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Nyx 2010-12-26 11:53
Hildon-Home Keeps crashing.
 
I am facing some wired problem here. For some reason, my hilldon-desktop will crash (if not mistaken it is hildon-desktop).

Now when that happens, all my widgets and gadgets all stop responding to the touch. I can still slide around to my other desktops but nothing will respond. More over it wont self terminate so the only way to get it all to work is to restart the phone.

Another wired thing is that, all applications will respond when they are run-ed from inside the main application list.

Now this all started happening recently. Earlier i was running my N900 @ 1Ghz and had no problem. Then this started happening, so i decieded to Soft format my Phone (use Nokia updater to reinstall the OS). I have a strong feeling that it is caused my some application, but i do not know which one.
I have currently over 200 different Apps and 120 of them are used frequently and over 60 of them on all my desktops.

So i will leave it to you guys to just tell me which are the problematic apps.

Pls Help me T___T!

msa 2010-12-26 11:57
Re: Hildon-desktop Keeps crashing.
 
afaik this is a known bug. i get this every now and then as well, but i'm still not sure what exactly triggers this bug, seems quite random to me right now.
the only thing that fixes this for me is rebooting the device.

i dont have my n900 overclocked and i never had.

Matan 2010-12-26 11:59
Re: Hildon-desktop Keeps crashing.
 
It is not hildon-desktop crashing, but hildon-home that runs a desktop widget that does not return to hildon-home, thus preventing hildon-home from doing anything else, such as running other widgets.

The usual culprits, as I understand, are DCEW and queenbeecon, but other desktop widgets might also be the reason for the behaviour you see.

Nyx 2010-12-26 12:06
Re: Hildon-desktop Keeps crashing.
 
I do not have DCEW or QueenBeecon installed. Has Msa said earlyer, it is totally random. It just happens with out warning. Is there any known fix for this other then restarting the phone? I'm not saying that restarting the phone is a big deal, but when running on 1Ghz every reboot eats up around 8-10% of the battery. I'm not joking it is really that much.

Matan 2010-12-26 12:10
Re: Hildon-desktop Keeps crashing.
 
You are wrong. Reboot does not take that much, regardless of the frequency in use. It is physically impossible for the N900 to use so much power during the short time a reboot takes.

The known fix is to find the problematic desktop widget and disable it.

FRuMMaGe 2010-12-26 12:16
Re: Hildon-desktop Keeps crashing.
 
I used to have this problem.

Uninstall the conversations widget and media player widget.

udaychaitanya16 2010-12-26 12:31
Re: Hildon-desktop Keeps crashing.
 
I too have this problem.but i can access my apps from main menu icon . good thing is after i live this situation for some time it starts responding again.occasionally i get the message that hildon-home is not responding.i close it even during a call and nothing happens.i habituated to this behaviour but i have never rebooted.

tele 2010-12-26 12:41
Re: Hildon-desktop Keeps crashing.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyx (Post 904517)
I do not have DCEW or QueenBeecon installed. Has Msa said earlyer, it is totally random. It just happens with out warning. Is there any known fix for this other then restarting the phone? I'm not saying that restarting the phone is a big deal, but when running on 1Ghz every reboot eats up around 8-10% of the battery. I'm not joking it is really that much.
no it doesn't :eek: :eek:. mines runnning at 1.15 and it doesn't. :D
i suggest you getting your battery tested out! ;)

humble 2010-12-26 13:00
Re: Hildon-desktop Keeps crashing.
 
Try this in xterm with root privileges.


Code:
# May lose all widgets but short cuts should still be in order.
killall hildon-home
# But may issue a REBOOT.
killall hildon-desktop

FRuMMaGe 2010-12-26 13:42
Re: Hildon-desktop Keeps crashing.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by humble (Post 904546)
Try this in xterm with root privileges.


Code:
# May lose all widgets but short cuts should still be in order.
killall hildon-home
# But may issue a REBOOT.
killall hildon-desktop
This normally removes all non-default shortcuts and widgets, but luckily it remembers the location and configuration of each so when you re-add them they will return to where they were

cutehunk04 2010-12-26 13:56
Re: Hildon-desktop Keeps crashing.
 
facing same probs...:(

inkirby 2010-12-26 13:58
Re: Hildon-desktop Keeps crashing.
 
Yes, I have this problem too.

Quote:
Originally Posted by humble (Post 904546)
Try this in xterm with root privileges.


Code:
# May lose all widgets but short cuts should still be in order.
killall hildon-home
# But may issue a REBOOT.
killall hildon-desktop
Doing killing hildon-desktop doesn't help.
I just do killing hildon-home, but it's boring to bring all stuffs back...
Anyway to make it faster? Or solve the problem?

humble 2010-12-26 14:27
Re: Hildon-desktop Keeps crashing.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by inkirby (Post 904573)
Yes, I have this problem too.



Doing killing hildon-desktop doesn't help.
I just do killing hildon-home, but it's boring to bring all stuffs back...
Anyway to make it faster? Or solve the problem?
yeah talk to the developers. (its not hildon)

Nyx 2010-12-26 19:13
Re: Hildon-desktop Keeps crashing.
 
First of all. Thank You all for Correcting my mistakes and also Thank You all for sharing your Experience here. =)

Moving on... Now maybe my battery is spoiled or the "Desktop command Execution" widget is showing the wrong information.
I also noticed that when my phone is fully charged it only shows a maximum number of 95%. Now is that widget problematic? I don't know, because even in "Battery Eye" and "Battery Graph" both show the same thing. Maximum 95%.
Anyways that is a different problem, i will look into this my self, but those who are facing the same problem do Share your experience =).

