Nokia's internettablets are missing something.....
 

http://www.apple.com/iphone/ads/

(it looks too good to be true)

:)

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I thought the whoke iphone hype was beaten to death months ago.. ;)

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No no... we can always beat it more.

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I hope for Apple's sake that their phone designing skills aren't at the same level as their ability to write a web page. I couldn't play those ads in the browser: I kept getting sent to a page where I was invited to download QuickTime, even though I'd updated to the most recent version just a few days ago. In the end, I had to view the page source, find the URL of the mov file and paste it directly into QuickTime. (I can't say it was worth the effort.)

Whatever happened to "it just works"?

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artkavanagh:

That would be a problem with your system, not apple's webpage.

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I had the same thing happen (Firefox under XP).
Latest quicktime, apple site, no video displayed, just the 'get quicktime' link.

I'm not sure what the problem was.
But, I hit a different quality link and it began to work properly (play video). It worked for all three ads, even after I went back to the original quality setting.

I think the plug-in just wasn't initializing properly. The 'get quicktime' link displays while it's loading as well. It's possible that it's trying to phone-home and was just timing out or going particularly slow due the traffic.

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I'm still pissed I won't be able to get one up here.

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No, in general these kind of problems _are_ caused by the webpage: What they do is to insert some javascript snippet to check for the existence of some plugin, instead of simply inserting the correct MIME type into the page served. The latter will then all by itself sort itself out on the client (web browser) side. The former tends to work only on specific platforms.

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I might be mistaken, but I don't think the original post was saying that the IT is lacking things that the iPhone has... I think it was suggesting that Nokia needs to advertise more. Which, I agree with.

Slightly, OT... I saw an N800 on the back of the latest TigerDirect.com catalog.

-T.

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No, the intention of the thread is that ' things' (switching between different apps, different modes (horizontal, vertical) are very (very, very) smooth and fast.

On my 770, switching between apps, starting up new apps, goes very slowly

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The N800 is pretty quick though, even if not instant. Of course it can keep several applications active at the same time, and then the switch _is_ instant.

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Oh, ok... Well, that comes partially from having an integrated OS that apps are specifically written for and within. You'll see that once Apple allows third party apps to be developed, the "quickness" will degrade a little -- probably not much, though, as Apple prodes themselves on high usability.

Processor speed is also a factor. But, not much... Have you used the latest version of UKMP? (https://garage.maemo.org/projects/ukmp/) Some of those smooth/quick/cool-GUI aspects aren't the device itself, but the time that developers want to spend building those "effects" into their apps.

If Nokia created some sort of uniform coding/GUI bible for devs to work off of, this might be achievable. But, I don't really see that happening anytime soon. (Maybe for the N900?) ;)

In any regard, the current closed-architecture model for the iPhone is a little bit annoying. As a Mac user myself, I was hoping that they wouldn't go that way. So far, from what I've seen the N800 surpasses most of the things that the iPhone can do (aside from the cell part, of course).

-T.

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It was mentioned that the iPhone will allow for 3rd party apps, and they will open up the SDK to developers at WWDC next week, and applications will be installable by end of year.

Truthfully I think its the final nail in my N800 coffin. I might have a for sale ad on the 30th of June if the iPhone functions as well as I'd like. Along with a Blackberry Pearl.

I initially got my N800 for pocket browsing and Gizmo since my home had terrible cell reception. I have since moved, and have 5 bars inside my house... so VOIP went out the door for me.

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The iPhone is a phone, the internet tablet is a quite different thing. They don't compare, in my opinion. The more I look at the iPhone the less I see any relevance for comparing it with the N800. Anyway, I got pretty fed up with the previous round of iphone hype, so I think I'll stay out of this one for now.. ;)

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TA-t3, you're right... I don't think they really compare.

I use my N800 to browse, play video (which needs conversion anyway), and some ScummVM. The email sucks terribly, and there is no decent PIM solutions.

I won't make the assumption that the iPhone browsing experience is better or equivalent to the N800 till I have my hands on it. Once I see it with my own eyes, I'll make the decision to stick around with Nokia or not.

I imagine the Opera 9 and Skype upgrades will keep it ahead of the iPhone, but everything else seems to be lacking... We'll see at launch!

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Guess that we should see it in action, 'cause I remember also the advertising on the 770 (nokia site) once OS2006 was out, and it appeared to be smooth ad fast ;)

Regarding the thread, given that most of us couldn't see the ads, it appeared in fact that you were refering to the ads instead of the functions of the iPhone (maybe if I could see the ads I would have understand you). Furthermore, I was inluenced by my opinion, which is that Nokia should push on the advertising if they want to make more businnes with internet tablets (the video on the N800 is a good starting point, but guess no one ever saw it here in italy, except N800 owners...)

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Guess the one on Opera is just a rumor.. I never heard about it (despite it is a hope for much people here, including myself).

And (cut the part in which you talk of it) if the display is really that 320x240 the rumor told, guess the browser experience won't be so satisfactory

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Its actually 320x480, which isnt too bad since they are using scaling to fit it on the screen.

I'm so fond of my Blackberry that I will have a hard time letting go though... I may just end up replacing my Pearl with a Curve and enjoy my N800 as is.

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I'd probably buy the iPhone based on apple UI, polish and the ability to merge my phone with my n800 browsing/mail/chat/pda/light application work.

