Who said Nokia did not do false advertising? look at this
 

When a lot of fellow members said Nokia did a false advertising about the free navigation every-one went NO NO NO they did not. what is this then?

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Do i miss something or are you paying Nokia for using ovi map?

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Yes you missed it, what I am using with OVI map is routing not navigation.

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Umm.. it has free navigation.. but it doesn't have turn by turn option.. and that's what _we're_ complaining about.. In the picture it doesn't say anything about Turn by turn.. So no false advertisement there..

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I've heard those old legends about sea captains "navigating" with maps, maybe it's just old myths.

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I would say its not false but misleading , because "free navigation" is what we indeed have, you can use N900's Ovi maps to go from one point to another but it doesnt have voice commands, lane assist (for highway driving) , POI system and pretty much any sense which route is the best in other words CRAP

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http://img813.imageshack.us/img813/7...01108atpm1.png

Nokia did use the term 'free navigation' to refer to the turn by turn feature.

Would google claim 'free navigation forever' if their map app doesn't have any online services (turn by turn) component?
Would any app claim to provide their core (offline) functions 'free forever'?

Look at the picture above. What do you think?

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common guys the n900 is now so long out and you guys are still whinung about their advertisments?
i guess in 10 years someone will still say common nokia where is the turn by turn navigation you was talking about?

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I once drove from Finland to Denmark relying only on my N900 for navigation. It did a good enough job for me.

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Hell yes.

People are complaining about the "reality distortion field" from Steve Jobs; why not point out that you know... there's a bit of misleading in that wondrous thing called "advertising".

Shockingly enough, people seem to forget that advertising is much like a P.T. Barnum exercise of say one thing, deliver another and have a way of making the poor sucker believe that got more than what was stated. Somehow.

Semantics be damned.

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Can you explain in more details what do you mean by "you drove" and "good job" :)

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So every computer today has a free navigation? would you agree with that?
since you can use zillion different maps on it and they can route your way?

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And explain what you mean by "I". I need full denotation please.

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Ok.. if it's false advertisement.. then go ahead sue Nokia and see if you would win the case.. which I doubt.

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Ok, to those claiming that Nokia was talking about 'ye olde paper map navigation' whenever they use the term 'navigation', please tell me why on earth would they need to claim the blatantly obvious here:

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I could agree if every computer had an internet connection, or maps on the harddrive or a GPS module.

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you can get Microsoft Street and Trips which stays on your HD if you own windows.

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I would leave that to others who have more money than I do, but my point is towards the perception of Nokia to its customers. NOT to sue and be rich.

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We need a subforum for Nokia complaints. Maybe that'd temper the noise that echoes across the whole forum.

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SO I guess thats not every computer.:)

BTW my N900 has functioning turn by turn navigation, guess I'm the lucky one. I calculated a road and ferry route from Victoria BC to Isla Mujeres Mexico, my Garmin couldn't.

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http://europe.nokia.com/support/prod...g-and-coverage

Which version do N900 have? Like version 1?

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I thought this was going to be about the browser with flash support. :s

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Maps on N900 is next to useless for most people because it can't search offline.

This was the big advantage of Ovi/Nokia maps of old and is the main reason why N900 Maps is so disappointing.

But let's get real here - are we really saying Nokia should've clearly warned potential N900 customers about it's limitations in this, or any other area?

I have whined on about this before as well, so the OP has my sympathy, but do what I should've done far earlier - go buy Sygic.

You'll soon forget about N900 Maps and realise the value of a smart investment.

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That you people are crybabies, really. False advertising? Free navigation? Free: check, navigation capabilities: check, comes pre-installed and requires no steps to make functional: check.

Expecting more than what was ever promised is the issue here.

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At worst it's a lie of omission.
At best it's just you being nitpicky.

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yup, i remember when nokia first announced free turn-by-turn navigation for life, it was coined by them as "free navigation for life". and I remember seeing something about the n900 is going to receive free navigation, which it didnt, and im asuming is not going to...

still kinda lame...

