Why all high end devices have something stupid in them?
 

Today I was comparing my N900 with some other phones such as Sony Ericsson Xperia X10, Iphone 4, Samsung Galaxy S and Nokia N8 and came to the solution that all high end devices have something stupid in them.
Lets start from our own

1. N900
Everything is perfect except for resistive touch. Nokia gave capacitive touch to X6 which was released nearly at the same time as N900. It would have been a complete phone with it.

2. Nokia N8
Everything is perfect in it except Symbian OS. For God's Sake Nokia "Symbian" its old school.

3. Xperia X10.
It has a good hardware and Android(One of leading OS in the market) except that its android is always out of date. When android 2.3 was being made they had their stupid a**es on 1.6. Now they finally got 2.1 and 2.4 is under consideration.

4. Galaxy S
Everything is perfect but it is not durable at all.My brothers Galaxy S slipped down from the height of chest and its screen is broken.

5. Iphone 4
The leading high end device in the market. Everything is perfect except for its famous Antenna problem. What is a purpose of the phone if call drops everytime you pick it up.

I think all these big companies should merge together to make a real high end device with every feature available in the market.

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If a device were ever perfect, they would not be able to sell you the replacement.

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what a muppet post.

rgds

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all of that is matter of opinion, find a phone you like. and everything in life has its pros and cons, its not just a phone thing.

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The irony is not lost on me.

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For the same reason all high-end people do.

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we live in an imperfect world...so is it really such a surprise we don't have perfect devices??

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Personal preference. I would've been much less likely to buy it if it was capacitive. Give me portrait mode system wide, and to me this phone is complete - or at least enough to make me truly fulfilled with this phone.

(If possible, higher Flash versions, and some hardware mods for better RAM, CPU, and multitouch resistive would be lovely, but let's face it, those aren't happening in the reasonably close future.)

Again, personal preference. There's plenty of people who like Symbian just fine. It doesn't match the mass-accepted American smart phone experience, but it goes just fine with most of the world, last I checked. I DO think Symbian isn't that great, but like iOS, it's good at what it's made for, exceptionally so. It just can't reach outside its box; but neither can iOS. It's just the masses like the iOS box more than the Symbian box nowadays. But not to worry. In a few more generations, Apple gadgets won't be cool anymore, they'll be the stuff you saw your parents and grandparents growing up with. And everyone knows that ****'s never attractive to the next generation.[/QUOTE]

Nothing much to say. If it's not coming with those shitty custom-firmware-flashing-ROM-sabotaging things, you can always get the latest Android on it, I'm sure, if you know where to look.

Eh, could be a one-time thing. Though if you've looked around and many Galaxy S's are that fragile, you can always just make sure you have it in a full-body case (leather or something similar) so that it cushions the impact if you do drop it.

Everything? (Resists urge to ramble about utterly closed OS, Alarm bugs that they keep having over and over apparently, disemboweled bluetooth stack, stripped functionality, limited "multitasking", the abysmal auto-correct when typing, etc, etc... [well, I resisted going into detail when rambling].)

Honestly, the antenna thing isn't that big of a deal. It's pretty much a matter of luck as to whether or not you have the wrong hands for the phone. If your hands work with it, you'll be fine. If your hands happen to have just the right composition/oiliness to short the antennas, you're screwed, but you can buy a bumper for like 10 dollars and problem solved.

I think, if you honestly believe the iPhone is the 'ultimate experience', then buy one, if you have the antenna problem, buy a bumper, and it'll be worth it. I don't think it's perfect - but if it's perfect for what YOU want in a phone, then go for it. Not sure how much you'll really feel you're happy with it if you actually do like the N900, which you seem to based on your other posts, but you know yourself best, I hope.

If it's perfect for you, getting a slim bumper/case to avoid the antenna issue would definitely be worth it.

Ah, what it feels like to dream. Reminds me of earlier in this post when I was contemplating hardware-modding the N900 into non-impending-obsolescence. Those were the days. Ah the nostalgia.

Seriously, my recommendation to you, is consider if the iPhone is really perfect for you, and if the only thing stopping you is the antenna, get it anyway, because it's only a small chance you'll be effected by it, and if you are, it's not that expensive to get a bumper to avoid the issue.

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I think a better point in this thread would be the need to jailbreak/root and Motorola's insistence on signing the kernel. That's the only thing that kills the Atrix concept for me.

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Nothing much to say. If it's not coming with those shitty custom-firmware-flashing-ROM-sabotaging things, you can always get the latest Android on it, I'm sure, if you know where to look.


Eh, could be a one-time thing. Though if you've looked around and many Galaxy S's are that fragile, you can always just make sure you have it in a full-body case (leather or something similar) so that it cushions the impact if you do drop it.

