A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

I don't want to start an argument here or anything but I have noticed that many people who dislike the N900 was because of the "lack of apps" - now I can understand if they were only downloading from the Ovi Store (which I think we all can agree is a joke - it should be renamed to the Ovi Pum and Pop Store). But if you enable repos like maemo.org, -testing, -dev then there's more than enough Apps to choose from.

On my N900 for games I have; Angry Birds, Asphalt5, Jurassic Coaster 3D, Descent, DRIVER, SNES Emulator, Duke Nukem 3D, Giant Fighting Robots, Hexen 2, NES emulator, Jagged Alliance, Kroll, N64 Emulator, Need for Speed, Numpty Physics, Oregon Trail, PS2 Emulator (EDIT: Meant to saw PS1), Doom, Quake 2, Quake 3, Lamar Research Flight Simulators, Starcraft, Warcraft II, TuxRace, Wallenstein 3D (I left out the boring ones like chess)

I also have 2 dictionary applications, 2 translator applications, and as stellerium program for references.

As for graphics, I can view RAR photos, I have numerous excellent image editors (including GIMP), and even the pressure sensitive mypaint.

I have numerous navigation programs, and if I want to use Google maps I just go to the Google maps web site.

I find the camera to be great for a cell phone, and I also have 2 panoramic photo applications (one was free). With FCam it is very easy for me to adjust the camera settings.

Network options are ridiculous; VNC servers and (numerous) clients, Google Chrome, Firefox, Iceweasel, Macuco, Opera, Pidgin, 2 BitTorrent clients, the list can go on and on.

For office type applications I have K Office, Open Office, PFD editor and reader, AbiWord, Gnumeric for spreadsheets, I can't think of anything more I would need.

I have so many system info apps and other utilities it is crazy!

And on top of that I have DOSBox, BlueMaemo, and Debian LXDE? And if that's not enough I can dual boot into (admittedly) slower version of NITDroid.

I don't understand what more someone would want... can anyone explain?

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

I don't get it either... I guess that most of them are trolls and the rest are after shiny glossy cute little nothing apps.

The N900 is the best damn device I've ever bought :D

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

Most of the "haters" are probably Astroturfers.

Someone who is curious about the N900, and want to know more about the device will find this forum sooner or later, and will find the Active Topics panel to the right where the Astroturfers and a couple of "useful idiots" keep the "anti-N900/Nokia" topics alive just to try discourage potential byers.

Just my 2 cents.

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

yes but...can it make me lunch :)))) JOKE :D

Leaving all jokes aside, i love my n900. With this phone i replaced my old laptop, my remote control for the TV,DVD and even PC, my webcam, my mp3 player and a few other stuff.

I don't know what could you possibly ask for, that the n900 cannot do.

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

theres planty of apps out there its just people are lazy to look for them , i dont agree myself i think this is best phone ever(todate) well its my best anyways does every thing i need it an more . . .

N900 rules

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

yes maybe there are many apps but with all the devel apps you have i bet you will in a month open here a new thread with something like: help my n900 is acting weird.
and the haters mostly hate because of the lack of support and the instability of the system.
but maybe someone can explain that a little bit better......
oh yes and which ps2 emulator are you talking about?
i searched long time for it and couldn't find one?????

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

I'm mostly worried about rootfs space. I don't have games (though I have heard about tuxfootball, Peqersi, and some others), and I would like to remove default built-in games. The only app from Ovi Store is Nokia Panorama, and it's quite good.
I have QStarDict (what's your second dictionary application?), though I need more dictionaries (not a problem), and no special translators.
I have Stellarium and Orrery.
I don't have any image-editing applications besides the default. I know, default PhotoEditing and Sketch are pathetic. But PenPen is mostly for hurried note-taking, and MyPaint is too complex with its choice of brushes, and ImageMagic isn't touch-friendly at all, it has potential, but no usable user interface. And I don't use EasyDebian.
Navigation programs: ModRana.
Camera: default (not bad), Nokia Panorama (not bad, but sometimes annoying), _no_FCam_ (have heard too much about (un)installation problems and conflicts), mbarcode.
Browsers: Fennec, MicroB, Google Chrome, no Opera.
Office type applications: mostly not needed, use Leafpad and have Vim.
Also Filebox, Copernicium, QtOctave, QRadio, VU Meter. And others.
Just too many apps. They should be optified better.

