iPhone review - what can Nokia learn?
 

First "review" of an iPhone "in the wild" (submitted by an Apple fanboi so obviously it's all positive and no negatives)

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=317396

Some of the UI ideas do sound "very cool" - the magnifying glass to assist with finger editing of text, for instance. It does sound like Apple have put a huge amount of effort into creating a slick but also *very* usable finger-based UI, hopefully it's not too late for Nokia to put the same effort into Internet Tablets and create a much slicker and more usable UI than we have at present.

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A transparent finger and stylus keyboard would be a great addition. Smoother webpage and overall scrolling would also be welcome. Even small additions of this sort could have a huge impact on the n800, all up to Nokia though.

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I will never never buy an Iphone. Apple prefer to launch it in US and does not want
to make a WW launch. I will continue to use N800 or my N80.:mad:

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About what can nokia learn:
At my view nearly nothing. Nokia kown how to put 8G in a phone, know how to
put a Touch screen and kow how to rotate the screen.
After this the Nokia Product Marketing is little bit weak on Smartphone devices
and the CEO does not make himself demonstration of his product. He is more
concentrated on the Nokia internal communication compare to Steve.

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One thing they might learn would be to quit with the "fanboi" sh*t. It's very hard to learn from people you denigrate.

Plus, how can you even call it a "review" when an anonymous waiter in a restaurant plays with a customer's phone for a few minutes? If it were an N900 and all else were equal, would you react that way?

Hopefully, all vendors including Nokia will learn how to create UIs that I don't have to use the corner of my fingernail to operate! A translucent onscreen keyboard that lets me see the chat while I'm responding would be nice.

Personally, I don't expect to own an iPhone, but I do expect to benefit from it as Nokia and other vendors rush to (a) make weak copies of superficial aspects of it, then (b) some figure out the hard interface stuff that matters. I just hope Nokia will be one of the smart ones who move to step (b).

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ROFL... I got a kick out of the paranoia in that thread. Good thing that never happens here! :p

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I'm not suggesting that anyone learns anything from Apple fans, but there's probably a lot for Nokia to learn from Apple in terms of how to design a slick and usable user interface... sigh. Maybe time will tell. :)

My pointing out that the review is from an Apple fan is not intended as denigration, rather it merely points out that the "review" has appeared on a fervently pro Apple site so is likely to be biased rather than neutral - consider it a caution for prospective readers. The same could be said about any Internet Tablet "reviews" that are posted here - they'll be biased in one way or another, most likely "pro" as many of us are Nokia Internet Tablet fans to one extent or another.

And besides, I'm yet to meet an Apple owner who doesn't drool at the mouth when discussing the iPhone! And some of these people are friends of mine who in all other respects can be considered entirely normal - it's a bizarre effect that Jobs and his crew have on otherwise ordinary people! ;)

Did you notice I put the word "review" in quotes, suggesting that I didn't believe it to be a "real" review at all? Apparently not. :rolleyes:

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I've never used the iPhone but I own a Treo 650 and N800... there are alot of pretty basic things that the tablet is missing...

All the basic applications the thing ships with SUCKS, they are unstable, some in beta. For example the email application is pure garbage no filters?? How about inboxes for each email account?

Nokia basically said here's the hardware guys... open soruce dev's take it away! and of course open source dev's do what they normally do...

Take an app and port it to something verbatim HELLO this is a portable device you can't have massive buttons that take up the entire screen. It's fine that Nokia wants open source dev's to contribute but they shouldn't solely rely on the open source community to do everything.

Take for example Gaim... great little app under the hood it does everything it's supposed to do... the UI for the N800 is absolutely horrible... for a handheld device that's short on screen space.

I still use my Treo 650 for chat I would rather pay the expensive GPRS fees than use the N800 why? because it takes me twice as long to type/write as it does on the Treo 650's keyboard. I'm not saying that the N800 should have a physical keyboard but if they want to use a virtual keyboard for god sakes spend some more time and get it right.

Oh right and why the heck doesn't the address book import Vcard Version 3.0 and why doesn't it handle a single vcard file with multiple contacts?

Currently in my opnion the N800's software and OS is far below even Windows Mobile.

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The iPhone interface guided tour was just released. I might have to add the iPhone to my gadget arsenal (which includes the N800). I was really impressed with the Google stuff, because it looks like it was designed for the iPhone.

http://www.apple.com/iphone/usingiph...our_small.html

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Enough iPhone talk. No one has ever used it here, neither have the idiots that are going to camp out of the store that are going to bow down at Apple with all their money before a real customer review has come out. Either Apple are good or there are just too many people that worship Apple and get brainwashed. Its just pathetic that people are going to buy this phone without even trying it. I know, I know, it would be great for touchscreen to improve on the N800, but improve like the iPhone, you haven't even used it, right now its an idea, but no one has owned a N800 and iPhone to compare. So as far as comparing, if you think something needs be improved, stop looking at the iPhone until you actually have used it for a while. Just remember this is the first time Apple's done a phone. Nokia have been doing this sort of thing since day dot.

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Personally I feel the N800 on screen keyboards (and handwriting recognition) are better than palms for extensive use. I love palm products and have used one for many years but the N800 beats the palm hands down in every area but PIM functions and with GPE PIM, that is now less so. Though I am working on shifting pi-sync onto the device.

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Quick question: How many of us ordered the N800 on 8 January, the very day it was announced by Nokia and without the benefit of any accurate/detailed reviews, let alone customer reviews?

I know I did! :o

Replace Nokia with Apple and call me a fanboi (though I do have my moments of negativity!!) :)

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Hmm.... You replied no, and then subsequently logged on to MacRumor site and posted a blog which had the aura of a journalistic piece. I guess that makes you a LIAR... and if you are liar, your entire Review is therefore itself suspect.

And this name ... Pat.... I wonder: did Steve Jobs "pat" your wallet for praising the iPhone on a MacRumor website?

.... (sigh with disgust)....

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Irrespective of the journalistic merit, and even accepting that it may be viral marketing, if the information in the MacRumours post is at all accurate then it sounds as if Nokia could learn a thing or two about UI design - it certainly does sound as though the iPhone has some nice UI touches.

Even if Nokia know everything there is to know about UI design, the point is the UI on the N800 is pretty ropey and slick UIs sell products - Apple know this, Nokia seem to think otherwise.

Ultimately I'm not trying to sell you guys on the iPhone - it's the functionality discussed in the article I'm interested in, and not the "marketing spin"! :)

Heck, even if the article is entirely fictitious and the iPhone doesn't do any of that stuff you still have to admit much of it sounds pretty slick and would look good on an N800! :)

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Milhouse: all points I was going to make (including buying both a 770 and N800 without trying them).

Apple's "thing" is a pretty, polished, well-thought out UI. They've done it with Mac OS X, and they've done it with the iPhone. This is why they have fans (my only Apple machine I've ever owned was an original Mac mini which I loved, and only sold because I needed more grunt and an Ubuntu box better met my needs).

Nokia's "thing" is less well defined because they have so many different focuses. This is fine.

We all agree that largely the N800 hardware is excellent for its price (although the video bandwidth issue is just pure folly), however Nokia *can* learn about easy-to-use full-screen mobile interfaces from Apple and the iPhone: don't copy a desktop OS. Think about an integrated, holistic device (a la the Newton, iPhone and the Psion EPOC R5 devices).

The trouble is, the Hildon UI and the Maemo OS are now more or less fixed in their design decisions. A whole new UI layer based on Evas with some all new applications would be the best bet for keeping the existing underlying OS but massively improving the user experience.