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TiagoTiago 2010-11-08 23:56

Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
I was reading about the Playstation phone the other day and i was thinking, Nokia should revive the N-Gage brand and get big game companies to start releasing serious games to the N900 and upcoming MeeGo based gamephones and general use devices by Nokia. Make a N-Gage store to sell those games directly to owners of the devices, get a little commission for the sales (or rent for hosting the games or whatever), and control the quality of the games so being associated with the N-Gage brand is considered a badge of honor (while not closing the devices to homebrew and niche games).

Also, they should release a kickass N-Gage branded, MeeGo based, gamephone, analog inputs (yes, plural), plenty of ergonomic buttons etc; but preferably keeping the system similar enough to the N900 to allow the same games to be played on it as well (though in some cases it would probably be with slightly less details or not so ideal performance, and somewhat more awkward controls, that is if not using external input devices like bluetooth game controllers etc)



Btw, regarding buttons, don't stick with just the thumb, add some buttons behind so the remaining fingers need not to be idle just gripping.


ps:make sure to instruct the game companies to use open standards, let people install the games they legally acquire on devices by other brands that respect standards, this will be an added stimulus to make sure Nokia devices will be made with intention of being better than the competition increasing the odds Nokia fanboys will get superior hardware at a competitive price, also of course making Nokia look better in the eyes of the general consumer.




pps:don't screw it up, Nokia can't afford to give more reasons for once faithful customers to be disappointed with them

danramos 2010-11-09 01:13

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
http://pleco.org/heh/lolcat.jpg

wmarone 2010-11-09 01:22

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 867608)

C'mon, you know deep down you want a new side talkin' taco.

kureyon 2010-11-09 01:25

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
N-Gage is already tainted by 2 miserably failed attempts.

danramos 2010-11-09 21:14

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by wmarone (Post 867614)
C'mon, you know deep down you want a new side talkin' taco.

http://www.bruceongames.com/wp-conte...ngage-taco.jpg

etuoyo 2010-11-09 21:22

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
If Nokia could not succeed in this area when it's only competition was the Gameboy what chance does it have now that there is the almighty DS plus Sony PSP, PSP Phone, iphone and ipod touch and also games on android market? No chance. The N Gage would just die a horrible and painful death.

atilla 2010-11-09 21:28

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
n gage is dead i mean really dead.and noone wants a zombie game platform.
but some good hq 3d games like gameloft ones could be a good start....

Radicalz38 2010-11-09 21:30

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
Yeah then make some Q-Gage... Derived from QT generation :p

festivalnut 2010-11-09 21:32

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
they tried just that with the n95, i dont have any figures or facts about it, but despite the games being relatively good it doesnt seem to have been a huge success.

Radicalz38 2010-11-09 21:35

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
That's because it's pretty limited... If you only know how many countries can't buy N-Gage. Plus also it's all because of BinPDA :p
No profit = No Support = No N-Gage
And admit it. Average people won't know what's N-Gage unless they have already bought the phone...
And last... Battery issues :D You bought a phone you don't want it to loose battery life always because of gaming :rolleyes:

atilla 2010-11-09 21:40

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
i bought for my n95-8gb resident evil degeneration.
it was nice but a little bit short

danramos 2010-11-09 21:42

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Radicalz38 (Post 868473)
That's because it's pretty limited... If you only know how many countries can't buy N-Gage. Plus also it's all because of BinPDA :p
No profit = No Support = No N-Gage
And admit it. Average people won't know what's N-Gage unless they have already bought the phone...
And last... Battery issues :D You bought a phone you don't want it to loose battery life always because of gaming :rolleyes:

Wasn't OviStore supposed to solve that? How's that OviStore workin' out for ya?

mobiledivide 2010-11-09 21:47

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N-Gage has too much negative brand perception. It was another concept way before its time offering stuff that is standard in gaming now like gamertags, trophies etc but it didn't offer a good enough ux to stick and they didn't innovate quick enough. They should just bring some of those elements into the Ovi ecosystem and launch it across Meego/symbian next year.

cfh11 2010-11-09 22:01

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Even better yet... Nokia should make a splash in the 3D gaming market!

http://27.media.tumblr.com/YYV3RqGZQ...rZfdo1_400.jpg

tissot 2010-11-09 22:01

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
N-gage did live fairly long inside Symbian phones much after the N-gage phones as kind portal for mobile gaming. Nokia threw the brand totally out as they started to build OVI as the end of it all considering their services.

