MeeGo New UI Cannot Save Nokia on High-End Smartphone Market
 

Just saw Marko's video talking about MeeGo on Leweb.

It seems that Nokia will use a new inform system.

But I do not think it can save Nokia on high-end smartphone market.

It is the developers and apps that really matters.

Just beautiful UI is not enough, like another Palm.

Apple has got the most support from developers and have many great apps.

Android has the most powerful hardware.

Microsoft Windows Phone 7 also spent a lot of many to invite developers.

What is Nokia doing now ?

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Yes we are in the NEED of just another thread of this, it is going to be fun!
Popcorn anyone?

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new inform system

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A lot of doom, gloom for something that's not even out in consumer's hands.

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What, no "Nokia needs to adopt Android"?

*sighs* Trolls this days...

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Nah, no trolling, just same old same old. Maybe if Nokia had half an ear open they might listen. MeeGo, what a crock of shite. Another OS that's gonna be adopted by devs and then dropped by Nokia in favour of the next iteration.

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Wait, so you are saying Nokia should just become another Htcdroidotorolamsung? Pride people, pride! Nokia ain't going down without a fight. Come hell or high water, they're banking on MeeGo and I say all power to them. When you have a losing hand, the best bet is "all in" :) . Always.

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The problem with that logic is that even if Nokia does drop it, it won't matter. There's still the Linux Foundation, Intel, and every other large scale adopter. Even if Nokia never put out another MeeGo product again, everyone else still probably will.

Not to mention that Nokia and Intel threw quite a lot of money on getting people interested in MeeGo. There's threads on that MeeGo conference (or was it Nokia World? IDK), describing just that. So that takes out the Windows 7 point of the initial post.

The Android point just... doesn't make sense? Best hardware? The N900 is a year old or so and it still overperforms so many phones out there. And the N8 certainly shows supperiority to quite a few things. In fact, when was the last time Nokia's latest flagship phone didn't come with better or at least matching hardware vs. the competition? Yeah, Android has better hardware platforms NOW... because MeeGo isn't on any mass-produced devices yet (unless you count the N900s running development builds). They'll no doubt equal out when the mass market MeeGo handhelds hit.

As for the iPhone point - if MeeGo retains the right aspectas of its roots, MeeGo will not only have Qt applications, but it will also hopefully keep being able to run uncompiled Python, Perl, and Ruby, as well as a bunch of other coding languages. The iPhone developers are numerous now, but it's also going to become far more advantageous to develop for MeeGo when it takes off, because your Qt apps can go anywhere MeeGo will be, which will be a lot more places than just phones.

If anything, MeeGo has simple mass adaptation of predecessors (by users more so than developers) and Apple's marketing to fear - not actual objective disadvantages. That's not to say there won't be any, but there's no indicators of specific ones yet.

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Why not ?

Nokia should do the exactly what Motorola is doing now !

Go Android !

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Dude, you like to troll much? Most of your threads if not all have the same exact point against Nokia.. and how Nokia is going to fail.. If you don't like Nokia.. then just leave please.

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Yes, as I know, acer is also developing MeeGo phones, maybe using Intel x86 CPU and MeeGo reference UI, and ST-Ericssion is working on the U8500 platform, but the problem is, no matter who will take part in this project, MeeGo for handset has few chance to win.



Really ? How many efferts ?

When WP7 release, there are more than 2000 popular apps already, Microsoft pay the developers of most popular apps to develop for WP7. And WP7 has got Office, Xbox Games, Zune, Bing search, Voice Search (Microsoft owned them) etc.
What does Nokia have ?
Don't tell me ovi store. It sucks.



Yes, definitely, best hardware.
Tegra 2 / Dual Core Cortex-A9 CPU will be used on Android phone first, not MeeGo phone, not iPhone.
Because Android is open to many vendors.

Maybe N9 (Dali) will be very powerful when released.
But Nokia only has effort to maintain 1 or 2 MeeGo phones.
But Android phone model is much more.
There will be more and more Android phones that more powerful than N9 as time goes by.


Not as easy as you said.
So many apps at least takes 2 years to accumulate.
Besides, MeeGo is a new platform, why developers should develop an app for a phone that have no big sales quantity ?




Nokia's MeeGo (Maemo 6) use deb package manage system.
Intel's MeeGo use rpm package manage system.
There is even such a difference within this alliance.
This is very strange and not good for MeeGo's development.
Intel just want to sell x86 CPUs on Mobile phone,
Nokia is still using ARM platform.
It is a strange cooperation.
And I cannot see the hope to success.

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Just discussing the problem,

I think NOKIA should keep developing the Maemo 6

but not change the package manage system to please Intel

Intel did not change the package manage system on their tablet.

it is a waste of time and time is the key in the smartphone market.

