With the E7-00 coming next month, is anyone jumping ship?
 

A friend of mine asked me if I was going to ditch my N900 for the new E7 when it comes out next month. I said no, because all I've read about Symbian3 ain't so hot, and I'm not trading in my Maemo for something that is only half as good. But the hardware looks nice...:cool:

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I was thinking about buying another N900.

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But is it really coming next month? :D

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i dont find anything intresting about Symbian .... Need Another Lap With Phone Function gonna replace my N900....

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If someone can make a working port of Maemo to run on that, I would be tempted.

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Yeah, I wouldn't trust anything Symbian again. Even the name gives me the shivers. I've just moved on from s60v5 on the N97 when I got my N900 last Wednesday. Worst year of my life with that N97. And I ain't joking either.

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As much as I'm a sucker for the QWERTY form factor, its Symbian that just turns me off completely.

Symbian doesn't really feel like anything from this day & age, and it's just so stagnant. There's just really nothing interesting about it.

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I was lucky enough to have a good play with an N8 at launch and have to say that Symbian has improved a lot.

People are hacking Symbian^3 now and the list of apps is growing daily. Many of the features and functionality we enjoy on N900 will be there on E7 - albeit with limitations and an arguably less sophisticated user experience compared to Maemo 5

Symbian^3 also retains excellent power management and efficiency compared to Maemo 5.

The new Symbian Browser should bring a browsing experience on a par with MicroB, and when the first big FW update brings this it will be accompanied by many improvements across the OS.

What puts me off the E7 is the hardware; although E7 has a better-spaced keyboard I doubt it will have the shortcuts we enjoy on N900. Although the case and glass screen will be more durable than N900, I would miss the resistive screen that allows you to handle the device without inadvertantly answering a call or buying something on eBay by mistake.

Above all else, I would miss the auto-focus camera of the N900, complete with its sliding cover to protect the lens from rease and scratches and the magnetic switch to launch the camera. EDOF ("Full Focus") has its uses, and 90% of the time will take pics as good as N900, but the lack of Macro and general flat photo detail does it for me.

Oh - and the non-replaceable battery...

...might get an N8 to keep my N900 company, though f they are now very good value on the used market here in the UK.

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Nope, Symbian feels like it would be a step backwards. On top of that if the Android crowd gets 2.3 onto the 2011 catalog(as in what comes to CES and MWC) then I feel that Android will be at the point where I will spend the money on a top of the line phone and respectfully retire the N900 from daily use.

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I got the daughter an N8 as an upgrade at christmas, and I am quite pleased with it. Symbian 3 is a great improvement, but it is still obviously a phone first, and not a patch on maemo to be honest.

I would not jump to the E7 for a few reasons - EDOF camera, and no microSD slot, and limited internal memory are the main ones.

Looks damn lovely though...

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I think that the E7 will be a 'good' phone, but fear it won't compete in the market out there right now. And while the N8 has a sexy camera, lots of people bemoan Symbian3 as the step forward from S60 that should've been a LEAP. And Maemo5, even with it's limitations probably would still be more enjoyable to use than Symbian3. For me, the bottom line is this: I'm sticking with my N900 until something of EQUAL quality comes out, which is more than likely going to be the N9 running Meego. And even then I'd wait until it was a proven unit before parting with my N900 and $$$.

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I for one, is bored of maemo and meego, and got myself a Samsung wave with Bada. I will not call it a step up from the N900, but it is different. My wife got a N8 and to be honest Symbian3 is a step up from maemo5. The E7 looks nice, but it is not worth the steep price IMO.

I will stick with my Wave untill the N9 comes along. Then I will see if it has proper ovi integration. If it doesn't, I will get a Symbian phone or perhaps a WP7. But it has to have hw keyboard.

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Also, when I say step backwards, I mean that unfortunately commercial US companies have decided to tunnel vision Android and iOS right now, and I am starting to want to use what they offer in the way of apps(more specifically apps that provide them with DRM).

