Any news on N9
 

Hello,

Was curious to know if there is some news about N9.


I was tempted to start develop in QT for play with my N900 and my futur N9 when out but i seen the motorola Atrix at CES who s very good and then was thinking too skip N9 and start play with android.


Any rumors or news who give a date for N9 like end of year or next one ?

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Nope, no news.

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Were there official news, unofficial leaks, or new rumors, there would be an obvious, active thread about it.

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Like this one right now!

Heck, I shouldn't even have fed it just now..;)

If you enable gadgetsite's rss feeds on your classic 'ol n900 (like engadget) you will get the news asap. But be gently, you might upset it:o

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If you're a newbie with programming, then hands down Java is easier to pick up and learn. It will also help you with employment opportunities (e.g how many employers care that u know QT v.s Java???)

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IIRC, I thought there might be something happening at the Mobile World Congress in February.
Someone correct me if I'm wrong. I thought that was the next event where we hoped to hear of something.

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I read somewhere that the n9 will have a gpu called Mali-400 MP it's very powerful :D

http://arm.com/products/multimedia/m...ali-400-mp.php

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Where? Link?

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Hi,
http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php...highlight=elop

read this thread and you will realize that there is not even a little bit of information about Meego, N9 or a specific date.

However. the only real information available in the subject is presented in the thread name. First meego phone is a 2011 event, according to NOKIA CEO Mr Elop.

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here you go mate:
http://www.itproportal.com/2010/12/0...cortex-a9-cpu/

I hope that this is true...I mean the Mali 400 MP is a multi-core gpu! :rolleyes:

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If you are a newbie or even an experienced programmer, I'd recommend Qt with Python. The downsides are mainly for commercial interest

• You are distributing your source code
• Does not meet Meego certification requirements due to deps outside of Meego Core (but it is perfectly fine for the community OBS)
• Most programming competitions being announced from Intel or others seem to depend on you putting it in their App Store, see the above point.

As for Qt v Java:

• If you are comparing the language, C++ knowledge better translates to Java knowledge than the other way
• If you are comparing platforms, you are comparing Qt to Android, not Java. Take that as you will for employment opportunities in either.

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Was thinking about Qt +python.

And python is easier than java if no mistake.

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Go Qt and Python all the way. Python is quick and efficient, it's also very easy to learn.

Java, on the other hand, is slow and bulky.

Like, 59,000.

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Ty for advice.

Was reading a bit and there is like a project for port qt app to android no ?

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My vote would actually be for python.
I'm studying java at uni and I'm learning python in my spare time, for some reason java doesn't seem to click with me compared to python.

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That's because Python is faster and has more logical,easier syntax. Gotta love Python.

Which one seems like a faster, more versatile language?
http://hstddev.images.s3.amazonaws.c...e/python03.jpg
or
http://t2.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:E...040306.jpg&t=1

Point is, Python's supreme.

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If you are a complete newbie, I would recommend starting with just python. Get some "hello world" type stuff under your belt and then you can try to horn in qt (I recommend pyside over pyqt, though there is not really a whole lot of difference).

The really good thing about Python + Qt over going the Java/android route is that you can create a working Python + Qt app on your desktop or laptop, and then pretty much run it straight away on your N900 with little or no modification. (There is some work to packaging for the repositories, but that is another matter entirely, and the Mobility components make this a little trickier than it should be, but otherwise the statement is true.)

With Java there is a little more of a learning curve just to get your program up and running (managing jars and classpaths, etc.) though it is not that difficult once you get it under your belt. With Android programming, you are looking at running your app in an emulator on your desktop--Android apps are very specialized Java apps.

If you are somewhat geekily inclined, and are looking for something to actually write programs about to help you learn any of these languages, I would suggest you take a look at Project Euler. These are a series of programming puzzles that will force you to use alot of basic programming concepts.

Ultimately, I would suggest learning both Python and Java. Java is much more rigid than Python and will force you to use some more formal design patterns (google the phrase design patterns when you have some object oriented programming under your belt), which is a good thing if you are writing code that someone (including yourself) will need to read again. Python can be written as formally and structured as you like, and I would argue that there is little that can be done in Java that cannot be done just as well in Python, but Python is far superior for writing scripts and one-off programs (like a one-time data conversion or a quick-and-dirty screen scraper). I can have a problem resolved in Python before I get an Eclipse project created with a properly configured Maven POM file to handle dependencies and build the app, and generate 250 lines of code creating getters and setters...you get the idea.

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Another rumor:http://www.prwallstreet.com/4447/seo...arch_2011.html

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give QT/Quick a chance it is far better development API than android imho... cause it also works on desktop an netbook etc...

Also supported on more mobile platforms like symbian (E7/N8) and winmobile etc...

There also is some QT OSS project trying to port QT too Android

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yeah and you are a ttroll. doesnt have a clue what you are talking about.

Qt is used everywhere!

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Hmm I also prefer Python instead of java cause it syntax and fast write small apps. But saying its faster than Java I am not sure about that do you have some benchmark or test showing that? Would be great to know if its the case yet another reason to dish Android then ;)

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A good Java VM implementation is much faster than Python. But Java is a bit of a nasty language imo, then again, I'm not a massive Python fan either, but I do like high level dynamic languages.