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

Some people think: The more apps, the better the phone must be
Some people think: I don't care about apps.
Some people think: Apps are things to *hide* the limitations on devices
Some people think: I don't need that many apps.

It all comes out on what a person seeks in their phone.
I'm happy with my phone, other people are happy with their phones.
Why should I say that my phone is better?
My mom finds my phone overcomplicated and prefers her nokia 6500.
I think her nokia 6500 is too simple so i prefer my n900.

let's be glad that there is so much choise on phone's
If everyone would have an n900, that would be boring -.-

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

if you want a phone with limited OS and functionality go and buy another one, but if you want the freedom to create your own apps get the n900.
Of course you will have some bugs, because the OS and the applications are in the developing stages. So quit complaining and help the marvelous programers that use this talk to make better and useful apps.
No one forces you to use the devel/extra devel catalogs.

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

I have no hate for the N900, just bought a second one as a matter of fact and starting to use my old one to experiment with things I was hesitant to play with on a device I depend on for daily use.

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

I found it strange because nearly everyone who sees me using my phone either out of boredom, browsing the web, playing games, or using my applications asks, "Where can I get that?" and I always respond, "Well, this phone requires a certain level of computer knowledge." Truthfully it does, if you have ever taken your computer to the GeekSquad to get it fixed the N900 is not for you. It is not a phone for everybody - however if you know how to use it properly (adding repos, symlinks, linux file system experence, etc.) then it is outstanding in most aspects and has plenty of applications that are MUCH better than the Fart app for the iPhone or Android.

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

See, that's what is so great about this community - let me post some things that will assist you:

http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space

You can symlink applications from home to MyDocs saving MASSIVE amounts of space in /home/ by using MC and DiskUseage and Stoage Useage.

My second dictionary application is MStarDict.

GIMP is in EasyDebian, but Ansel-A is amazing for quick editing on the go.

I have FCam and MBarcode (running on Titans newest kernel) and I have no errors and no desire to uninstall it. I would suggest getting it.

I have every app you mentioned, plenty of free space in RootFS and /home/

It just takes a little reading and/or knowledge.

Edit: For Preenv you can even make MyDocs executable, no need for symlinking - works great.

http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65730

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

You are right. If you want a phone just to have some apps that look nice, but are not useful at a lot of things then do not buy the N900, it is not the phone for you.
But if you want to do something like ssh, vnc, ftp, create scripts etc.... then the N900 is perfect.

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

Well, that is not exactly what I am saying - I use VNC, FTP, SSH, etc. on my N900 - but I also use Instinctiv - it works great. I can't think of an app that the Apple App Store or Android Store has that I need that would be a deal breaker. Sure, it's a bumber we can't get Angry Birds Seasons... but we can. We can run it off Preenv or we can just make our own level packs. I simply don't understand how someone could say the N900 has a lack of 3rd party applications.

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

One of my favourite N900 "apps" that is not available on any other platform is the Garet VM that allows me to run my favourite classic PalmOS apps and games. There's nothing like playing Bejeweled in the classic PalmOS environment. :D

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

I have a good friend who is a 40 yo programmer/analyst and owns an iphone4. I told him he should have gotten one of these, showing off my N900, and that he should be ashamed of himself.

His response was "for me iphone is more fun. I know I can create angels with a N900 but that's my job... not my idea of fun"

I can't argue with that now can I?

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

you really can't say that maemos apps are better then apples or androids.they have all emulators too and many maaaaaany nive applications and really good hd games and everday is more comming.apple has many stupid apps but maemo has them too.
angryman and many apps which just destroy your device or are just totally pointless.
if you don't want hear trolling about n900 then stop trolling about other os's.
maemo is a great os,android is it too.
offtopic:so whats with the ps2 emulator?where can i get it?

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

I apologies I meant PS1, without a doubt Android is a great platform and so is iOS. But how many "Goodbye N900" threads have been on here because of the lack of 3rd party applications?

