Selling N800 for N95..is it worth it?
 

Hey guys!

I'm getting seriously tired of the N800 now, screen problems, headset broke, was a ripp off and so many other things that are wrong with it.

I was thinking.. would it be worth selling the N800 and buying the Nokia N95?

Some people have said the N95 has had it's problems but I think the N800 has even more problems, I'm hoping N95 can view flash the same way a PC can, and also it has tons of internal memory already, PLUS the camera is 5mp instead of a crappy CMOS webcam lol.

Re: Selling N800 for N95..is it worth it?
 

With Opera Mobile 9 coming to Symbian and Windows Mobile, I think the need for the N800 will lessen. We're slowly moving towards convergence, and I think superphones like the N95 or iPhone can provide comparable browsing experiences.

Obviously flash and screen resolution will hamper this, but scaling is improving so rapidly that I expect the phones to catch the Internet Tablet in the next year or two.

It is my hope that the N800 can stay ahead by providing better implementations of Opera 9, Skype and email.

You would think with an 800x480 touch screen we could have a nice email application that fits on the screen properly but they treat the device as if its a scaled down desktop OS. I hate to bring up the iPhone... but Apple wasn't kidding when they claimed their software was 5 years ahead of other mobiles.

Nokia needs to focus on usability, large icons and flowing interface elements to name some.

If I click an email subject, it should slide over to the email for viewing. Click close and it slides back to the subject lists. Why the hell is it opening a new window, which takes 4-5 seconds just to load. Most of the software on the N800 is fairly bogus.

I won't discount the potential, nor the superior browsing experience. But its mostly due to linux and Opera... everything else is pretty weak.

They need to toss the entire email client, rebuild the contacts application, implement a calendar, and give us proper media playback, accelerated by the DSP.

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I'm not sure how you can compare the 240x320 pixel screen on the N95 with the 800x400 screen on the N800 - browsing on the former will be significantly more unpleasant than browsing on the latter, IMHO.

I also don't think the N800 and N95 are direct substitutes, particularly if you bought the N800 with the intention of browsing the internet. The two devices are good companions but not substitues unless internet browsing is not your main criteria.

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If that is true about the Iphone being available unlocked and unbranded..well that changes things considerably. I gave away my N800 to a family member when it outgrew whatever it was that I got it for in the beginning. Meanwhile the N95 I got is a super device...some bugs such as poor bluetooth handling..but overall very good. I thought it would be a brick, but quite the contrary it is very compact and light. The fact that it's not compatible with Cingular's 3G is a negative and makes the Iphone more attractive but ONLY if available unlocked and unbranded.

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Who knows why people buy things and what expectations they have from them. I for one got tired of lugging my laptop everywhere just to be able to check my email and browse some web while getting leg burns from the bottom of the laptop. Getting N800 I knew it was not a cell phone and wasn't expecting it to be.

N800 fits the need perfectly. Since I'm on gmail I don't need any native client. Opera is not perfect but does the job. I'd prefer Firefox (no not Minimo), but...

And then I figured I could use it to listen to music stored on my server. Canola is a beautiful piece of software that doesn't fit into "crippled down desktop app" category. Why are people complaining about lack of good media player on N800? UKMP also looks very promising.

And then I figured I can watch movies while I'm on the road on the awesome 4.2 inch wide screen.

And then I figured I can add GPS to it and be able to use it in the car while listening to music through car stereo system via $9 cassette adapter. If I can only figure out how to watch a movie while navigating with GPS and ... Just kidding.

If Nokia added support for A2DP and Skype, I'd sell my cell phone (well maybe not right away).

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I use 320x240 browsing on my n75 and it's downgrade total to the n800, flash does not work. Don't fool yourself the n95 and the iPhone are first generation devices, in 6 months a much improved experience will be announced. Just like the 770 to the 800 the changes will be quite significant. They have already announced an n81 and n82 that look awesome.

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I sold my N800 and purchased the N95. The comparisons are night and day. In my opinion, the two devices have two very different functions. The N800 is pure Internet, while the N95 is a jack of all trades. The N800, with external and peripheral devices can become a match for the N95 in terms of GPS, calling (Skype), music playing, the N95 has it all in one device. If you are looking for a one device fits all, then the N95 is it. If you are looking for a platform to build on and are patient then the N800 might be the way to go.

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Its been 6 months... I just want to use it.

