competitor for iFools. There isn't anything quite like meego/maemo, and i'm perfectly fine not having a commercially successful OS on my phone, since i care more about its functionality for me versus, whether i see everyone running around with one. I don't necessarily see meego as being a failure unless the competitors you mentioned fix the glaring issue within their own OS's ( lack of multitasking, openess to system customization, crappy widget support, etc ) If they haven't got their act together by the time meego is launched, it could well give it to them hard where the sun doesn't shine.

While my n900 has flaws, none are truly major for me personally. of course i have a small wish that it had more nifty 3d games, but since i have a psp, i'm not really bothered.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

totally a non-issue with me. most consumers, wouldn't know how to fully utilize a device like the n900, and thats fine with me.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

Bullocks! Symbian is number one smartphone OS, and there is nothing in the industry that indicates this will change. The Nokia 5800 is the number one touch screen smart phone in numbers sold. Try figuring that out when "everybody" hates Symbian and "everybody" hates Nokia and "everybody" wants Android/iPhone/Win7.

Nokia and Symbian have had a dip lately, due to lack of high end devices that can compete with iPhone and high end Androids. This has changed, and the rest of this year, and the whole next year will be the year of the Nokia. :D

Meego is already being sold on tablets with 3g, HDMI, multitouch etc etc, and thanks to the success of the N8, the N9 will come as well. The N9 will not be a smartphone though, but can be used as such, just like the N900.

MeeGo will be huge. It will shake the foundations of the whole industry from (advanced) phones via tablets to PCs, and everything else that we never see.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

I have some questions for you...

This is a very stupid point to make.

It is never too late. IOS rose from nothing in 2007, to slowly become very successful. Android rose from nothing in 2009 and is slowly becoming very successful. It is never too late.

How on earth do you know this?


Why is Symbian not good? How do you know if Meego is slow when it hasn't been released?

Stating things without valid reasons only make YOU look bad.

Why do you think so?

You are just making statements without any reason or thought behind them..

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

everything is always to some extent too late b/c there will always be something to topple it of its mantle round the corner.
was android too late b/c iOS and the likes? NO, is WP7 too late b/c android beat it to market? does not look like it, as a lot of support
so why does MeeGo have to be too late? it could be the next bid thing, there is always the next big thing

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

OP: "IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!" - You're damn straight, MeeGo is going to kill iOS, Android and any other mobile OS out there.

Now, seriously, why should anyone be listening to you? You've obviously spent so much more time studying this subject. I guess we should all take your word for it above those of us that have actually been working with the platform ...

You're blatantly doing that thing that a lot of other users seem to want to do on here to blow off steam. Try getting a boyfriend or something and stop *****ing.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

Lol! Maemo as a tragedy... it have been the best OS for handhelds so far. iOS and Android would not have sufficed for me.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

+1, Maemo 5 is the best for me than all others, and Meego will be much better than maemo for sure, but we will see this in one year...

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

you r wrong my friend. MeeGo will be strong enough to compete with other OS . Therefore, it is delayed till 2011. During that time, Nokia & MeeGo team will study the markets well as the OS in order to make it powerful. so cut this idea from your mind. it will be something great man.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

Pros and cons of MeeGo on Nokia...

Pros:
+ Open.
+ More robust.
+ Size of Nokia (and Intel?) behind it.
+ Newer, less saturated platform. May be appealing to new developers. NOT a selling point to most users.
+ Qt and Symbian.

Cons:
- Competitors have significantly more userbase: aids in marketing, aftersales support, secondary market.
- Competitors have significantly more developers: Continuous new content, quicker to package/channel new trends into their ecosystems.
- Competitors have significantly more apps: More features and functionalities to cater to all sorts of niche userbases.
- Competitors already have significantly more 3rd party accessories, services, tie-ins and whatnot.

Without a very significant unique selling point, I'm afraid MeeGo may be too little too late.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

I really hope MeeGo does well and takes off. Its going to be more contingent on user experience over ANYTHING else. What is the user's experience on the device going to be like?

Nokia already has or has had its fingers in a lot of the markets that it needs to be really successful with a new OS in the modern era.
What kind of experience do consumer's want?

• Music - Comes With Music / Ovi Music
• Gaming - NGage
• Internet Browsing - Maemo devices
• Personal Information Management - Long history of Symbian E devices
• Core Calling Features - This has always been Nokia's core strength
• Applications - Ovi Store and Qt Development SDK

The list could go on, but Nokia really needs to pull those services together and integrate them well, just like Microsoft is doing with Windows Phone 7.

Lacking that integration and inclusiveness on DAY 1, and MeeGo will fail.

To be honest I think that each of your cons is far more negative than all of your positives combined.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

as long as Meego is similar to Maemo i dont care, i wish ive known maemo sooner, only when i bought the n900 that i got introduced to this wonderful os...

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

The only real trouble Meego has will be Android (and Windows Phone 7 depending on how stringent Microsoft is about licensing it out to others). Since those are the competitors that remove Meego's strongpoint (that any company could adopt it and use it).

