N900 still epic
 

So after owning the N900 since launch day, I must say it is still epic. My co-workers both have Android OS phones like the HTC Evo and Samsung Captivate and they still envy many of the things the N900 does.

Of course we're all IT professionals so they "get it."

I must say the overclocked kernel + Swappolube makes the N900 fly.

I know most don't give a crap about this, but I was playing with the N900 last night and it suddenly hit me just how fast and responsive the N900 is after watching a coworker browse around on his brand new Captivate.

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exactly. and it is really shame. is the speed of epic device evolution frozen?

and n900 is unfortunately last of its kind. hopefully meego will have enough headroom for modding the system but it probably is at least harder...

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I'm loving my n900!

I work with it day and night!

Meego-Devices will not be the same.
They're not debian based.
It will be much more difficult to adapt them.
There will be an atempt to impose commercial software on the open meege system.

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I have this worry too, but I don't think it'll be as locked down as it could have been. Android has an clear advantage in the market (perception) and MeeGo has to bring something that can compete with that. Qt is just a platform, not a reason to buy it. So, I think they will have to keep it highly modable. After all, if they don't, what would then be the difference between MeeGo and Symbian^3? Different GUI colours? MeeGo is supposed to be the top end alternative, over Symbian^3.

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One of my concerns about Meego is the DRM "security" layer built into the platform.

It really depends how far they are willing to lock-down the handset (at the request of mobile operators).

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when i use qtirreco (not sure what app that uses n900 as remote for tv's) to kinda scare my co-workers at lunch time (you know, tuning channels without the tv's remote). what they said is "man! you are a very dangerous person holding a wicked device!"

i even showed them the VNC thing......trying to make a printer work on a laptop. (the only problem was the electric connections though) and yeah......lots of awesomeness!!!!

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yeh its pretty much been an year, i think i got mine on the 25th?(not too sure about the date) here in new york nokia store. on the second day of launch. wow its almost been an year and its been with me for 5 different countries, hours of net, hours of calling, countless photos and videos and lot of exciting things and fun things.. all for 620 bucks lol.

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i'd say its a big bang for a buck

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Got mine day after black Friday so been almost a year. Unfortunately we have been apart the last three months due to faulty usb port issue but looks like I may finally get an N900 back in my hands next week.

Is there a real benefit in overclocking and swappolube on PR 1.3? Many people say 1.3 has made the device very snappy without any mods. And is 1.3 stable enough (saw a lot of bugs being reported) or should I just stick to 1.2 and overclock plus swappolube. I don't think 1.3 introduced any new features and so if all it achieves (increased responsiveness) is surpassed in 1.2 with overclocking and swappolube then I think I would rather just stick to that. Unless it is even more responsive on 1.3 when you add those.

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epic device, epic threads. Cant wait for the n9 pre-order thread. Just love long and useless threads as well as great phones. Pre-order n9 thread is a 2011 event according to Elop. Cant wait...hope the thread is as "open" as before :)

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No doubt N900 is a super capable computer, but it's mostly for geeks. I am pretty sure you wouldn't call it user-friendly, would you? That's why it was not a big success among ordinary consumers. Today I use N900 mainly for TV streaming, thanks to its faster CPU. For other programs such as RSS, FBReader, Web browsing, music streaming, etc. I prefer to use my N810. It's a major disappointment to not be able to do a straightforward copy-paste in N900 (easily done in N810). How is this a pleasant experience? And why does a Web page have to jerk around when you touch it?

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I love my N900, i sometimes realise ive just been like staring at it, thinking wow this really is amazing... much like i did when i got my 3650......"woa its got a camera, u can downloads apps and its got a round keypad! OMG etc"

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How are Ctrl + C and Ctrl + V complicated???

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I'm seeing the future of meego as this...
Android = java wrapping linux
Meego = QT wrapping linux

Yeah competition... Knowing nokia? I won't be shocked if we see a super stripped down linux on meego just like the droid.
Why? To avoid these "Oh no!! I deleted my /var/ folder got to go to nokia center" from common end-users

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And Nokia could no longer claim compatibility with MeeGo. MeeGo is defined as a standard Linux distribution based off the LSB, so all the stuff we expect to get in a Linux distro are required to be there.

Anyone messing around at that level will not receive support.

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outside telephone functions : absolutely yes! About 3 trillion years advance from os2008
e:good example:
take a picture, tag and share it to flickr. How could it be any easier?

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Well meego is meego... It's a QT based platform for mobile. No GTK, hildon etc.
You can't install debian/redhat arm softwares from their respective repos.

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but it offers great compatibility with any meego device.

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Yes, point being? MeeGo will have community repos much like Maemo does, however. You'll probably need to hack or buy an unlocked unit to use them however.

No, you can't. Even if you could, you'd be on your own as there's no guarantee they'd work.

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Just wanted to be part of the love!

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MeeGo is a full Linux stack

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damn right it's epic...

i have moreorless replaced my laptop with my n900. there is not much my laptop will do that the 900 can't. about the onle thing i use it for is torrents as i don't wantt to trash an sd card to death, or gobble all my data allowance when I drop onto 3G.