Except that it's locked to AT&T.
AT&T can DIAF.

By the time the iPhone is available under a decent US carrier I'll probably be looking at the hypothetical n900 anyway.

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If there was 3G on the iPhone, I could possibly find space for it in my gadget bag. As is I already have every single functionality that it can provide and much , much more between my N800 and my N75.
On topic, those adds are great and do so much better than the Nokia ones for a simple reason, they make it clear what you can do with the device...simply. The N800 and N93/N95 ads are great and all but really don't show you practical application of the abilities.

But as cool as the ads are I will probably wait till 2008 sometime to do a N900 and 2G iPhone upgrade from my current setup.

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I imagine iPhone will introduce a lot of slick UI concepts to sex up what is still basically a swiss army phone. Not that that's a bad thing, but in MANY apps there's no substitute for pixel count. And the N800 wins by a factor of 2.5 on that front. Let's learn from what Apple does well, but don't despair, they're not even close to the only game in town.

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I've had the N800 for only 4 days, but I can't wait to return it and get the iPhone. Yes, I am going to hold on to it until June 29th, then take it back to Nokia because the connectivity SUCKS...for me anyway. And there's NO solid support. Nokia bounces me to AT&T who bounces me to HTC...arrgh.

When it connects, it's so fun, but seriously when it does not...it's useless. An Internet tablet that does not connect to the Internet is a...$400 tablet. No thanks.

My N800 connects to my personal wi-fi connection at home. But at home I have a laptop. At work where I REALLY want to use it via my cell connection, it doesn't connect (Cingular AT&T 8525). Thus I have to sit in a hot spot. I can't use it on the go as advertised.

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Why are you being bounced to AT&T or HTC for a problem with your N800? That's bizarre... are you sure you're getting through to the right people at Nokia or maybe it's one of their third-party support outfits who think you have a phone rather than a tablet.

As for support... to be honest, this is it (this forum, or there is also the "users" mailing list but that isn't as accessible as a forum). The usual solution to problems that can't be solved within a short while is to take the N800 back and get a replacement, and if it's still a problem them maybe it's not for you.

As for your Cingular problem - try reading this thread and see if it fixes your cellular connectivity problem. There is a misconfiguration in the current firmware which is very easy to fix.

:)

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Well, guess it all depends also on the browser you're using. I was used to surf with Netfront 3.1 on my Sony Th55 which is 320x480 like the iPhone, and (tought to be) happy with that.

Now I know how it su##s ;) to browse the Internet on such a low resolution, you always have to refit the pages or (if you're lucky to have something like Netfront that can show up pages in their full size)to scroll them right - left.

I wouldn't go back for any reason (tough the other uses of the Sony which I still have are great, like PIM and other PalmOS programs)

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Thanks. I'll give the link you provided a try. I'm not keeping it after the 30 day trial anyway.

Re. being bounced around, that's related to settings. nokia couldn't resolve the connectivity issue with my phone, so they sent me to the carrier. AT&T tried to help me configure the settings. When that didn't work, they sent me to HTC, the phone's manufacturer.

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You forget that proper scaling can hide the resolution deficit. I'm willing to bet browsing will be easier on the iphone. Nokia needs tap zooms and rubber scrolling badly.

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Exactly. I usually scroll up and down a page using the hardware keys and the slight delay and minor jumps are annoying.

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The iPhone does very much shine the light on the N800, and boy is it a deer caught in the headlights. Looking at the amateurish, butt-ugly Hildon with its super-inconsistent UI, arrows, font use etc, not to mention the slowness and apparently hard-coded everything (why is it impossible to do such a basic thing as rotate the screen... forget about rotating it automatically, you can't even do it with a button press?) and then the slowness... (less so on the N800, but it's still crud.)

Assuming those demo videos and Steve Jobs demos etc aren't rigged, and everything actually flows and looks that nice, and is as super-consistent and well thought out navigation-wise... well then hopefully other manufacturers will wake up and smell the coffee.

Nokia is guilty of making slow and nasty UI's for a long time now. The Symbian "normal" phones are unacceptably slow, it sometimes takes second just to draw a few frickin icons etc, and you go to do something and hit a button, then wait and when nothing happens you push again - and then suddenly both keypresses register.

Since when is that ok? I mean this is 2007 for heavens sake, you'd think it was possible to design slick, fast and seamlessly good looking interfaces, so kudos to Apple for finally getting us moving in that direction.

The N800 is only good for one reason... no, well, two - the screen resolution and Opera. The rest, with Hildon and all that other crud, sucks but Opera carries the entire device. Even that is getting shaky because Nokia won't get that upgraded to version 9, and version 8 of Opera while great just isn't compatible enough with the latest ajaxified web pages.

Polish. That's essentially the thing with (what I've seen so far of) the iPhone. They didn't just slap something together like Nokia did and get it done in a half-assed way, they spent years creating something that is a thing of beauty - and I'm talking more about the software/ui than the hardware, which is also better looking than Nokias...

I'm really looking forward to getting my hands on an iPhone.

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I have to agree about the lack of polish - there have now been 7 releases of Internet Tablet OS firmware and if the polish doesn't start appearing real soon now the Nokia Internet Tablets will be eclipsed by similar products where attention has been paid to the detail.

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This belongs in competitors/off topic section of forum.

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Slow switching between apps and loading of apps is just a detail, though.