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

Meego will be the most powerfull open source OS based on Linux ever made :

- MeeGo phones are in the works
- MeeGo tablets will also come (except wetab already exist)
- Netbooks and Internet-connected TVs (IPTVs).
- Cars with MeeGo-powered entertainment systems
- MeeGo will be incorporated in places as diverse as digital signs, kiosks and ATMs.
and Fisher said Intel is in talks with at least one other company. So Meego therefore could be used by other major phone brands and computers cies.

Briefly, personally I'm not worried about the future of Meego.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

Only for that statement: N900 does NOT count.

1) From Nokia side: N900 has been discontinued
2) From N900 user side: We dont have a choice. It is the only upgrade that is available for N900 owners, be it me-go, u-go, he-go, N900 owners look at it as a NineHundred-go, i.e., N900 users' take is NOT a vote of embrace/approval/recommendation. It is a natural progression.

bun

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

Hey, is this thing REAL? I thought it is a fluke. maemo with CDMA = fluke, right? Full discussion at forum.... "Problem with loading page". Anybody has more info on this? I am curious about maemo on nonNokia product. On a side topic, since Nokia no longer develope/interest maemo, would Nokia be interested to licence Maemo out? just a thought

bun

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

- "Comes with Music" may be good. Depending on price point.

- If "Nokia NGage" is as big a brand as "Sony PSP" or ""Nintendo DS", then that would be a valuable name to tag on. Perhaps it is on some markets (latin america? africa? sony and nintendo covers usa and aspac very well in this department), but universally it isn't. So I don't see the added value here...

- PIM? As long as they carry over the features and advantages of their past versions. Unfortunately, they didn't do this on maemo 5. Look at Modest for crying out loud ;(

I agree that it will at least fail against the press reviews.

Yes, that was my point...

Nokia still does have the biggest market reach though. If they make a homerun, they have a chance to make a fairly quick rebound?

If they can link their app store to the customers' phone bill and still make the prices reasonable, they can overstep Android Market and Apple's AppStore by a few steps ahead.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

IMO, MeeGo can become very successful but nly if Nokia and Intel (and others) will be serious about it.
There are still a lot of people not too happy about Android/iOS/Symbian so the OS that are out now certainly aren't perfect, which means there is room for MeeGO to be better than the competition in at least some areas. Nokia should be very aware of this, and stress the points in which MeeGo would be miles ahead of its competition. What MeeGo really needs, I think, is an appealing line up of devices. There should be a choice of devices like hardware keyboard vs only touchscreen, 3.x inch screen vs 4.x inches etc. Nokia had better make the Ui appealing to the masses as well. If you want to convince people to adopt a new OS you're not going to succeed with impressive specs alone, eye candy is important.

I'm very curious whether or not this will actually happen. Nokia had better be very excited when they officially announce MeeGo and the device that is going to run it, because if Nokia doesn't seem to be excited about it, why would I be?

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

Stop worrying for god's sake. Intel makes top of the line CPU, Nokia makes the best hardware, and that former Microsoft guy, the CEO of nokia knows how to make a OS great. Meego will fight it's way to the top. All it's needs it a decent UI and a great app store - the only reason everyone buys an iPhone is because of apps. Nokia's leaked UI looked great- too bad for you if you haven't seen it already. ( it got removed because of copyright) they just need a AppStore. I don't need to mention hardware, nokia always adds top of the line stuff to their phone.

Do everyone a favor - don't panic yet. And support the devs.
We all already know the stuff you are trying to tell us. It is just a waste of thread space.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

... not to be rude, but you really don't know what you are talking about.

Don't get me wrong MeeGo is uphill battle for Nokia and it can more than easily go horrible wrong, but you might be too young or haven't followed tech long enough to know that nothing is set to stone and most of these it's too late comments don't mean nothing other than you are maybe frustrated with the brand you like or like some other brand. In short emotions and nothing else.

Nokia might release one phone and perception has changed again. Lets also remember that Symbian actually went up last quarter where IOS came down.
http://www.nasdaq.com/aspx/stock-mar...tapplerim-fall

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

I think he was referring to sales. That thing that matters most to manufacturers. Yes we all love maemo but it has been a tragedy in terms of reach. I am guessing more iphone 4s were sold in first 6 hours of release than N900s have been sold in its entire life.

I disagree that it is too late for meego though. If all Nokia's top of the line phones next year are meego then meego is bound to have some mad sales. After all N97 sold a lot despite being one of the worst touch screen phones in history.

Thing I fear for meego in the smartphone sector is that it looks like Nokia just can't let symbian drop into the mid market as they suggested it would. So symbian is going to eat up a lot of potential meego sales. Also we are still yet to see other manufacturers by into meego but so many were ready to put their hand to windows phone 7. Maybe that will change when meego is nearer release but Nokia's abandoning N900 won't exactly fill them with confidence that meego will have a long life and so it is worth producing phones for.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

If you're fast, you can still see it before it will be removed :D

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywHgqPQNonc

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

Good points but not sure about cons :)

If Nokia gets Qt established via Symbian ^3 devices , they will have userbase and developers that just will be transferred and regarding services.... I dont think its a con , IMO i think its a pro , Nokia pushes Ovi and all related services pretty hard while learning from competition what works and what doesnt

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

Just like with Symbian even when it was in it's prime it was almost impossible for any other manufacturer to jump in and make profit other than Nokia(and in lesser extent, SE) so that's one point. And it's understandable that nobody wants to jump to OS that's essentially Nokia's "fightback OS" as it has been Nokia that many of these new manufacturers have been sucking life out of.