I am not trolling, I am just asking why? I don't understand what more someone would want?

And I never said any applications were better or worse than other platforms.

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

Well that's just it... I don't understand why there are people who are gay, but there are... :D

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

I have a friend, that his arguments are :

"The n900 aren't a "best-seller" phone, so because that, the phone is a s**t.
A stupid argument in my opinion. The reason of that is easy; in the marketing of today, common users want a phone with 999 mpx of camera, facebook, twitter and stuff like that, and not a phone with open source, Linux OS, and the things that we all know( dual boot, etc...)

"The n900 and maemo have a lack of apps, because android market/apple store have 99999999999999 apps"
Another stupid argument. Is SOMEBODY in that planet that have already installed the 999999999 apps in their mobile? of course NOT, and while in maemo we have 10 apps for music, in the app store you can find at least 300 . There are more options? Yes, is true, but by the way, is the same: Music player.

"Oh yeah, but maemo still having a lack of apps"

Here it goes again. What the hell do you want? 9999999 apps like apple store? no thanks, i prefer almost 2000 apps , totally open source, and almost all FOR FREE, (maybe in 100 you have to pay), a "mobile" where i can install the WONDERFUL android with 9999999 apps included.

I dunno how to talk with him , because when you start to explain the things that I said above, he stops you and said "n900=s**t" without reason.
How I hate some Iphone users...

What can I do with this stupid-closemind friend? Kill him?

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

Im a little confused by your thread. Your title is "N900/Maemo haters" but your question is rather in regards to people perceiving a lack of apps. I don't think the "goodbye" threads are mainly from people who hate the device, rather mostly they are written by people who find a better range of software and services on another device.

Some prefer a standard portrait UI based device. Some want a more reliable phone with a better range of call functions. Some want closed apps only available on other devices that wouldn't be possible to port. Some are interested in augmented applications that require a digital compass which is missing on N900. And to be honest, your list of games only highlights the lack of new games written for/available on the N900.. it can be argued that this is not a device for a modern gamer. Personally I'm annoyed that it doesnt have a bit more RAM :)

Every device has it's pros and cons and won't suit everyone. We all pays our money and makes our choices, imo it's fairly simple and straightforward :o

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

That's the weird part - every one of my friends who sees my N900 (regardless of their level of experience) wants to know where to buy one - the most negative things I have heard about the N900 have been on here.

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

Yeah, I have all the apps I need and plenty more. Thanks to all the people making awesome apps like the MMS app and Mappero! There are some silly things like no ovi-sync etc. but much less limitations than in any other OS. Actually I'm doing fine with only 100 apps installed.

I find it interesting that someone buys an Ipnhone with 2 billion apps because android has only 200000 haha

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

I've read a few "Goodbye N900" threads because they claimed they did not have enough apps. Maybe they were just using the Ovi store. I don't know. I agree the N900 is thick and does have it's downfalls and is far from perfect. But I don't see any problem with lack of applications.

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

You cannot change peoples mind and/or opinion. Just don't bring up this subject again with your friend :D

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

No, don't do that! Ask him to google something as he listens to some music, download an mp3 and send it to you via bluetooth :D

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

Ahh.. but if you can't get that one single app you need or would like, that you seen available on the Iphone or Android handset, then that's enough to trigger the "not enough apps" reflex in some people.

There's a huge commerical industry creating applications for iPhone and Android (and RIM, Bada, even Symbian..) that don't give the N900 a second look - from games, banking, TV and online media companies to mention a few. From next year we'll start to see new types of services rolling throughout UK such as NFC payments. So it's not that hard to imagine there will be applications and services that are attractive to people only available on other devices, and the trend is for that gap to increase. The trick is for Nokia to turn the goodbye threads into "goodbye N900, hello N9" threads as we move on to newer devices.

And actually i like the thickness of the N900.. see, we're all different :)

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

This is just that i am trying to do, but is he the one that start the subject. I think that i just ignore him xD

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

Flash 10.1 !!!!!!111!!!!11

j/k :D

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

yes or something even simpler, if he has an older iPhone, not the iPhone 4 , ask him to change the wallpaper :)))

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

epic win and epic fail for him xD

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

he is an apple fan boy. he have the iphone 4, but of course after the 2G, 3G and 3Gs. the funniest thing is that i had an iphone 4 about 4 months ago. I sold it xD

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

@xxxts: when your friends asked you where to buy the n900, did they actually buy n900?