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well my point is... flexibility...for me the more the better :D
Like they say 2 heads are better than 1.

Well on a developers point of view this would be fine with me. :)

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for the enthusiast its the holy grail

for anybody else who wants an appliance that just works, its very low on the totem pole. There is a reason why you do not see N900s on ppl walking in the streets.

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The fact that it's $600 and not available subsidized from carriers couldn't have anything to do with it, no? I can't say it would be a huge seller if it was, but the chips are stacked against it, especially in the US.

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Don't think would have made much difference. Can be subsidized here in the UK but barely anyone would pick it over HTC Desire, Samsung Galaxy, iphone, etc. For those of us who want to tweak a lot and spend all day on an internet forum it is great and greatest thing since sliced bread. but for the mainstream not at all. Many far better options.

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n900.. hardware.. epic.. yes
software.. maemo.. nokia's official update ****.. major components still closed.. epic.. no

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>>How are Ctrl + C and Ctrl + V complicated??? <<

I am talking about the actions you need to take before all these, namely highlighting. To retrieve the arrow icon and to mark it red for text selection, that's already two steps extra than in the case of N810. I know how to do it only because an advanced geek (think about that!!!) was asking the same question on this board, otherwise I don't think anybody could have figured it out in a million years. BTW I also know how to do it in RSS, where different steps are required, because I asked the question and someone (probably the developer?) was kind enough to show me how. But I still don't like it. I think it's too much work on my part as a user.

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I fire up vpnc and connect to my companies Cisco VPN and work without issue from the shell on the N900.

My coworkers meanwhile root their OS and hunt for solutions (still) to accomplish the same task.

It's those kinds of things that make the ones "in the know" really understand it.

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Being a geek, I only care what it can do for me, not how many are walking the street. The only reason to care about that at all is if more walk the street then Nokia or someone else is more likely to make another device with similar hackability but more powerful hardware sometime down the road.

You don't need to sell tens of millions to reach that goal. A niche market of a 500K or a million can be pretty profitable especially if development costs are relatively low because of the use of open source.

My understanding is that Nokia sold quite a few more than they expected and consider the N900 a success. So hopefully that means there will be some follow on in the future.

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>>It's those kinds of things that make the ones "in the know" really understand it.<<

That's fine, but not everybody is in the know or wants to be in the know about everything under the sun. Many of us have non-computer-related day jobs, and other interests beside computing. We just want something that works (I don't want closed stuff from Apple though) or requires minimal tweaking. Why can't Nokia offer a simple copy-paste solution? Do you think consumers would embrace this device that only computer geeks can love? (Judging from the fact that they had to dump the remaining N900, I guess not.)

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>>Being a geek, I only care what it can do for me, not how many are walking the street.<<

But I am sure you don't want to give yourself pain all the time, do you? You also want to see your devices being improved all the time, no? Without demand from users, there will be no real progress.

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@ch88xy

Your cluelessness doesn't really deserve a response, but I'm tired of reading your ignorant posts. So, I'll give one answer in the hope that you'll think before you type again in this thread.

Does microb on your n810 have double-tap or swirl zooming? No. Well, microb on the n900 does, thus, someone decided a special mode was needed for copying. And so they introduced the left side swipe.

It took Apple two years to bring copying to the iPhone browser; they chose to use tap-and-hold to invoke a popup menu. If you're not in fullscreen, copying text with microb is faster than it is on an iPhone. Suck it.

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I don't have pain all the time. I actually have very few complaints about the N900. If I did have a lot of complaints I'd get something else. I'm not locked into a contract or anything. But then, I had an N800 before and apparently unlike many I bought the 900 on the basis of improvements over that rather than on my imagining of what it "ought to do".

Yes, improvements are good. Without a certain level of sales there will be no improvement. Input from users can provide guidance as to what should be improved. None of that has anything to do with hype or whining about things never promised or dick-measuring relative to some other device.

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i don't consider myself to be very tech savvy or it knowledgable, but that being said. I absolutely ADORE my n900, ;P I've only ever needed the basic telephony functions the n900 has ( extra functionality would be great, but not really necessary for me ) but the range of actual USEFUL apps suits my every need, and has gotten me interested in things i wouldn't have thought of doing on my phone before. Web/internet conenctivity ( like browsing,im, rss, blah blah blah etc ) functions are awesome. I agree that the phone needs a little self tweaking out of the box, but that just means i have a highly unique experience with my phone, and no other n900 out there looks exactly like it ( ui wise i mean )
Sure some research and reading is required to perform these tweaks/adjustments, but if someone like me can do it, then the only excuse a 'normal' user has for saying that it requires too much work/ is not user friendly i can think of is that they're lazy or they just don't care about extra functionality.

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in Soviet Russia web page gets off on you...or something.

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roffle, haven't seen that line in a while, :P

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@daperl
I do recall trying the swirl thing when I first got my N900, but decided that I didn't like the feature, so promptly forgot about it. I am sure many N810 users would expect a simple tap and hold, just like me. If you want to call that ignorant, so be it.

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I'm almost embarrassed to say this but the swirl zoom has never worked for me and I've never seen a setting to enable it...