Like you said Nokia is still in very good position in that sense that if they will release good product all will know about it and i don't think that will change to anything at least in next year either. Difference what have happened in the past years is that another N97 isn't enough anymore as high end market doesn't take anything Nokia offers.
If Nokia really manages to wow people with MeeGo phone next year that phone will sell alot imo, but that will be seen. :)

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

That's an IF, and Qt is covered in the Pros section already ;)

I would categorize Ovi as a 'fail' so far. It's out there and available, yet it propagates negative experience to both potential customers and developers in higher % than its competitors.

We'll have to wait and see how Ovi develop.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

This is nuts.

Blackberry OS, iOS, and Symbian were all strong when Android started chipping away at them.

Another OS can do the same to Android.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

It is irrelevant mostly. MeeGo is a full fledged OS. There is nothing there that is crippled or closed or whatever. It is free and open source. It works out of the box on Intel and ARM, and even includes a (vanilla) UX that gets better and better each day. Try installing the newest ARM 1.0.99 version. It actually looks and behave close to Android standard now (which was not the case a couple of weeks ago). The netbook version has been working for half a year, and will be updated in a weeks time. Never in history has there been anything like MeeGo. It is a complete set of building blocks for any kind of HW manufacturer in need of a royalty free OS that he can shape and use at will.

Nokia will be using it with Qt and Qt Quick enabling apps that can easily be ported to Maemo and Symbian. Other manufacturers may choose differently regarding UX.

But being a fully operational OS in all respects, sort of excludes it from being a top notch smartphone OS. Mobile computer - yes, but it is too power hungry to become a good OS for phones because you expect a phone to last longer than 5-6 hours. Maybe in 3-4 years it will be OK when hardware has evolved? who knows.

MeeGo is an OS made by HW manufacturers for HW manufacturers. Let's say you want to make a new flashy tablet or netbook or mobile computer (smartphone-ish tablet). Wouldn't you rather have all the worlds of possibilities using a free and open source OS, that you can shape as much or as little as you want? and still be certain that the OS is constantly maintained. With any other alternative you have to pay lots of money, your hands will be tied and you will have to compete with everyone else's systems that look exactly the same.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

What's up with all the ridiculous commodity fetishist voices which try to elevate Meego to some kind of (failing) "chosen one", and all the hysteria that comes along with it...
Kind of repulsive, to say the least.

I choose whatever suits my needs/workflow, as long as it's anti-cloud and anti-jail. If Meego fails, sooner or later a similar less data-greedy, less restrictive option will emerge. It has always been that way.

I suggest you CTFO and get a fruitful hobby instead wasting ressources with your Meego/Android/whatever tattoo.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

It's still very early in the mobile device market. Right now, we're probably at about the point in mobiles that PCs were at when early Macs were the cool thing to have and M$ was about to release Windoze 3.1 to try and compete. Only now it's iPhone vs WinMo 7 (with Android, Symbian, etc. complicating the scene). And we know who won the desktop OS war. So anything could still happen.

MeeGo can do it, no question. It will be the most powerful, capable mobile OS available. But it will have to:
a. Get full support from not only Nokia, but other manufacturers, like Android has.
b. Get supported by wireless carriers. Ordinary people want and need customer support for their device.
c. The hardware for the first units must be killer! Because poor hardware will kill it.
d. The entire MeeGo package offered - market,, UI, services, basic software (email, browser, bluetooth, etc.) must be right from the beginning. IOW, all the basic stuff users coming from other brands expect has to just work.

If there's failure in any of these areas, the MeeGo forum, like this one, will get bombarded with users pissed because (insert complaint about MMS, email, ringtones or whatever here) on their previous (insert iPhone, Nexus One, E71 or whatever here) worked or worked better.

It's just a friggin' shame that custom ringtones are more important to so many users than an entire concept like MeeGo. But, people are stupid...

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

So what?
How does this directly increase the general marketability of MeeGo? (Which is basically the main subject of this thread).

If I'm making a tablet for myself, that would be the case.
If I'm making a tablet to sell, then I will use a completely different metric.

Thus the disconnect.

Everyone who doesn't see the necessity of building a commercially successful product (to support their hobby) is living in a pocket of ignorance that will one day bite them on their bum.

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

I wouldn't be too concerned since your hobby could be put into practice with a semi-rotten PII and a light linux distro...

Re: IMO, MeeGo will be a tragedy on smartphone market like Maemo!
 

When Android came to town...

Blackberry = Strong in enterprise, generally weak everywhere else.

Apple = Strong contender, but had serious issues with Job's 'deathgrip' (artificial limitations). Targets the top niche of the price range.

Symbian = Weak brand name. Lots of hidden (buried?) capabilities. It was 'sold with the phone', imho they're much less so (not really?) a contender in this respect.