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TiagoTiago 2011-01-10 07:44

"Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
Is there an wall charger for the N900 (or othnerwise compatible) that doesn't got the power brick part?

Before anyone nags, i know the brick does perform a needed function; what i was thing was having all the elements usually inside the powerbrick be inside a gradually tapering rubber that follows the cable, it would start about as thick as the plug and taper off as it goes, as much as possible of the components would be made of the more flexible equivalents, things that can't bend much would be placed in the thicker parts that wouldn't be as flexible as the thinner parts.

fpp 2011-01-10 09:15

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
I don't know if that specific solution exists, but over at DealExtreme they have some really tiny (and inexpensive, as always) USB chargers like this one :
http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.29417

I bought a couple in my last batch, they charge the N900 just fine, and together with a retractable USB cable they make for a very portable solution.

slender 2011-01-10 09:34

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
I´m not sure what are you talking about but good old (some of them) N95 had this kind of power adapter:
http://www.polkumyynti.com/product_details.php?p=3996
and with that you can of course use:
http://www.polkumyynti.com/product_details.php?p=3850

TiagoTiago 2011-01-10 23:14

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
that one has the brick, slender...

James_Littler 2011-01-10 23:30

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
How about an iPhone USB wall charger with the n900 USB cable.
As for reducing the transformer, are you aware of the internals of said 'wall brick', or indeed what is actually happening?
You are transforming 240vAC to 5vDC. There has to be room for the coils!

j.s 2011-01-10 23:39

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by James_Littler (Post 917364)
How about an iPhone USB wall charger with the n900 USB cable.
As for reducing the transformer, are you aware of the internals of said 'wall brick', or indeed what is actually happening?
You are transforming 240vAC to 5vDC. There has to be room for the coils!

Switching power supplies don't use transformers. There may be some small inductors, but they are not part of a transformer.

festivalnut 2011-01-11 00:06

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
i may sound stupid here but i've re-read this a few times, and are you just asking if a charger exists that goes straight from the wall to the n900? without plugging in to the powerbrick then the phone? because i got one of them in the box with my phone. i must have misunderstood.

TiagoTiago 2011-01-11 00:06

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
What i mean is somthing redistributing the needed components, using flexible versions where possible, so isntead of having a brick with a cable comming out it looks like it's just a cable comming from the plug, the thickness would taper from the wall plug towards the charger plug making the transition from the brick/cable hybrid to pure cable seamless.

festivalnut 2011-01-11 00:11

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TiagoTiago (Post 917384)
What i mean is somthing redistributing the needed components, using flexible versions where possible, so isntead of having a brick with a cable comming out it looks like it's just a cable comming from the plug, the thickness would taper from the wall plug towards the charger plug making the transition from the brick/cable hybrid to pure cable seamless.

or have the transformer built into the plug like mine? i've just realised it may be because i'm in the uk with a 3plug setup for mains electricity. if this is the case why not buy a £1 (wherever you are) -> uk 3pin wall adaptor, and a uk charger?

retsaw 2011-01-11 01:16

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
He doesn't want it built into the plug, he wants it built into the cable. It seems like a bad idea from a design point of view (more expensive and less reliable), but if there is such a thing I'd be interested to see it.

sjgadsby 2011-01-11 01:23

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TiagoTiago (Post 916597)
Is there an wall charger for the N900 (or othnerwise compatible) that doesn't got the power brick part?

There will be soon.

j.s 2011-01-11 06:14

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by sjgadsby (Post 917438)

Too many http:// in the URL

http://www.engadget.com/2010/05/22/f...now-going-for/

ossipena 2011-01-11 06:53

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by TiagoTiago (Post 917354)
that one has the brick, slender...

if you want any smaller solution, how are you going to plug the thing into wall socket and remove it afterwards? slenders solution is about as small you can get with good old wall sockets...