I still can't type a paragraph in Opera because it doubles and breaks text severely (with the thumb board). I'm mostly happy with it, but I'm glad there is alternatives coming out like the Foleo, and that $200-400 Asus.

I hope the next firmware revision meets my expectations. I'll give it until then.

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Seconding nedim's comment.

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Hey guys, sorry I couldn't get back to you early, was busy with work :S

All your views seem very helpfully.

I am not selling the N800 and going for the N95 as a means of the N95 is "better". They both do very diffent things.

When I first got the N800 I was hoping that I could go around the whole of London, staying connected via the wifi spots and surf the web.
I don't mind the annoying boring aspect of installing apps etc but it's the lack on Nokia's side which I'm unhappy about with the N800.

To me, the N800 is used as an addon to your household, so you have the mobile phone, HTPC, wireless touchscreen remote and the N800 is something that would be by the sofa for quick logging on to the net.

I was hoping the webcam would have been MUCH more better in quality as it is very unsual as to why they didn't include even a 1.2 MP webcam

My final conclusion is that the Nokia N800 has a mass of potential but I don't think Nokia executed it right in the first place, they gave too much freedom to the Open Source community without establishing a solid foundation to build upon, it just feels like a project gone wrong!


The reasons why I want the N95 inplace of the N800 is firstly I have no mobile at the moment :( so I need that, 2ndly I was either thinking of buying a good quality digital camera or a mobile with a decent camera, as I can hack the cam drivers and tweak them hopefully and decrease JPEG compression and overexposure ;)

If Nokia updated the Flash player, opera version, added better apps rather than old school PDA apps. Stuff like Canola should have been done by Nokia!

It's just too confusing for me to even think about lol., I'm so annoyed as to why they released something like this, and look at the price tag!!!!!! why is it so expensive?? what are we getting.. open source OS, barebone hardly anything provided, low grade camera, nasty interface and theres more and more lol WHY! :S :(

I think im just going to stay with the N95, and wait a few months, wait til something solid comes on the market.

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i do not agree. I don't know of any better mobile browsing device than the n800. So I think the price is ok for such a revolutionary device.
Opera on n800 is better than the nokia webbrowser for the n95, and also way better than any brower for windows mobile or palm, or gaming systen (psp for example)
Only the umpc devices have better webbrowsers, but they are more expensive and larger or a lot heavier.

I also think that the user interface of the s60 phones, like the n95, has a lot of problems, and in general I don't think it is superior to much of the Internettablet UI.

The only mobile device that i think may compare to the web experience on the n800 is the apple iphone (but with very different strong points). But we will have to see if it lives up to expectation. (The screen is rather small, and i seriously have my doubts about the touchscreen keyboard.)

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I tend to agree as well. You are now where I was about 6 weeks or so ago. The N800 has great potential but it is not a current consumer device. It is not as polished as it could be, the application installation process is not consumer friendly and Nokia should defiantly be more proactive in application development. Your statement about being a project gone wrong is a tad bit off in my opinion. I tend to think of it as a project unfinished or not well thought out. In its current state the N800 will never appeal to the mass market and will continue to be a device with more appeal to the developer/Linux sects. Nokia needs to decide where they are headed with this device.

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Canola is developed by Nokia. The biggest gripe I have with the N800 comes with a lack of cohesion within the ranks at Nokia and with developers on the outside. I agree with the idea that it seems very "project-like", and as such there seems to be a lack of direction as to where the platform will ultimately end up.

I keep on telling myself I am going to wait until next year to upgrade knowing myself I am probably going to wait till June 29th to try out an iPhone and when it inevitably doesn't meet my expectations I will buy an N95 myself. Of course I will keep the N800 its simply too useful to ditch right now.

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check the shutter lag specs on the n95. if you've not used a digital camera before, borrow especially a cheap/old one and see what it is like to wait 1sec or so between pressing the button and actually capturing the image. for the price, this took it out of the "converged digital cam plus phone to always have with me". otoh, (1) I do a lot of photography and so am probably more demanding than average, and (2) there are some references around the web to a firmware upgrade which improves the shutter lag.

rob.

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Good point Rob. I agree about the camera. It is quite slow. Sort of feels like it is building up a head of steam. However, when I want to take pics I use my Nikon. The camera on the N95 is not for serious photography. It is a nice "throw in" and when it works, the pics are quite okay, but I would not rely on this in the least. The new upgrade is supposed to make things better.