When N9 released, all is too late !

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It sounds like you're trying to prove something.. but what are you trying to prove and to whom?

Many people have inputed their answers to you in your other extremely similar thread, and yet you still open a new thread saying the same exact thing "Nokia will fail.. It's too late for them.. etc."

Do you see my point?

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China will fail. Yes..I have this feeling. Hard to explain but I had to say that because..?

.edit
"but the problem is, no matter who will take part in this project, MeeGo for handset has few chance to win."
Do they teach any critical thinking in the schools of China or do you all get healthy dose of propaganda? That sentence alone is just scary and sad.

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It is very clear that iPhone is the winner on high-end smartphone market.
Many top-ranked apps/games. The best user experience.

Android / WP7 is also good.

Symbian is a bit old. The user experience is a generation behind iOS/Android.

Maemo 5 is a good try. Though resistor screen did not bring multi-touch experience.

My point is that Nokia could have a chance to win if they keep working on Maemo system and make it more user-friendly.

Then we can see N9 available on 2010Q3, maybe.

Actually and obviously, Nokia had not put their major efferts on MeeGo / Maemo, it is a pity.

Now Nokia had missed that opportunity ,

And they should start to use Android now.

When Android phone (with more than 600MHz CPU, 3.5 inch screen) is cheaper than 200$, Symbian^3 or Symbian^4 has no advantage then.

Nokia is just struggling, but it will die slowly.

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You must be on crack.

Btw, there is no Symbian ^ # anymore.. It's just Symbian.. Oh and the fact that Ovi Store is a lot more successful than any store (talking about the speed how the Ovi Store is growing)..

And it's never too late for anything..

Android does suck because of how it works.. VM environment..

There.. I answered you.

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Yes I agree. It´s now clear to me also. It´s just that simple

Yes they are. I think that Android will win everything after all. It is the best of the best because mindshare and apps and welll you know Google! Google FTW!

True. It´s just terrible and will die. I hope it dies really soon. So awful and terrible.

It´s a shame but I´m still waiting for next FW upgrade so they might add multi-touch feature to it. *Fingers crossed*

True. They should not have merged project with other companies. Making OS core that is shared between different devices and more importantly different companies is not good strategy. Stupid stupid stupid. Make notes here!"!!

And maybe sun will shine. Btw. My armpits are bit sweaty

Shame on them!

True. Let´s just light some candles already and weep couple of tears.

-Nostradamus

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Hey, buddy, we are talking about mobile phone market,
so, please just do not involve any other thing in.


China, HDI 0,667, ranked 89th, GDP per capita is USD4200
Finland, HDI 0.871, ranked 16th, GDP per capita is USD 35000
You cannot open twitter/facebook/youtube, even imdb in China.
China has many problems now, but it is not easy to determine a country's success or failure.


And, Just because you came from Finland, and Nokia takes 4% GDP of Finland, You cannot accept somebody saying something bad about Nokia ?

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Shut up and keep on doing those ZTE Blades as fast as possible.

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Again, you don't like Nokia.. then don't even bother posting here, buy another brand, the "better" brands.. like iPhone, Android phone.. clearly they are all better than Nokia right?

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This thread should be moved to "Whiners" sub-forum and merged with the "All the other whiners" thread

This recent bit of news said that "Over 2010, there have been more than 1.5 million downloads of the Qt SDK and more than 400,000 new developers have signed up with Forum Nokia over the last year."

If even 1% of those devs put out a halfdecent app... well, I'm looking forward to it...

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Dude works for google
just trying to drum up business for the boss :)

Sony Ericsson sold out to Google. They've lost their individuality and succumbed to the "clone-ification" of the "smart" phone market.
They lost control over the OS that runs on their phones and they way in which it handles their customers' information and their won capacity to independently update their devices without the OK form Big Brother.

yep go Android. that'll really make you stand out in the crowd

or perhaps you work for Huawei?
they have an interest in Google/android.... amongst other things

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Are you quoting Nokia's data zbout ovi store?

Besides, to use VM is a very wise idea.

Just like Nokia use Qt to let more apps run on MeeGo & Symbian.

By using Dalvik Java VM, it become easier for app development.

Android then get a big bang of apps.

Actually, Nokia is noe doing exactly the same thing,

but the tool is not VM, but Qt.

So, Android using Dalvik is a wise decision to get apps quickly.

And for Apps need more resource/efficiency, developers can use C to develpe the app directly, the efficiency is higher than Java.

