Just my thought about Meego after read interview with Marko Ahtisaari at nokia
 

Warning this may offend some in the community just readed this I dont say I my conclusions are facts. If people read this as statements from nokia your seriuosly needs help.

This is just my thoughts about how the meego UI seems to progress inside nokia.

No one here knows when/how or even if any meego HW will be released.

(Btw my english sucks :D i know ;)

So lets start:

http://www.allaboutmeego.com/news/it...LeWeb_2010.php

to me this really sounds like

1. not at all sure we will see any meego device first half of 2011. "its comes when its ready"

2. The Nokia UI is faaar diferent from meego reference UI and far different from maemo 5

3. maybe could be a reason why E7 release has moved too Q1 2011. Cause they have too atleast have one hi/midenf phone released in Q1...

4 the rumored pictures of n9 is false there will not be a qwerty/hardware keyboard

5 nokia meego core UI will be more closed than maemo3/4/5

however I still hope on it. and that they still make it possible for geeks to tweek with ui and soo on...

so even if I sound like trolling orl whining its just my thoughts :)

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

how you came to any of these conclusions based on that is beyond me. sounds like you are more interested in spreading FUD than the truth.

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

sounds like you got it right at 2. The other stuff is not mentioned in the article...

But 1. might be true and hopefully not! I got a feeling that it wont come before the meego 1.2 update, but who knows! I both hope that they switch to real meego and that they still use maemo as it will release sooner.

On 4. I hope they release both with and without keyboard. I like using a real keyboard but as most people hate them... Meego needs to be a success and can by that not make it nerd-specific only. On the other hand this forum is important (I guess) for maemo (and meego) so they can not disclude us either.

But I want to take time and thank Nokia for making us all so confused :)

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

Yes. Maybe another delay.
Nokia is toooooooo... slow...



Far different from MeeGo reference UI - Yes
Far different from Maemo 5 - Maybe, Probaberly


Good guess...




As the info I got several month ago,
There will be 2 devices using MeeGo,
One is Dali, with QWERTY keyboard, the leaked one.
Another is Larkku, without keyboard, look like a soap.
But things changes, so not sure Nokia's plan now.


Closed just mean less bugs ? That is not a problem.
I think Maemo 5 is just OK when released.
The key point is more apps & developers.

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

Really dude..

Another standalone thread for yet another flavor of fantasy speculations and not-quite-factual commentaries...?

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

What this thread needs is a dash of Chuck Norris, a sprinkling of funny tags, and a bucket of popcorn.

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

Mary had a little lamb. Then Chuck Norris ate it.

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

I said to a group of Nokia guys all standing around using N900s at the Meego Conference, "Boy, you guys must be frustrated, back using N900s when you've had all the cool toys to play with at the office!"
"Well," came the instant response, "At least the N900 works."

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

for those saying i spreading "fud or fantasies" did you read the article?

if you did you probadly had seen how he talked about 'not having any physical buttons on a phone'. I dont say that is bad IF the UI has something new revolutionary replacing it. thats one of the reason I did say hw keyboard maybe not will come on meego. Too me hes talk sound very intresting cause that means the UI will hopefully be alot better than meego reference design :-)

also the fact that he said 'it comes when its ready. what I meant with my coment was we cannot even be sure this will happen first half 2011. we can only still hope.

So dont say I am spreading fud, I just come to my own conclusion based on article . maybe wrong maybe correct. To me some of above is logical in a company perspective. Alot has changed internally since n900 was released:

* Maemo abandoned. replaced by meego
* Meego should replace symbian in n series. now we dont know anymore.
* Meego was focus now symbian seems be base os again
* Corba ui in symbian replaced by qtquick
* No symbian 4 just backport to S^3
* libmeegohandset UI replaced by qtquick
* nfc on all smartphones changed to not all smartphone.
* e7 moved to Q1 2011

How many here believed all above would happen in a year?

Too me that was more unlike a year ago than my so called fud...

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

you know something, IMO i think many people here have conflict of insterests, I would not be surprise if many of the people critising this type of thread work on mobile phones and threads like these are certain not good for business, hence why they seem very keen on closing down such threads very quick.

You now what, if you have no interest then do us all az favour and don't bother to comment, i'm sure it will die away if is not true.

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

@mike: I would suggest to put the news item in front of your thoughts and speculations... for example:

Subject: Q&A with Marko Ahtisaari (Sr Vice President of Industrial Design @ Nokia) at LeWeb 2010

Content: Link, image and interesting excepts from that particular article.
Following that, you put a write up on your thoughts and comments about the article.

By framing the news article as the topic, then you're opening up discussion and you're bringing interesting new bits to the community.

Now, this thread is titled 'n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get released'... and the first post...

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

To keep it short - you're reading too much into it. It's not a MeeGo teaser-interview, it's more about the big picture than any particular device. Unless you want to be speculating just for fun, of course :)

Re: Just my thought about Meego after read interview with Marko Ahtisaari at nokia
 

MORE DULL KOMBAT!!!!!!!!! dah dah dah dahdah dah dah dahdah dah dah....

Re: Just my thought about Meego after read interview with Marko Ahtisaari at nokia
 

But the vanilla UI isn't, so it doesn't mean we can't modify the UI, I like the vanilla MeeGo UI anyway.

As for N9 not having a keyboard, what?


Funny stuff.

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

If you read some more lines you will see that he talks about having a screen as big as possible and thats why there should not be any buttons. And the way I see it a HW-keyboard have nothing to do with the screen size :)

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

Also, the hardware keyboard is for text input only. It's not meant to control anything on the UI.... like maybe a D-pad would. Or the sort of soft keys that S60v3 needs. That's the type of "buttons" he talks about.

BTW, I like such buttons on smartphones. Touchscreens basically suck.

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

Fiction never goes out of style... it just changes names sometimes.

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

No keyboard just mean no keyboard on the front face.

I think you should see the 19 minutes version,

When the host asked Marko about N8,

the host said : there is no key on N8 now.

Marko answered : There is still one key (the home key on the left down side)

So he mean there is no key on front face.


I am thinking, if the host on LeWeb take out a N900,

and asked : there is no key on N900 (front face)

Then Marko will have nothing to say. :D

Because N900 also have no keyboard/button on front face.

from this aspect, the coming N9 has no progress upon N900.

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

His comments about having a "big screen" and allowing people to "keep their head up" has got me thinking. If you want to remove physical buttons then logically you have to replace them with one of 2 things (at least i could only come up with 2 things):
1. touch screen buttons, which is not revolutionary, not thinking outside the box, and really just not a good solution.
2. gesture interfaces. Now some mobile phones do have certain gesture based interaction (e.g. pinch to zoom, flick tabs in webos to close, circle to zoom in/out in maemo). Having a mobile interface that relied many on gestures (while possibly having a steep learning curve) could indeed made interacting with the device quick and easy once you learned all the movements. And having a large screen on which to do these gestures would naturally be a benefit.

meh, idk... am i over thinkings this?

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

No. Closed means if nokia can't be arsed to fix the bugs then nobody else can.

Re: n9 i dont think the old leak will ever get relesed
 

What a waste of a keyboard and a complete lack of understanding of usability.