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

Get him to download a zipped album, unzip it and listen to it without connecting his iPhone to his computer...

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

I don't know ONE application that I am really missing on the n900.
Yes, I'm missing some features.
But features can be added in a debian-like system like maemo.

Features can't be added on a closed application on android, iOS or Windows Mobile.
(...And if you want a useful application you have to pay!!!)

Linux has a big tradition. The applications are adapted to the needs of the users. Debian works on hundreds of different hardware systems. It works the same on a big mainframe like on the little n900. Imagine!!!
The programs are adapted at the most different uses.
The program on the n900 and the linux PC is THE SAME (not only similar!). (We don't speak about the optification.)
You can take the output of the n900 application and continue on the same document on the linux pc. And even if the application on n900 has an upgrade the same application on the linux pc has the same upgrade.
The old linux programs are venerable utilities that have be proven by tradition.

Android, iOS and Windows Mobile are only for mobile devices. If you want a usage that is a little bit different from the intended one you are completely lost. Those applications are idiots only for one usage.

Linux applications are universal. They work on every hardware you compile it. They have been tested on hundreds of hardwares. They are useful in different circumstances, with different configurations for different purposes.

The Linux on the n900 is identical with the linux on a big PC.

That's a very big difference to all other OS'es that are only for mobile devices!

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

I also have Nokia C6-01, and the Ovi Store has so many apps. But compared to the apps I have and use on my N900, those Ovi store (for Symbian) apps feels like junk. I think I only downloaded less than 10 apps, compared to over 60 wonderful apps on my N900. That's just my personal feeling.

Of course the C6-01 beats the N900 in Ovi maps with voice navigation and 3G video call. But I still have my fingers crossed someone will come up with those for Maemo N900.

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

I feel as one that hates this turgid lump of black plastic and metal I should put some alternative views into play here. Far too many fanbois talking this thing up.

I like the community, lets be honest anyone that spends their spare time trying to do something for this is great in my book. So lets make that clear, without it I would have an even less working turgid lump of crap. I like the people that have bothered to put the effort in.

First the apps you all so greatly claim, well firstly they are not apps. An app is a 'download and it works'. So many of those on your list are download but only if you accurately put it into some place on the root, (wargus still doesn't work for me) with certain permissions that you don't have by default and then you need to get a ROM (for emulators) from a website that you don't know about because there isn't a forum on it, and then you need a CD for a game that you extract on a windows PC and then copy the file across (duke nukem, quake) BUT only into one location that you can't get access to yet, then you reboot and then put in a .sh until it works. If and a big IF they do work they crash, all the time. (Open Dune) That isn't an App, it just isn't. A crashing program is a crashing program.

The apps that are just plug and play usually work to a certain level, and then don't work as intended, mainly because of conflicts or updates but also reading the forums because of unknown reasons. Wargus is a good example of people unable to do something because so many versions are in the repositories or something conflicts. The N900 is the same for everyone so why can't that just work? fMMS should just work. But doesn't. I can never get it working even with talking to frals, I can never get one MMS, I usually get none or 5 of the same one, each time connecting and failing to download. The same is said of many apps which rarely if ever make it from testing and devel', custom ring tones is another that I can't use, it adds 15 seconds to each phone call before I get a ring tone. So again you can't count these apps as apps, because they haven't been tested and marked as finished when so many can't get them to work. Autodisconnect fails every third try to stop a working network. It will kill my VNC when I AM using it, but won't kill my 'web and walk' when I am not using it, costing me money. It makes no sense and therefore can't be relied on. Nothing against the developer, but they don't have time to complete it? Or the N900 is so different between users that it won't work as it should.

The basic phone was poorly supported. It came in a box with a face camera that had no software that used it. Never in the history of ever have I known a product that came with hardware that wasn't supported in some way. And Nokia have continued in that "we don't care" attitude.