It doesn't matter how nice the browser is, or how functional newer versions of Symbian will be, if it doesn't get DRM related apps. I understand why companies that I pay for services, want to control their content, it doesn't bother me so much, but by choosing to spend money on Symbian, I would be choosing to not have a phone that supports those services.

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Hmmmm. The N900 still wins on lots of things. For example:

E7:
4" screen at 640x360

N900:
3.5" screen at 800x480

E7:
680MHz CPU

N900:
600 MHz (Stock speed) 1.5GHz if you're brave enough.

E7:
Maximum User Storage 350 MB
Mass Storage Memory 16 GB
NAND Memory 1 GB
SDRAM Memory 256 MB

N900:
* Up to 32 GB internal storage
* microSD memory card extension, hotswappable, up to 16 GB* (current availability)
* Total available application memory up to 1 GB (256 MB RAM, 768 MB virtual memory)

*Can now be increased to 32 GB. It may even be happy to take 64 GB, when they become available.

E7's browser doesn't look too impressive over the N900's either.

Think I'll stick with the 900 for now.

Oh, and probably by the time it's released Symbian will be closed source again.

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Symbian is a no no for me. Even if it has improved, it's still a big pain in the *** to get anything done on it. It'd probably take me several months of programming and bashing against Symbian's antiquated OS to get access to my email account which is only accessible through openvpn, for example...

On maemo? apt-get install openvpn and copy over the openvpn file for my email account. 2 minutes.

Symbian makes me feel like as if I'm being treated like a 2 year old, getting locked up in a very small playpen with a squeaky ball as my only tool, and then neglected.
Atleast with Maemo I'm getting locked up and abandoned in McGyver's garage.

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interesting about symbian 3, but i don't know how true though, is that i have read around in blogs that nokia has a plan of quarterly massively updating the OS and purportedly, will eventually have the smooth UX of a maemo and ios device.

i will have to wait and see first. but the fact that nokia has actual support and plans for symbian3 gets me pissed off about owning a maemo device.

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symbian works for someone who just wants a simple phone with a few extra features.

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Honestly, I would love one, I like Symbian. Problem is, it'll probably cost way more than it's worth, like most mobiles available today. Example, C6-01 on the UK store, since it's for some reason not available in the US store, is £279.00. That's about USD 370 for a phone with 3G and a terrible camera. That thing's worth maybe USD 275 or 300 max.

Aside from the memory cards, specs don't matter if it's not the same OS.

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But Nokia are supporting Symbian3 for now. Remember it didn't take them too long to drop Maemo support. And while that is less of a problem because the Maemo community seem to be doing a better job at keeping things fresh than Nokia ever could've done, it makes me think that as soon as the E7 is out in the wild, a few months after that, E7 (and N8) owners will be frustrated because it's likely that Nokia will drop (or reduce) support for Symbian3 as they focus their attention on Meego. And because of the nature of Symbian (and that Nokia are in charge of it now) it could become a closed OS. No tweaks, no homemade apps.
While I'm sure Symbian3 is an improvement over S60, it can't be better than Maemo5. Just take this tiny example: on the E7 desktop, you are restricted as to where your widgets and shortcuts go, in 1 of 4 squares. Sure you can choose the square, but I can do whatever I want with my widgets and shortcuts on my (4, not 3!) Maemo homescreens! Just that alone makes me wonder just how un-customizable Symbian3 is compared to Maemo5.

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I think 1.1 or 1.2GHz is the max for the N900.

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I'd love to give E7 a try. I think Symbian (and especially Symbian^3) is a very solid operating system (in fact, as far as I know Symbian is one of the best operating systems out there for embedded devices, performance and flexibility-wise), and to be honest that phone looks just beautiful :)

http://img199.imageshack.us/img199/6325/nokiae71f.jpg

BUT - I won't trade my N900 for it :)

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As a non-techy I'm intrigued; just how safe is overclocking the N900 really? I mean from 600 to say, 800? And would that kind of change show a real improvement in speed, or not that much?