OVI is the place to get it all and if anything Nokia has been hard in work to simplify for long time now so bringing back N-gage imo is the last thing they should do. Maybe if/when Symbian/MeeGo have gathered nice amount of games we can start talking about OVI games. Something similar Apple has done.

mankir 2010-11-09 22:36

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
The fight is over, ten years ago Nokia should have used it's power, market leadership is gone for a long time! On my oppinion, the N900 (like the communicators before) is the best phone on the market, but not at this price for the dumb masses...

btw, i hate this windows phone advertising (everything on your homescreen, even video and music LOL). i like apple (first company which thought about software useability and ergonomics) for beating microsoft up, but i dislike it for every dictatorial behaviour else! And i like google for bringing usefull technology to the masses...

bandora 2010-11-09 22:45

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I really don't understan why people post these demands on a _community site_...

Texrat 2010-11-09 22:51

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kureyon (Post 867615)
N-Gage is already tainted by 2 miserably failed attempts.

The concept is sound.

Nokia's execution was poor all three times (last was service only).

If they try again, the N-Gage name should not be invoked.

danramos 2010-11-09 22:59

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by bandora (Post 868532)
I really don't understan why people post these demands on a _community site_...

Because it's a discussion point. I demand you shut your face hole and speak up! ;)

qwazix 2010-11-09 23:04

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
Classic Nokia! Good idea, bad marketing...
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SaraSweet69 live

MINKIN2 2010-11-09 23:24

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
One of the N-gages big problems was the fact thaht it was a little too "open". Piracy was so rife with those phones that they made the Dreamcast look like the Pentagons mainframe system :)

Awesome phones though

sjgadsby 2010-11-09 23:41

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by qwazix (Post 868546)
Classic Nokia! Good idea, bad marketing...

Actually, I believe I saw several times more marketing material for the original N-Gage than every other Nokia product combined. There were ads in magazines, floor-standing displays in stores, and more--everything Nokia doesn't do in the United States for other products.

Nokia actually tried to market N-Gage. One of its major problems then was product design. The much lampooned "sidetalking" killed the devices as phones, and the placement of the game cartridge slot behind the battery (plus a weak game lineup) killed the devices as portable game systems.

Additionally, during the time of the N-Gage devices, gaming wasn't as socially acceptable for adults as it is now. At the same time, people weren't yet commonly purchasing mobile phones for children. So, there wasn't much of a market.

Now, gaming on mobile devices is considerably more socially acceptable (at least for casual games) and support for it on devices has become a given. I can't see a clear need for a gaming brand on a given set of phones, unless you're bringing an established name over from the gaming world: Xbox or PSP Phone, for instance.

Nokia needs to provide a good gaming experience on their devices, particularly the highish end ones. They also need to gather a good line up of titles. What they don't need is N-Gage.

danramos 2010-11-10 00:33

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 868557)
Actually, I believe I saw several times more marketing material for the original N-Gage than every other Nokia product combined. There were ads in magazines, floor-standing displays in stores, and more--everything Nokia doesn't do in the United States for other products.

Nokia actually tried to market N-Gage. One of its major problems then was product design. The much lampooned "sidetalking" killed the devices as phones, and the placement of the game cartridge slot behind the battery (plus a weak game lineup) killed the devices as portable game systems.

Additionally, during the time of the N-Gage devices, gaming wasn't as socially acceptable for adults as it is now. At the same time, people weren't yet commonly purchasing mobile phones for children. So, there wasn't much of a market.

Now, gaming on mobile devices is considerably more socially acceptable (at least for casual games) and support for it on devices has become a given. I can't see a clear need for a gaming brand on a given set of phones, unless you're bringing an established name over from the gaming world: Xbox or PSP Phone, for instance.

Nokia needs to provide a good gaming experience on their devices, particularly the highish end ones. They also need to gather a good line up of titles. What they don't need is N-Gage.

http://www.istockphoto.com/file_thum...he-purpose.jpg

maluka 2010-11-10 06:20

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 868485)
Wasn't OviStore supposed to solve that? How's that OviStore workin' out for ya?

The OVI store's download growth has actually been phenomenal. It's download rate is growing faster than any app store right now. It also has a broader global footprint than any other app store.