I need 6 apps to do basic functions, like tell me how much battery I have, to give me a decent notification that someone texted me, that someone called me, things that every other phone does as standard.

Nokia supported apps from the app store are very thin on the ground, And cost much more than like for like with apple or android. OVI suite doesn't support the phone. Making sync' very difficult. Took me three days to sync my calendar, with no help from the forums about it saying my outlook had moved btween clicking next on the wizard. Nokia PC suite is even worse.

OVI maps are dire, the UI is appalling and the only time I needed them I spent 25 minutes and half my battery to be told it couldn't find streets in London. Every other nokia phone has it working and with voice navigation, not this one, though a possible work around exists (see comments above about not being easy to implement, not working for some)

Day to day. Well to date no one can explain why my phone decides half way through playing a movie if I press pause, it then decides when I press playback, it will stop playing the movie and report the "codec is unsupported." This was out the box and so far reflashing and spending my time reformatting haven't cured it.

I can't play MP3's from the SD card because index trackers chews up the CPU if I do. This is common, conky is great at telling me that 89% of CPU is index tracking when all I do is press play MP3.

I can't browse the web as it is sooooo slow. Five minutes to load a web page over 2G and 3G isn't much better. Firefox is faster but microb is awful but does flash, which I do need. yet people here think it is great, that I do not understand.

I need two file explorers to do one job. One won't allow you to double click to launch, the other won't allow you to create new folders, so copying is very awkward. I end up plugging into my works PC and just doing it on there.

Photos defaults to ALL pictures, I have 6000 images on my phone because of work and installed apps (warcraft installed dozens), I want to default to camera folder, it won't let me. So if I click photos I am waiting three minutes while it compiles the list.

Still don't have a working word editor. I posted elsewhere that freeoffice leaves every other page with white letters and blank pages and abiword crashes every time.

I need apps to make it work to a basic level, none of the features I bought it for exist and the many things I can download need such a massive amount of work to do anything properly it becomes a hassle, you can't consider this phone as good as something like iphone when I need a windows PC, a CD, jail break security and an hour with two web pages just to install a game.

That is why hate it, but I am stuck with it because I am not rich, I am tied into a contract for some months till I can throw this thing at the nearest brick wall and get a proper phone. Great if people like it and want to hack it but to me it is a load of beta and half developed apps the community work on now and then, attached to a poorly built and no longer officially supported PC with phone attached.

Everyone I know (I work in IT for the NHS) laughs at how crap this phone is, how appalling it is at everything I ask it to do. I am the walking advert not to buy Nokia and I have even managed to get work to change the 'On call phone' from Nokia contract handsets to HTC, it and Nokia's support for it, is that much of a put off to senior management.

That is my tuppence on the OP. No doubt I will be outweighed by fanbois saying their's works etc etc. Well my doesn't.

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

True story:

I was hanging out with friends at a cafe when someone asked what the song playing in the cafe was. My friend started shazam on his iphone 3Gs giving me a grin. A few seconds later he was trying to find a 3G signal as his wifi did not show the cafe's spot (don't know why) to get an ID on the song.

At the same time I connected to the cafe's free wifi, run instinctiv, found that it was monster magnet's "powertrip", downloaded the whole album with transmission at 750kb/s and tagged it with muss0rgsky.

I turned to my friend and asked "any luck yet"? He said "no there is no damn 3G signal in here nor a wifi spot".

And I said "well here's the song, the album cover etc. too bad I can't send it to you" and to his desperate disappointment I pointed my N900 screen at him and deleted the files...

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

A lot of the stuff you listed there you can't do full stop on the iPhone, and I think that's pretty much it -

If something takes a bit of work to get working, or there's a chance it can be installed or configured incorrectly, most other phone OSes will simply not allow you to do it.

Depending on whether or not you are technically minded or not, this can either be a good or a bad thing..

Re: A little confuised on the N900/Maemo haters... please explain.
 

@Joseph.skb
I don't use video calling.
But did you try this?
http://www.skype.com/intl/en/get-sky...in/nokia-n900/

Is this a fake?
http://www.zdnet.com/blog/cell-phone...onths-ago/5197

Does this not work with pr1.3?