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So who here has ever successfully used Ovi maps?

I tried it once and ended up deleting it using Mappero instead after it couldn't find a single POI I needed.

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I have. Plenty of times, actually.

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Now link it to the first post in this thread.
You get the OP's complaint.

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Heh. "Other" or "Maps for N900"
http://europe.nokia.com/support/prod...upport/how-to/

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You people really need to calm down. This "false advertising" will never stand up in court. Yes I'm really annoyed that Ovi maps on the N900 has no auto re-routing or voice guidance but "free navigation", even a primitive form of turn by turn, it does have.

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Can we stop the b******g and moaning.

I'm in the UK so will only be addressing this from a UK legal perspective.

The sale of goods act 1979, with 1994 ammendments states that.

When you go shopping anything you buy is covered by a law called the Sale of Goods Act 1979. This means that when you buy a product it should be:

* as described
* fit for purpose
* of satisfactory quality

As described

This means that the item you buy should be the same as any description of it. A description could be what the seller has said to you about the item or something written in a brochure.
Fit for purpose

What you buy should be able to do the job that it was made for. Also, goods should be fit for any specific purpose you agreed with the seller at the time of sale. For example, if you were looking to buy a printer and asked the seller if it would work with your computer then that advice has to be correct.
Satisfactory quality

Goods that are of satisfactory quality are:

* free from minor defects (problems)
* of a good appearance and finish
* strong and safe

It goes on to say that the goods MUST be of equal quality to and demo products/services.

The OVI maps advert says free navigation, and shows lesser spec'd devices running full blown sat nav by means of OVI maps 3.5.
It is therefore justifyable to believe this device should also have maps 3.5.

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Incorrect. You can't just say "that device has this capability, so this device must have it too!", it just doesn't work like that. If it did I'd be rich: I'd just sue everyone around for not providing everything possible, like for example I see plenty of lesser specced devices running Windows Mobile, therefore I am justified to get Windows Mobile too on my N900. Sounds reasonable? No? That's what I thought.

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forget all the legal wrangling of false advertising or not - engaging in forum wars here is like the special olympics....

If you dont like the N900 and feel cheated, then just never buy a Nokia again, and recommend to all your friends and family also not to buy Nokia again. Tell them to buy a Andriod or iphone or blackberry or what not instead.

Nokia is not going to give a **** what you post here - they already stated they never read this site or care what about the opinions of those posting here. See the long running controversies about Flash and Ovi store (Ovi Store for n900 is much better example of Nokia **** spin IMO)

Stop wasting your time, go out and breath some fresh air and buy and enjoy another phone instead.

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It still sucks because when I hear FREE navigation and I buy and I realize that I have the maps but have to pay to search I feel kinnda cheated.

It's just plain wrong to be dropped in a random spot in the world and be unable to get back, or help, or anywhere else because maps, search and routing is unavailable.

I think it is based on a half-truth, namely, "navigation". This implies a set of features. And searching and routing and local maps are, IMO, required.

Is it still a car if it has no doors and seatbelts?

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Exactly!

From NOKIA's website:
"Ovi Maps – Free navigation forever on Nokia smartphones."

So is the N900 not a NOKIA smartphone?

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Pay to search? How come?

Searching works fine, and that it draws a clear, red line on the map from point A to B does sound like routing to me. And local maps? Yes, I have that too. Just install Ovi Suite and download the maps you want. It is silly that it requires you to open a 3G/2G connection to search, but if you have the maps downloaded it actually doesn't use the connection for anything.

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Becuase offline mode doesn't work so you always need an internet connection to search for an address, which costs some users money!

Nail on the head. ROUTING NOT NAVIGATION!

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Having the connection open doesn't cost money, only transmitting or receiving data does. And as I said, if you have downloaded the maps to your phone it actually doesn't use the connection for anything even if it is open.

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No but it is misleading marketing.
I don't know what the laws in Finland are like, but here in the UK things like that are not acceptable!