Creamy Goodness 2011-01-11 08:45

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
dude, nothing inside an AC to DC adapter "bends much" and is going to squeeze into a cable... lol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AC_adapter
i'm pretty sure they put the components in a protective shell so people like you don't electrocute yourselves! seriously, you want a cable with capacitors and a transformer bulging out of it? WHY??
never mind, i don't want to know, i'll assume you're high or something.

buy this instead: http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.48827

slender 2011-01-11 09:39

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Creamy Goodness (Post 917609)

btw.
500mA
vs.
1200mA adapter that came with N900

msa 2011-01-11 09:54

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
if the brick isnt in the cable, it has to be in the device. and you do not want that.

i guess one could squeeze it onto the whole length of the cable to not have a big brick, but then the cable would be unusually thick.

Quote:

Originally Posted by slender (Post 917634)
btw.
500mA
vs.
1200mA adapter that came with N900

but it has 4 ports, which is nice.

blue_led 2011-01-11 16:59

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
800 mA

http://www.twenga.de/preise-Pico-USB...eraet-484620-0

TiagoTiago 2011-01-11 17:15

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
There are some flexible electronics out there, and like i said, the stuff that don't bend much would be on the thicker part, the part that doesn't bend much.

I'm looking for somthing like this not for practical reasons, i just think it would be a nifty thing to have.

TiagoTiago 2011-01-11 17:15

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
There are some flexible electronics out there, and like i said, the stuff that don't bend much would be on the thicker part, the part that doesn't bend much.

I'm looking for somthing like this not for practical reasons, i just think it would be a nifty thing to have.

GameboyRMH 2011-01-11 17:28

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
It's not possible yet but maybe in 5-10 years. We already have laptop chargers down to the size of cellphone chargers, and cellphone chargers are getting smaller too.

blue_led 2011-01-11 17:29

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
i don't find anything slim & small than an european 2 pin wall plug
you need something to plug in wall socket. http://www.tidbits.com/resources/200...plug-it-in.jpg
my latest check: n900 don't charge from 220V AC and you can't plug stripped wire directly to wall :p

festivalnut 2011-01-11 17:38

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
i think the problem is nobody actually needs it, an over-engineered and expensive solution to a problem that doesn't exist, with minimum appeal, is not likely to see the light of day.

TiagoTiago 2011-01-11 17:49

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
It is somthing i would expect from those brands that sell designer products (like foldable USB hubs, those bottles with a second hole to hold ice, chairs shaped like giant hands etc)

zimon 2011-01-11 18:19

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by slender (Post 916656)
I´m not sure what are you talking about but good old (some of them) N95 had this kind of power adapter:
http://www.polkumyynti.com/product_details.php?p=3996

That would be rather nice, 800 mA I believe.

If one wants to change that 2mm connector to microUSB-male, what where to buy a component to be soldered to that cable?

I've sometimes asked in couple of electronics shops do they have microUSB-male-connectors which could nicely connected to the small cable, but they haven't had those in stock.

I know there is adapter 2mm to microUSB, but I am not looking for that kind of solution but to replace the male connector at once to microUSB.

ysss 2011-01-11 18:21

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
http://www.pandawill.com/images/l/201011/1288937716.jpg

lohiaprateek 2011-01-11 18:34

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
i use the amazon kindle with the usb cable..charges all my devices which charge off usb..just change cable and u r ready to go..

slender 2011-01-11 20:12

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
Sorry for "offtopic" but here is more:
http://www.amazon.com/HTC-Travel-Cha.../dp/B003WM6SOU
1000mA
Looks like there is no EU-version of that.
More same stuff:
http://www.mytrendyphone.com/shop/mo...sb-37042p.html
http://www.mytrendyphone.com/shop/us...er-22535p.html
http://www.mytrendyphone.com/shop/un...el-21192p.html
Seem to be 850-1000mA chargers

blue_led 2011-01-11 22:55

Re: "Powerbrickless" wall charger?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by zimon (Post 918027)
If one wants to change that 2mm connector to microUSB-male, what where to buy a component to be soldered to that cable?

plug & shield
http://uk.farnell.com/hrs-hirose/zx2...usb/dp/1425723
http://uk.farnell.com/hrs-hirose/zx2...usb/dp/1425724
over, a thermal shrink tube can give a commercial look


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