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I will not disagree with you, it is a GREAT looking device. But from what I've read about Symbian^3, it seems buggy and has limitations. I won't be swapping my N900 for it either :)

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but isnt symbian getting loads of updates this year, its going to be like an overhaul of the os! Symbian might look very different in 10 months

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Dont see any reason to overclock unless wanting to perform a specific task. I would advice not to overclock your device. There is a reason why it is at 600.

There is alot of OC threads here so plz search and read. And dont go to much of topic here. :)

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Cheers for that :)

Bet you couldn't overclock an E7... ;)

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You know, I think the fact that Nokia released Symbian^3 in an unfinished state really is telling. Soon the qwerty portrait update is being released, which is good news for N8 owners, but why wasn't this part of the original OS? People don't want to spend $600 on a new E7, to then have to wait 4 months for those browser updates, or whatever, to make it work the way they expected it to in the first place!

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Hm Id love to have a thin mobile phone for my suits and such, this bulky bastard kinda gets in the way some times when all I really need is "phone" and "sms". course, Im sure theres thinner and cheaper devices that can do that. on the other hand again, the new os intrigues me slightly.

but yeah no, Im not swapping my n900 until something better comes along with hw keyboard and such an open OS as maemo5.

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Yes it is a bulky bastard. But I think it is the best bet for having a HW keyboard and quality, open OS.

N9 will succeed the E7 by late summer this year, and E7 owners will be pissed off. N900 owners will be happy they waited :)

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Very true, but in a marketing standpoint, an open source OS just scares off app developers that actually gives most meaning to a platform. that is why i think maemo5 lacked all those game titles in the first place despite its capability.

they might indeed abandon symbian but by far we at least had to wait about a year for pr1.3 after n900 release while symbian 3 is already headed to pr2.0 on feb and pr3.0 on Q2. just a few months after n8 release. and reportedly packing 50+ major features on just pr2.0. that is just what i meant by my support comment. also,

if they were to drop symbian, they would have already done so a long time ago. don't you think?

fact is not everyone are like us who spend most of the time tinkering with the OS itself.

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Show me a mobile OS that IS 'finished' at launch..!

Remember, Symbian will be Nokia's staple OS from featurephone to smartphone, so support should be there. They've also elected to drop the 'Symbian^3/Symbian^4' staged development path in favour of seamless upgrades, so any new Symbian deviceds should be good for a couple of years.

I've just received an update for my 'ancient' X6 and Nokia have recently updated lots of S60 devicds like E72, E55, etc, so if what is past is prologue, NEW Symbian should be a safe bet.

...but then we said that about N97...

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im getting one for my wife, but not sure she can move from her current n97 mini. that form factor is just perfect imo. id love love love to see meego in the n97 mini form factor someday

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The new Symbian is very solid AFAIK. Soon it'll get a big update and would be even better, including a new web browser (which is currently one of its biggest weak points, even though you can always download and use 3rd party browsers for it)...

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hmmmm...symbian, man s60 was the bomb diggedy back before touchscreens, after the frustration of owning a n97 and the corruption of now owning a n900, i think i'll pass till something better is on offer, ;)

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Symbian - suitable for small children of all ages,
diapers not included
http://i88.photobucket.com/albums/k1...y-baby-a3c.jpg

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I'm going to go out on a limb here and say the E7 actually is the same device pictured in the N9 rumor blogs a few months back - an early prototype anyway.

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We will know soon enough (or so they say ;))

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Now that i know how interesting device an open mobile-computer-phone as N900 can be, no way i would swap down to some closed system as S^3 again. My N900 does everything i need for me.

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Symbian is not as close as you think - its probably as open as Android (though I'm not quite sure about it).