Here's some stats

Quote:

Statistics
as of: October 28, 2010
Content

* There are 2.7 million downloads a day with an average of 2.6 apps downloaded per visit
* About 90% of the daily traffic to Ovi Store converts to downloads
* 85% of the signed in visitors to Ovi Store are repeat visitors
* Each active user is averaging 8.5 downloads per month
* Active users in 190+ countries
* Games continue to be #1 for paid downloads and apps continue to be #1 for free downloads
* 90% of mobile consumers now have Ovi Store in their local language
* Publishers from more than 90 countries are distributing their content through Ovi Store

Devices

* More than 135 devices are supported, 80 are Symbian devices
* 6 of the top 10 downloading devices are touch devices: 5800 XpressMusic, N97, N97 mini, 5530 XpressMusic, 5230 Nuron, and X6 where available
* Prominent Eseries devices included E63, E71 and E72
* The 5130 XpressMusic and 2700 classic are the top downloading Series 40 devices

Markets

* The most active countries in alphabetical order are: China, Germany, India, Indonesia, Italy, Saudi Arabia, Thailand, Turkey, UK and Vietnam
* Over 80% of these consumers can purchase from Ovi Store using their local currency
* In countries where mobile billing is available, more than 2/3 of customers choose this payment option
* With support for 30 language variations, 90% of Ovi Store visitors are using their local language when available

bandora 2010-11-10 06:31

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 868540)
Because it's a discussion point. I demand you shut your face hole and speak up! ;)

Lol, yes a discussion would be nice about it.. but the title says.. Hey Nokia, why don't you blah blah blah.. So he's saying that directly to "Nokia".. So yeah..

My thoughts on this is.. leave N-Gage alone.. Just add community services to the games (Ovi Games).. try to get the developers to use that service too...

So basically, kind of like maybe Crystal for Angry Birds.. :)

TiagoTiago 2010-11-10 06:45

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Radicalz38 (Post 868473)
....

And last... Battery issues :D You bought a phone you don't want it to loose battery life always because of gaming :rolleyes:

Well, game or no game, the battery life of the N900 is already scarily thin somtimes...


Regarding the fail smell on N-Gage, Nokia as a whole hasn't been all that pleasing either lately; personally i wouldn't mind giving the N-Gage brand another chance, specially if Nokia doesn't screw it up this time. Personally i got more bad memories associated with "OVI" than N-Gage.


Regarding piracy, the whole PC software industry has grown all these years even with the piracy going on, if anything, the easiness of copying PC software helped lots of brands to get known and popular, even Windows wouldn't be as popular and widespread as it is today if from early on there wasn't lots of people copying and installing it everywhere. Contrary to the misguided propaganda by big record companies and movie studios, piracy doesn't hurt busyness, and in many cases, it even helps it.

ossipena 2010-11-10 07:17

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TiagoTiago (Post 867544)
I was reading about the Playstation phone the other day and i was thinking, Nokia should revive the N-Gage brand

revive it again?

it probably is too painful to retry it, first N-Gage came in 2003, no-one was ready for it except 4 guys. Then they tried again 2007-2008 with no luck. http://gizmodo.com/233966/its-offici...s-in-september

I'd say now it is the safest bet to wait for a while and see how winmo7 gets started with gaming and if playstation phone ever arrives to retail stores....

danramos 2010-11-11 20:03

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maluka (Post 868802)
The OVI store's download growth has actually been phenomenal. It's download rate is growing faster than any app store right now. It also has a broader global footprint than any other app store.

Here's some stats

FANTASTIC numbers! Although, you have to remember that there are a LOT of cheap Nokia phones out there world-wide, so the numbers would be pretty high for number of downloads and such. So.. let's revisit the topic again...

How's that software library for ovistore working out for your N900? Does it compete well with game consoles for downloadable game libraries? Are the miserably broken experiences people complained about with OviStore fixed yet (payment problems, developers having a hard time getting in, etc.)?

atilla 2010-11-11 20:12

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yeah they are all fixed.
no one is buying there any more.....

danramos 2010-11-11 20:36

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Quote:

Originally Posted by atilla (Post 870727)
yeah they are all fixed.
no one is buying there any more.....

Why, pray tell?

kureyon 2010-11-12 07:00

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by danramos (Post 870752)
Why, pray tell?

Because of your incredible powers of dissuasion ;)

danramos 2010-11-12 21:50

Re: Hey Nokia, why don't you revive the N-Gage brand and start bringing some serious pwnage to the Maemo/MeeGo platform?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kureyon (Post 871172)
Because of your incredible powers of dissuasion ;)

I also have the ability to communicate with corn.


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