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What I meant was that it's faster to write than in Java due to it's simplified syntax. Speedwise, I believe Java is faster, but it's not very noticable - if at all.

Edit: I just pulled this off of a forum by a user named sturlamolden from Velocity Reviews and it sums up my own opinions as well as what I've been told from instructors:

- Coding? Yes, if you program 'pythonic'.

- String handling? Often.

- I/O and networking? Often.

- Iteration? No.

- Function calls and recursion? No.

- Arithmetics with elemental types? No.

- Numerics? Yes, if you use NumPy.

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Article about the N9 in 'The Gadget Show': http://fwd.five.tv/gadget-show/gadge...to-star-at-mwc

apparently, its going to be announced at the MWC in feb. For more info see the link. :)

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That means we might be able to see one on local store shelves sometime
around Christmas, assuming that all the various regulatory thugs
get their properly stuffed brown envelopes from Nokia on time.

No sooner than that unless you live in Finland.

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now that meego is running on the Nexus S, I imagine it could be made to run on the htc desire z, so that would be the next best thing to a Nokia N9?

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T3 is a leading gadget magazine here in the UK. According to the latest edition (Dec 2010) the N9 will be launched i the first quarter of 2011 with the meego os.

T3 claims that Nokia are hoping the new os will erase all those bad memories we long time Nokia users had with symbian.

So can we expect the N9 before April? My personal prediction is no. I don't think Elop will risk his reputation. He'll want absolute surity that meego can be a real threat to the other operating systems out there before launching it on the world.

Nokia cannot afford to launch another os that fails to take on Android and Apple head to head, regardless of how good the hardware is.

Just my personal assessment.

Cheers

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Unless something has changed, the N9 will not run MeeGo OS.It will be running what would have been Maemo6 OS (Harmattan) but with a MeeGo compatible layer.

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Well. I think a lot have changed.

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Hehe! Love that!

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Given that they show a picture of an N810W with a caption saying it's an N8 running Symbian^3, I think it's safe to say they're making up nonsense just like everyone else.

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Ok that's interesting, because the last I read of it the new OS was to be Maemo6 (and deb) based but with the MeeGo compatability layer which would make software behave like MeeGo - it would be a kind of hybrid OS. However it would be marketed as MeeGo, the idea being to get the MeeGo brand going.

I don't want to derail the thread too much, but can you give me a quick run down of what has changed then in the past few months?

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Not sure what article you're referring to, this was what turned up in google:
http://www.t3.com/news/nokia-meego-'...nt'?=50205

I'm sorry to say that I think T3 is rather lame. Whilst they do sometimes score a "scoop", mostly the magazine is pretty much worthless as a source of technical information IMNSVHO :(

Their problem is the british media disease of needing to oversimplify things. Also, because they're in print, they have to rush stuff out to make their deadlines, and often don't seem to have time to check articles properly for accuracy. You can tell that many reviews are written with little or no hands-on time with the device (or the reviewer didn't actually understand what they were doing or simply rewrote another gadget site's article.

At least they turned off article comments, which were filled with spam and nothing else.

I used to listen to the T3 podcast for amusement value, even though it was pretty crappy, but they broke it somehow, I pointed out to them that a podcast verification tool showed their syntax was defective but because it worked on ipod/iphone, they didn't care.

Oh dear, sorry to have ranted. Anyway, I wouldn't believe anything T3 wrote unless I saw it elsewhere reported by the original news source.

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For every one QT job posting, there is probably 100 to 500 job postings for Java. If you disagree, you clearly are not a professional developer.

Here's the data to back it up

silicon valley jobs:
http://www.simplyhired.com/a/jobs/list/q-qt/l-94089 => 80 job openings
http://www.simplyhired.com/a/jobs/list/q-java/l-94089 => 9000 job openings

jobs in uk:
http://www.simplyhired.co.uk/a/jobs/list/q-qt => 181 openings
http://www.simplyhired.co.uk/a/jobs/list/q-java => 18,000 openings.


jobs in Nokia:
yeah, QT's probably pretty important!

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Ha, those idiots!

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That sounds like FUD. You can't possible make such a generic statement. Where are you basing this statement ?

FWIW, most python code uses libraries which are written in C/C++. This means that only a small fraction of the actual program runs in python. I hope you're not benchmarking a for loop but a full program instead.

Also, you cannot compare those two languages since java practically does not use any libraries at all. At best it has language extensions but not any libraries that other non-java programs may use. Python on the other hand mostly uses existing platform libraries and wraps them. As such, you cannot compare a gui program written in java and in python since the java version will have a very very bad gui with many limitations. Just try to make a GTK or Qt or Wx or ...(fill the blank)... -based gui in java. Since you cant, you cannot perform realistic speed comparisons.

my 0.02€

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That is a spam website. Congratulations on helping them in their spamming goals. :D

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First, I have also read that hybrid plan several months back. I'm not sure if it was true or not. Was it ever announced from nokia or some unknown blog? But since then several things have changed. Ari jaaksi left the building. Elop took over. Stallman and some other women were hired(never learn the name). I'm pretty sure they all have a leading role when it comes to meego. And they want to do it their way. Not Ari's and OPK'way. Now what does this information give you? well no real information about meego or the n9. But be sure Plans have changed...

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Ya know, 80 job listings in Silicon Valley is actually really good since you're only one person.

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The thing was about java is much more popular, wich it is...