NOKIA is still strong
 

sorta, smartphone sales still groing. 5 million Symbian3 devices sold. Lots of news coming in February (again some will say, but nevertheless, this time with Elop)

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/...s-profits_.php

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Strong is exaggeration but it isn't doing bad. I think in next two weeks all reports for whole 2010 will be in and it will be possible to compare with other companies.

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yeah, but Smartphone market share is seriously donw - down to 31% globally.

So while handset sales increased, marketshare decreased.

As Elop himself put it - "In short the industry changed and Nokia needs to change fast"

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Yes thats why Elop will say Nokia goers WP7 at the meeting 11 february

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Needless to say the market is growing faster than Nokia can increase sales, thus the negative trend in market share. I can understand why Nokia's next flagship devices (N9?) has to be a hit (i.e. surprise the market, not just keep up).

The N8 and E7 are nice, but in the marketing world we live in it's all about the numbers (RAM, processor, apps, screen size, etc..). If you don't play the game you better have something significantly different that everyone understands it's value. The N8 and E7 are good, just not ground breaking.

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Nokia has become the Kia/Hyundai of cell phone manufacturers.

Excels at making cheap products, however you wouldn't want to buy anything sporty or 'fun' from them

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Well nokia is one of the players that really can handle 3 OS with their huge volumes. I'm starting to believe that this might be the right way. Just not Android plz.

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hmm, like the N900?? or maybe the N8? you know that the N8 has sold mor units in the last two months last year than iPhone 4 and the 3gs combined. Not bad for a "cheapo" phone at US$ 500 a piece with an outdated OS that "no one" wants :)

Nokia is simply too slow, maybe they are too large to react quck enough. The N8 came 6 months too late, the E7 is still not here and any MeeGo devices? where are they? But Nokia is keeping up, they are growing in the fast expanding smartphone market, albeit slower than Android devices.

As long as they keep making phones like the N900 or N8, I really don't care how big they are, because no one else bother making phones like these phones. All the others are all the same boring "screens", except maybe Palm/HP.

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Wow, easy there. Source?

A quick google search told me that Nokia sold 4 million N8 units in two months after the release, which is an impressive number indeed (hats off to Nokia), but also that the iPhone 4 sold 3 units in the first month after the release. So, more than the iPhone 4 and the 3gs combined... I don't think so. But the numbers also prove that the N8 is doing good, so your point is still correct ;)

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i just dont understand how a world leading mobile phone manufacturer, with way more resources ( man power, money ) and most of all, experience, is struggling to immediately come up with a better answer to IOS ever since the iphone came out. ( disputable, but sales do talk )

it just depresses me that they are wasting time and money.

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They became infected by symbian people who could tell more lies than anyone else. Couple that with no vision about what they wanted - then a crazy asses vision of out googling google with the absolute pile of trash that is ovi - thanks OPK. OPK loaded the board with non entities (Mary Mcmental and her amazing ability to totally cockup everything she touches) - all yes people who didn't seem to be able to provide any time.
He managed to stall all linux work started by the previous CEO - by limiting maemo to specialist buyers, One of the key reasons for that was because the N900 was going to actually be ready to sell before the pile of horseshit that was the N97 - they didn't want the N97 to be threatened by the N900.
S40 was left to rot - its now in an advanced state of decay - they are outsourcing like crazy to india to drop R+D costs. The one thing they had that apple and google didn't have was radio and protocol experience - and as of December last year they sold that off.

So Elop is inheriting a Nokia that is at a real cross roads - a drop of 9% in market share cannot be seen as good. Android is now eating in to its mid range and lower tier devices and Apple is still wiping the floor on the high end. Carriers in North America now openly laugh in the face of Nokia devices (note the AT+T debacle).
Can Elop turn it around ? - I don't rate him so far. I've seen none of the signs of a true leader.

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I meant in the last two months of last year.

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Ah ok I see, sorry, I misread your post... that may be indeed correct. But that's not really a fair comparison imo (iPhone 4 was already out 6 months before, while the N8 was just released)

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Nonsense. Symbian is doing extremely well. Only Android has a larger rate of growth since Q3 2009. What has happened is that smartphones (read Android and Symbian) has taken over for dumbphones in the mid-ranges. Elop has no part in this. We will see what the Elop regime is good for when MeeGo eventually gets rolling, and how well he handles the Symbian^3 devices.

http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/image...hone-q4-10.png

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it's just that i remember during my nokia 8210 days back in college. that nokia is if not the first, one of the first ones to come up with a touch screen mobile phone concept. i was so amazed upon seeing those concept images. also, most of the cellular and data technologies used today even the name 3rd generation technology came from them.

despite of every achievement mentioned above, they are now struggling on something they most likely created themselves.