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ME2g 2010-11-12 09:04

WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
I've read that the new Windows Phone 7 has only limited
multitasking - or is there none at all?

"We have chosen to only enable a certain number of applications to run in the background…” He’s then asked about multitasking “music, third party music services” and responds “no, Zune music service” and confirms it’s first party (meaning MS) only.
[...]
[ http://mobilitydigest.com/wp7-multit...s-who-you-ask/ ]

"So wurde auf der Konferenz allen anwesenden Entwicklern unmissverständlich gesagt, dass sie davon ausgehen sollen, dass ihre Anwendung geschlossen wird, sobald der Nutzer zu einer anderen App wechselt. "
[ http://winfuture.de/news,54248.html ]

"One of the major issues near and dear to my heart is multitasking, and Microsoft appears to be taking cues from Apple because third-party programs won’t be able to fully run in the background."
[ http://www.intomobile.com/2010/03/18...-multitasking/ ]

"With the announcement that Copy & Paste would be landing on Windows Phone 7 handsets some time in the first half of 2011, with no precise date to focus on
[...]
This new rumor suggests that the update in January will indeed include Copy & Paste, but it will also bring Turn-by-Turn navigation in Bing Maps to Windows Phone 7 devices, as well as multitasking."
[ http://www.slashgear.com/windows-pho...ests-13107791/ ]

N900 way ahead of it's time again?
:D

volt 2010-11-12 09:15

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
I don't think we can say that the N900 is ahead of it's time again, here. Windows Mobile had multitasking.

Then Microsoft listened to what Steve Jobs said about multitasking being bad. So Microsoft announced Windows Phone 7- Now Without Multitasking™!

Just what he'd waited for, Steve Jobs immediately announced that he'd reinvented multitasking and IOS was even better than the better before.

So, dragging it's tail between the legs, Microsoft had to go back on the announcement box and say: "There's gonna be Multitasking in WP7. We just, uhm, didn't get it ready in time cause Ste... somebody hadn't told us yet."

Microsoft did a WTF on multitasking in Windows Phone 7, rendering it unattractive to most WM6 users. And then they did a very late 180, so multitasking is supposedly on the way.

I don't think the N900 can take any credit for being early here, though. My previous Windows phone had both multitasking and a working task manager.

Edit: instead, the N900 can take credit for being the best at multitasking.

pycage 2010-11-12 09:16

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
Yes, that's what I've heard a while ago, too.

Apple reinvented "Mulitasking", so of course the Apple-style of multitasking is now hip among the cool kids. Thanks Steve Jobs!

Us grown-ups can still use Symbian, Maemo, or MeeGo of course. :)

ysss 2010-11-12 09:23

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
Cursory examinations without actual insight to the important 'how' and 'why' behind the decisions.

anwar71839 2010-11-12 09:42

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by volt (Post 871253)
I don't think we can say that the N900 is ahead of it's time again, here. Windows Mobile had multitasking.

Then Microsoft listened to what Steve Jobs said about multitasking being bad. So Microsoft announced Windows Phone 7- Now Without Multitasking™!

Just what he'd waited for, Steve Jobs immediately announced that he'd reinvented multitasking and IOS was even better than the better before.

So, dragging it's tail between the legs, Microsoft had to go back on the announcement box and say: "There's gonna be Multitasking in WP7. We just, uhm, didn't get it ready in time cause Ste... somebody hadn't told us yet."

Microsoft did a WTF on multitasking in Windows Phone 7, rendering it unattractive to most WM6 users. And then they did a very late 180, so multitasking is supposedly on the way.

I don't think the N900 can take any credit for being early here, though. My previous Windows phone had both multitasking and a working task manager.

Edit: instead, the N900 can take credit for being the best at multitasking.

This is what I call entertainment. Lmfao

kureyon 2010-11-12 11:22

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
This is just the latest in the long saga of what MS's R&D department calls "innovation" but what the rest of the world calls "stealing and copying ideas from other people".

When I first read about WP7 not having copy & paste in the initial release I thought WTF they love the iphone so much that they're even copying that (pun unintentional).

RobbieThe1st 2010-11-12 11:39

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
I'm just glad that I don't have to deal with MS or Jobs.
I get full multitasking, as many third party apps of -any- sort as I want, and no lock-in. I can use any number of music/ebook/video/whatever and have it work, and even use my n900 as a portable harddisk(bootable, even).
I'm so happy I found the n770 when I was looking for tablets, compared to an Android device like an Archos.

johnel 2010-11-12 11:40

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
Also with WP7 casual Developers won't be allowed to "multitask" their apps or use certain elements of the UI - you have to be a "Microsoft Partner" to be allowed to do any of that malarky.

johnel 2010-11-12 11:58

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
Just seen this

This is a throw-back to the days of Psion handhelds and Palm PDAs - these devices would save the current state of the app and then close it when the user "switched" to something else.