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Funny thread. :D

Honestly though why would you want Nokia to go for Android? HTC, SE, Samsung, LG and cheapo brands are already there. Plus it's no free pass to success just look at Moto who started well but i don't see them ever coming back as big as before with Android, same for LG. The high end Android market is controlled by HTC and Samsung pretty much.

Just as a consumer i rather see Nokia to bring it's own new OS as they still got the weight for it and while Android might ok for quick return MeeGo potential for Nokia is much much bigger. Android on my GS is by no means bad but still not what i want. Somehow i think i'm talking to a wall or a bot reading your comments though...

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That pretty much sums it up! The new Qt framework will mean better games - with better graphics!

And stupidly easy to port from/to Sybmian/Maemo.

In addition Meego is not just a UI - it's a whole new OS.

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The problem is :

Nokia is 2 years behind Android.

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It does not matter where I works.

Actually, I worked in food industry, making meat products for eating.

Watching IT news is my hobby and I am using a Nokia N900 now.

Before N900, I used N95 and 5310XM.

So, I am a Nokia fan. But that does not mean I will not point out the mistakes of Nokia.

About the topic, Sony Ericssion use Symbian UIQ and S60 v5 for their smartphone OS, the difference is SE is a share holder of Symbian foundation. And now SE is not a share holder of Android. Google is the boss.

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That would depend on the nature of the adopters. Much of the development of linux is funded by companies with a stake in linux, and not by voluntary hairy hackers living in their parents' basement [1][2]. If Nokia drops Meego and instead promotes their next fad - Megone (TM) - would there be anyone to pickup the pieces? And no, Intel doesn't count since you don't want to carry a 2kg battery with your 100gm "Intel powered" phone.

[1] An overused stereotype but fun
[2] I appreciate and value the contributions of voluntary hackers (hairy or otherwise)

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You should go and buy an Android smartphone from your nearest local manufacturer, and then become happy, balanced Android user. Not sure what you are doing here, given that it is pretty clear that Meego is not Android.

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There has been a definite shift in that direction, in fact, the whole point of the Qt SDK and the recent/ongoing retooling for Qt Quick is to make a solid, appealing base for developers.

Err, it's exactly as you say - Nokia kept developing Maemo 6 and did not change the package management system.

Android was very much in it's infancy 2 years ago. But it undoubtedly is all the rage today. And that's why MeeGo will try to leapfrog it :)

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Anyone care to make something like this for these threads:

http://craphound.com/spamsolutions.txt

?

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are you smoking pot?

How may phones android phones have open office 3? Wireshark?

Or even half the multitasking ability of the N900?

It might look like Nokia are two years behind - but you forget that even before android was even dreamt off Nokia had plenty of sybmian apps and games!

Once Meego comes out and symbian and Meego ported is really easily we will see it really kick off.

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This just in: OP's New Trolling Thread About MeeGo Cannot Save Credibility on TMO

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Well gee. By that logic there is really no point in ever doing anything new. I mean Android was 18 months behind the iphone OS when it was release. Why the hell did Google even bother. They were obviously doomed to fail by your logic.

Why bother creating anything new really, everything has already been done. Anything new will fail.

I promised myself I wouldnt post in this thread, but someone needs to slap some sense into this whiner.

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Gee, then let's drown with Nokia then

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Didn't stop other OS's from coming out, doubtful that Nokia should stop with MeeGo.

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Especially since MeeGo is not a Nokia exclusive effort, nor is MeeGo anything more than a software stack on top of which other vendors can build their own user experience.

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An awful lot of speculation about something that doesn't matter for most people. If you like smartphones and Nokia creates a killer high-end phone: good for you and Nokia. If not, than you simply buy a non-Nokia smartphone. I can't think of any other tech product that has so much alternatives and diversity.
The only people that should really care are the people employed at Nokia and the shareholders. I know there is something like "brand-loyalty", but I think that wanting a product just because it has the Nokia brand on it isn't a very smart thing to do.
Depending on your needs and wants I think Nokia currently has a number of very interesting products in their smartphone portfolio, mostly because they are notably different from Apple/Samsung/HTC etc. etc.

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After the recent exodus of high level Nokia execs and forward-facing names and Nokia employees, I'd have to say that the shareholders do not like the direction(s) that Nokia was going... nor where they're currently located.

Time for a change? Or just time for a completed product? The path isn't as coherent now as it once was... say in 2005 or so.

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In most organizations change usually means more delays. So any change is strategy should bring clear benefits.

A lot of media are very much exaggerating about "the demise of Nokia". They are making money, they are selling more smartphones than ever before and a lot of people seem to like their products quite a bit. Would a future Nokia smartphone be better if they switch to Android or Windows Phone 7 or make some other radical change in their strategy? I don't know. The people at Nokia are best to judge that. They have the expertise and the inside knowledge.