In fact I dont like Iphone at all and N900 is thr best phone available :). But I prefer capacitive touch. One reason is that my N900's touch is less sensitive than of fewof my friends. I think it is because it has fallen alot of times.

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I like the resistive touch...capacitive touch is a PITA.

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Ah. Well, yes, the resistive screen is slightly (depends on how picky you are, maybe not slightly) less sensitive. That's part of how it works. It's nothing to do with dropping it (though I suppose that could make it less sensitive). On the other hand, the N900 has one of the most sensitive resistive touch screens around.

To be honest, 99% of the time, I don't feel like I have to actually 'press'. I mean, yes, if you're really paying attention, I can just graze the screen on an iPhone or Android phone; I have to slightly push on the N900. But I personally like that. I don't want it to think I'm touching it the moment I make contact with the screen, because I might want to brush some dust or something off the screen, or just want to point at something in a way that requires touching the screen without having to lock the screen. The advantages of using stylus, nail, gloved hand, pencil, pen, chopstick, whatever on the screen (while still having it be sensitive enough that it doesn't have to be pressed hard enough to damage it) instead of having to just use the fleshy part of my finger, to me, have always been enough to outweigh the lack of multitouch. (Plus, while I notice capacitive screens are more sensitive, I also notice the loss of precision. The iPhone 4, to its credit, is actually really nice when it comes to precision. Better than iPhone 3GS as far as I can tell. But the other stuff still makes it less pleasant for me to use.)

What I'd love to see in the future, since resistive screens can be sensitive enough by now to feel almost as good as capacitive ones (N900 being a good example, but the N900 is pretty old, stuff's even better now) is for smartphone OSs to have a setting option by default that lets you set the sensitivity of your screen. So that you can choose to have it respond to feather-like pressure, or set it to only count a 'press' when more pressure is applied.

Letting this be determined at an OS level would actually allow for even better stuff once resistive screens are sensitive enough - meaning, since touches can be registered at pressure X, but the OS doesn't necessarily have to count them until a higher pressure is reached, you could also have the OS count 'gestures' like swirl/circle at pressure 1.5X or above, but basic clicks at pressure 2X and above, or whatever. Point being, that stuff where you might want greater sensitivity, could use it, but the stuff where extreme sensitivity can get annoying could be tailored to not count the presses until it reaches a higher threshold.

Given what Stanton screens demonstrated months ago regarding precision of sensitivity (both position and pressure), and how they use a processing unit from the touchscreen to feed more coherent data to the rest of the device, you could easily implement something like this if someone had the vision to make it happen.


...wow I went off topic. Oh well.

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And many more who love it. Really do miss Symbian. It was quick and had a certain oomph that no other OS has.

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I prefer the resistive screen; most of the desktop apps. that have been ported over (gftp, openoffice) would be a pain to use without a stylus.

Plus, not having to take my gloves off in the cold to use the phone is great, not sure my iPhone buddies can say that.

I think that maybe the shortest post of yours I've seen :p

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Unless you live in Antarctica, it's not always cold.

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Why all intelligent forums have some stupid threads in them?

....jk....

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For ME, the best phone is always the one with the best (latest & greatest) hardware. I am open to install custom apps/OS's on my device.

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i really like the s80 much better then the s60...as a communicator user.


but i have to say, regarding quick...maemo is much much faster.

s60, after a while of usage, would be like.....select, wait, start, ok now you can use it! etc.

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I am making the best phone. But promise me YOU wont find something stupid in that.

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rofl.. them parents know their kids as well as Nokia knows their fans' community...

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It certainly seems that way, doesn't it? :)

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just proves that you cannot please everybody.. :(

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In some cases, that is a marketing thing.. They sell you something almost perfect, and the only thing that it misses to be perfect will be shipped in another phone from the same company. For example, N900 and flash 10.1, it wil be on MeeGo only. On the Xperia X10 it is a marketing thing too, because they want you to buy the new Xperia Arc that has THE SAME STUPID HARDWARE but the Android version is 2.3. Recently, I saw an article where Sony said that they think that the Xperia X10 is perfect the way it is, so they do not consider that the update to froyo or gingerbread where necessary. But the real truth here is that they want you to buy the Xperia Arc with the same specs.

In other cases, the imperfection of the devices is fault of imperfect companys that think they are perfect, like apple.

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yeah, um, whatever buddy. the n900 would NOT be perfect with a different screen material. we are still missing a compass, usb port that doesn't snap off, dual sims, better battery, better cpu, home button, in fact all the gps chip and whatever else is **** because they never gave us open source drivers... there's really about an infinite amount of changes they could make to improve the phone. but wait, it's TOO FAT, so we have to take out our fm transmitter, keyboard, etc.
there's no such thing as a perfect device, let alone phone.