This was understandable when memory was small and CPUs were slow (e.g. 64Mb ram and 250mhz CPU).

Apple and Microsoft seem to be determined to reverse the progress made other computer companies.

Then again these kind of restrictions means that components are cheaper but charge a premium price anyway.

A win-win for the company (cheap components and higher profits).

A lose-lose for the consumer (less than premium product but charged premium price).

ossipena 2010-11-12 12:25

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by volt (Post 871253)
I don't think the N900 can take any credit for being early here, though. My previous Windows phone had both multitasking and a working task manager.

who has claimed such things?!?

this is at least one of the first nokians to multitask:

http://www.interstar.ua/mobile/img/p...600_add_62.jpg

raaj13 2010-11-12 12:45

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 871437)
who has claimed such things?!?

this is at least one of the first nokians to multitask:

http://www.interstar.ua/mobile/img/p...600_add_62.jpg

i have still got it:)

El Amir 2010-11-12 13:05

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by raaj13 (Post 871456)
i have still got it:)

Same here. Definitely one of the best phones I ever had. Introduced me to the world of smartphones! :D

kureyon 2010-11-12 14:13

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnel (Post 871419)
This is a throw-back to the days of Psion handhelds and Palm PDAs - these devices would save the current state of the app and then close it when the user "switched" to something else.

This was understandable when memory was small and CPUs were slow (e.g. 64Mb ram and 250mhz CPU).

I don't know about the Palm, but the Psion Series 3 multitasked beautifully and could do using only 128KB of RAM and a CPU running at 4.7MHz.

raaj13 2010-11-12 16:21

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by kureyon (Post 871522)
I don't know about the Palm, but the Psion Series 3 multitasked beautifully and could do using only 128KB of RAM and a CPU running at 4.7MHz.

256 KB RAM i think. and 20 to 35 hrs battery life with 4.3" screen.much better then today's power hungry PDA's i think.
http://www.pdadb.net/img/psion_s3.jpg

kureyon 2010-11-12 19:56

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by raaj13 (Post 871633)
256 KB RAM i think

The original Series 3 (ie not the Series 3a & 3c) came in 2 models 128KB & 256KB.

Quote:

and 20 to 35 hrs battery life with 4.3" screen.much better then today's power hungry PDA's i think.
And the beauty is that it uses 2 x AA batteries which will still be obtainable decades from now (and will benefit from increased capacity as technology improves). Unlike today's devices which become obsolete when your battery dies and you can't get replacements.

atilla 2010-11-12 20:25

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by johnel (Post 871419)
Just seen this

This is a throw-back to the days of Psion handhelds and Palm PDAs - these devices would save the current state of the app and then close it when the user "switched" to something else.

This was understandable when memory was small and CPUs were slow (e.g. 64Mb ram and 250mhz CPU).

Apple and Microsoft seem to be determined to reverse the progress made other computer companies.

Then again these kind of restrictions means that components are cheaper but charge a premium price anyway.

A win-win for the company (cheap components and higher profits).

A lose-lose for the consumer (less than premium product but charged premium price).

offtopic:thanks for sharing the links in your signature.i had many questions about meego and already searched for some good information.

Dave999 2010-11-12 20:45

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
Bing maps. Who came up with that name? :)

just made my night.

patlak 2010-11-12 21:36

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 871437)
who has claimed such things?!?

this is at least one of the first nokians to multitask:

http://www.interstar.ua/mobile/img/p...600_add_62.jpg

Nokia 6600, my all time favorite. Will never sell that phone :)

However, the first s60 multitasker mean machine is the 7650:

http://img.gsmarena.com/vv/pics/nokia/no7650_00.jpg

Still a beauty :)

Rauha 2010-11-12 21:44

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Dave999 (Post 871874)
Bing maps. Who came up with that name? :)

The guy who lost his job at Microsoft after coming up with that name. Luckily Nokia and Intel hired him for inventing name for their new OS.

volt 2010-11-13 01:06

Re: WP7 only with limited multitasking?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ossipena (Post 871437)
who has claimed such things?!?

this is at least one of the first nokians to multitask:

http://www.interstar.ua/mobile/img/p...600_add_62.jpg

As to who had claimed such a thing, it was a direct response to N900 (not Nokia) being ahead of it's time with the multitasking.

That's not the N900 you've got, durr.


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