Now sticking to the topic. My hildon-home is dead and it had been over 4 hrs. Still no respond. I have to many applications to check it one by 1. More over this happens randomly, thus making it even more harder for me to find the problematic application.

Nyx 2010-12-27 19:22
Re: Hildon-desktop Keeps crashing.
 
* * bump * *

retsaw 2010-12-27 21:41
Re: Hildon-desktop Keeps crashing.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyx (Post 904517)
I'm not saying that restarting the phone is a big deal, but when running on 1Ghz every reboot eats up around 8-10% of the battery. I'm not joking it is really that much.
No it isn't, the problem is that the battery reading really isn't that accurate. As a test of this, after your phone has been running a while (i.e. not just after you have rebooted it), type in a terminal as root "stop bme" followed by "start bme", this will restart the battery management entity, the program responsible for managing the charging and (apparently) estimating the charge level of the battery. I just did that on my n900 which has been running just over 25 hours since I last rebooted and the battery level dropped from 88% to 70% in less than a minute. Therefore it is not that rebooting your phone uses a lot of battery, but rather when you reboot bme makes a new estimate on the charge level of your battery.

Oh, and when I take my phone off charge it typically reads between 92% and 96%, I have seen it at 98%, but so long as it is in the 90s I'm not concerned, after all overcharging the battery will just cause it to deteriorate more quickly.

Nyx 2010-12-28 06:20
Re: Hildon-desktop Keeps crashing.
 
Quote:
Therefore it is not that rebooting your phone uses a lot of battery, but rather when you reboot bme makes a new estimate on the charge level of your battery.

Oh, and when I take my phone off charge it typically reads between 92% and 96%, I have seen it at 98%, but so long as it is in the 90s I'm not concerned, after all overcharging the battery will just cause it to deteriorate more quickly.
Thanks For the update =). I did not know that. I usually charge my phone only once it dies, and i only turn it back on when it is fully charged. Anyway now that the battery problem is solved.

Now! Any one got trough with the problem in the tittle? Hildon-home crashing? I am slowly trying 1 app at a time to figure out which one is causing the problem. Aren't there any developer people out there reading this topic?

Nyx 2011-01-09 08:57
Re: Hildon-Home Keeps crashing.
 
I think i have found what is cauing Hildon-home to crash. There is I think only 1 application, and it is the "DESKTOP COMMAND EXECUTION" Widget. I did some testing and only found that, the widget was actually causing hilldon-home to crash.

shrijith1 2011-02-11 16:19
Re: Hildon-Home Keeps crashing.
 
Yes, its an issue with DCEW....Is this not yet fixed? I am using 1.10 version on PR1.3, but still facing the issue....

Nyx 2011-02-11 20:56
Re: Hildon-Home Keeps crashing.
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by shrijith1 (Post 942677)
Yes, its an issue with DCEW....Is this not yet fixed? I am using 1.10 version on PR1.3, but still facing the issue....
I am afraid not. I dont think they are bothered on fixing this bug.

JamesBond@ge 2011-02-11 21:12
Re: Hildon-Home Keeps crashing.
 
The "recaller" application does this to me.

Nyx 2011-02-13 17:55
Re: Hildon-Home Keeps crashing.
 
Currently, the oonly way to stop hilldon-home from crashing, is to not use the app/wigdet.

ymartin59 2011-11-30 08:39
Re: Hildon-Home Keeps crashing.
 
I faced the same trouble and it mostly happens after an alarm is triggered.

Then the calendar widget no longer refresh.

I use only few widgets - not using DCEW, nor recaller. Here are what I have on my desktops: calendar, maxcpu, ConnectNow, Data Plan monitor. Everything else are shortcuts, contacts and bookmarks.

As a work-around to get back your desktop, you can remove a widget then you get "hildon-home" does not respond. Close it. Then you have to insert back your widgets.

ymartin59 2012-02-28 21:10
Re: Hildon-Home Keeps crashing.
 
I removed maxcpu from by desktops and the issue never appeared again. 55 days uptime !

peterleinchen 2012-03-01 21:18
Re: Hildon-Home Keeps crashing.
 
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Nyx (Post 915583)
I think i have found what is cauing Hildon-home to crash. There is I think only 1 application, and it is the "DESKTOP COMMAND EXECUTION" Widget. I did some testing and only found that, the widget was actually causing hilldon-home to crash.
This could be true. As soon as I removed DCEW and installed it again immediately, almost everything was fine.
I only experienced this seldom. But after deinstalling/installing, this did not happen anymore.
Just make sure, that you remove the file /home/user/.desktop_cmd_exec, as it seems, that this config file is somehow screwed up.

Quote:
Originally Posted by ymartin59 (Post 1130915)
I faced the same trouble and it mostly happens after an alarm is triggered.
Yep, this seems one of the reason(s).
At the moment I do experience this only when alarms are triggered. Then I can not snooze/switch off, and hildon-home freezes.
I just switched to alternate worldclock from CepiPerez / ade
(http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...ght=worldclock) and am still testing, but it looks good.


BTW:
I already posted some scripts some time before in some other thread, but here I go again:
Unzip the att at any place you like (I propose /home/user).
You will find 4 scripts, which you may make executable or just call them with
sh home
sh desktop
sh plugins
sh pluginssave

The first thing you should do is set up all your widgets and make a safe backup of the widget configuration with
sh pluginssave

Calling
sh plugins
will now restore all your applied widgets.

Calling
sh home
will kill hildon-home and reenable your widgets.

As a gift:
Calling
sh desktop
will restart hildon-desktop, necessary sometimes, as it eats CPU/battery from time to time (solved).


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