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It's not only smartphones...but applies to all other gadgets, laptops, and even automobiles. It's got to be a conspirary or just simply poor coordination between marketing research and product development :mad:

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http://damnyouautocorrect.com/category/best-of-dyac/

:)

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I nearly died from lack of oxygen when I visited that site a few days ago.

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It's NOT a marketing thing...rather a lack of marketing thing. I believe it's a need to align marketing research and product development. The question is, who are the marketing research team talking to?

Steve Jobs has a simply business rule; making sure it takes less than 3 steps for simplicity. 3M employees spend equally amount of time just brainstorming innovation. I saw an ad once in US, where a small shoe shop business owner looks up to a bigger chain and asks, "I wonder how they are doing it (business strategy) there". And the manager from the bigger shop imagines the larger shop's strategies, until finally, the conglomerate looks down the street's small shop and ask, "I wonder how they are doing it there".

These guys should be reading our threads! It's FREE, un-biased marketing research for them.
(sorry for introducing a post I made in a blog http://marketingalert.blogspot.com/2010/10/reviews.html)

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Nearly forgot to mention it...
The N900 is so perfect, it should be the last phone you'll ever buy.

Just saying.

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QFT. The thing I always hated about the Android LG I have is that I lave to pause what I'm doing just to get a speck of dust out that's driving me nuts. It's impossible to clean it. N900 can be wiped clean with no damaging input, especially if you swipe from outside the screen.

Also, same screen size (just about). On N900, it seems sufficient, as a 80x30 button is easily clickable. On the capacitive, it's a gamble.

And with multitouch, getting two fingers in there REALLY makes the screen look small, insufficient. I hate Mah Jong, chess, all games with pieces. I hate the games where you need to cut through because you cant's see what you cut, it's under the finger. Excellent games and apps, ruined. Web stinks, need to zoom on everything.

So, resistive is a personal preference.

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Additionally, is that all you have to comment on N900? When I had the Android, the only thing I wanted was to tape them together. All the stuff I lack is in there. Broken down power consumption, better battery life, things that work, app base. Then, I remembered how I like Telepathy, precision, and computing power. And a good camera. Man, we have a good camera. And a keyboard.

When is a thin enough Android phone coming out so I can tape them back to back? I'd carry that brick around, because it would be the ultimate brick. I dare you to beat my brick. Dual SIM, capacitive AND resistive, full OS AND games and apps, the works. Problem is, the cameras don't work because they're back to back. I should add a hinge. Man that would be sweet.

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Oh, yes, madness runs in our family. Some people even called ME mad? And why? Because I dared to dream of creating a race of atomic monsters... atomic supermen with octagonal bodies that suck blood...

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what does 'stupid' & 'perfect' mean?

Surely everyone has a different opinion. I actually prefer the resistive screen on my N900 compared to the capacitive on the N8. So the screen is perfect to me- but not for you.

Time isn't helping either. Technology is advancing at a rapid pace, so say you buy a phone with a 12mp now, then after literally 6 months, there would be a phone with say 16mp.

Just be happy with what you got. :)

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You COULD look them up. http://www.m-w.com is pretty good.

I'm probably one of the few Android-liking people around that would prefer resistive too, actually, but I'm fine with capacitive too. I've learned that they both have their distinct advantages.

Time is an illusion. Lunchtime doubly so. Have you learned nothing from the Guide? Besides, your point is absurdly, nakedly obvious and compels me to respond with, "Duhh!" :)

What?? Screw that! I prefer IMPROVEMENTS over status quo any day, you Luddite. heh :)

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[QUOTE=Haider;917398]3. Xperia X10.
It has a good hardware and Android(One of leading OS in the market) except that its android is always out of date. When android 2.3 was being made they had their stupid a**es on 1.6. Now they finally got 2.1 and 2.4 is under consideration.QUOTE]

I dont see that as a down side what so ever, it shows they care and want to improve/evolve their OS rather ignore it and hope it dies like some notable maker of smartphones.

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I had a crazy old lady as a neighbor at one time...
She liked to call everything that doesn't go her way 'stupid'.

It was mildly amusing to see her curse off doors, cars and the likes.

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I agree with danramos. I was disappointed when N900 came out with resistive touchscreen, as I had always thought it's inferior to capacitive one. Turn out I was wrong, resistive touchscreen has its own advantage; and yes, N900 has the most sensitive resistive touchscreen I've ever used.

In response to OP, God doesn't create perfect human, how are you supposed to expect any human being could create anything perfect? ;)

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Stupid old lady.

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If I drop an N900 on the ground and smash the screen, I pick it right up and keep using it because I believe in the 5000 millisecond rule! God made dirt, dirt don't hurt! Omnomnomnomnom!

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meh I prefer resistive touch screen, any other software problems with the N900 can be fixed by the community