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martinwozenilek 2011-02-11 07:46

Goodbye Meego, goodbye Nokia
 
Holy ****!

http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/...t/?sf1066305=1

jerryfreak 2011-02-11 07:54

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it says it will become its 'principal' OS.

i think you mean 'goodbye symbian'

chase15 2011-02-11 07:56

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http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/n...ing-this-year/


but im afraid same thing gonna happen like on maemo -.-

ysss 2011-02-11 07:59

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Yeah, I think jerry has got a point.

MeeGo has got decent amount of steam with Intel (and the rest)... and this would be a strategic point for MS as well, I think they may let MeeGo live.

(hopefully)

ivgalvez 2011-02-11 08:00

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He doesn't mention Qt or OVI. Then he clearly states that they will use MS services and development tools.

So good deal Nokia, you are becoming HTC.

Turkishflavor 2011-02-11 08:03

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I guess the N900 will be the LAST completly OPEN phone! too bad!

windows 'effing sh**' phone is so damn close, there is NO mutli-tasking, you are forced to use this crappy ZUNE SOFTWARE, omg, what is nokia thinking?

martinwozenilek 2011-02-11 08:05

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correct. the fact is that ms will never use qt. and nokia, with elop, is now a ms sub company. let qt live only for meego? no. to expensive. meego will die believe me. that's how networking in the upper management works.

the idea of a open source phone is great and correct. but it has failed.

Dave999 2011-02-11 08:07

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I think i means goodbye users. Hello stockholders

mikecomputing 2011-02-11 08:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ysss (Post 941565)
Yeah, I think jerry has got a point.

MeeGo has got decent amount of steam with Intel (and the rest)... and this would be a strategic point for MS as well, I think they may let MeeGo live.

(hopefully)

Ooo CMON!!! get real for **** sake. With this new strategy Meego is dead :-( Intel doesnt give a **** about Meego they have Android/WP7. They may release some prototypes of Meego on MWC but thats it :-(

Cant u people her get the facts this IS the end of Meeego and for Nokia in long run and ofcourse its most stupid thing Nokia has decided so far. Elop and the rest of the Nokia staff is Idiots.

Now I hope HP open up WebOS and integrate QT in its core OS.

ossipena 2011-02-11 08:10

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Quote:

Originally Posted by martinwozenilek (Post 941585)
the idea of a open source phone is great and correct. but it has failed.


shame that there was no opportunity for it to test its wings on the wild.... killed in the cradle.


failing in the wild would be fine for me...

mikecomputing 2011-02-11 08:13

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Turkishflavor (Post 941576)
I guess the N900 will be the LAST completly OPEN phone! too bad!

windows 'effing sh**' phone is so damn close, there is NO mutli-tasking, you are forced to use this crappy ZUNE SOFTWARE, omg, what is nokia thinking?

Like the most stupid stockholder is my guess MONEY.

gregoranderson 2011-02-11 08:14

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So, in reality what this means is:

MS get Nokia's (currently) established reputation in the handset market to push their smartphone OS on a broad scope of devices
MS get NAVTEQ on the cheap which will allow them to at least attempt to catch-up on the embedded systems market (eg. Audi recently Google adopted for their 3rd gen MMI)

Nokia gets ...

Um. What does Nokia get? A chance to sell some IMSIs in the US maybe? A chance to return to simply being a manufacturer?

Ah - Nokia unhook the Ovi millstone from their neck and the costs of maintaining Symbian and all their other expensive experiments.

It's pretty obvious now that this was on the cards a long time ago ; even possible the appointment of Elop was a means to start the transition.

Frankly I couldn't give a flying toss for Nokia other than admiration I had for their fringe pursuits such as the Linux implementation of their internet tablet and the fact that their old S40 handsets were absolute gold when it came to doing what mobile phones are supposed to do.

What does this mean for sponsored / financially supported ventures such as Meego Handset or indeed the ailing Maemo, not to mention the integration of Qt (the chat about MS providing tools to develop product seems to can Qt for me)? Abuse aside, Maemo still benefits from hosting services from Nokia etc - if they were to turn over all source to public domain, that would be interesting, but witness the hoovering up of Symbian - surely a requirement of the merger (did I say merger ... coughs).

We need a clear response regarding the future of Qt, Maemo services and Meego Handset ; I can see Meego itself being returned to Intel - the desktop version is refined enough to go it alone and isn't heavily reliant on the developed Qt framework.

F***ing depressed now. What a waste of time and effort. Apologies for the language.

gilamonyet 2011-02-11 08:18

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Oke..

Wondering where this may end..

abill_uk 2011-02-11 08:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Turkishflavor (Post 941576)
I guess the N900 will be the LAST completly OPEN phone! too bad!

windows 'effing sh**' phone is so damn close, there is NO mutli-tasking, you are forced to use this crappy ZUNE SOFTWARE, omg, what is nokia thinking?

Better reason NOT to sell your N900 !!!.

frostbyte 2011-02-11 08:20

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Oh you gotta be motherf**king kidding me!!! Zen of a b|tch! D**damnit! Great testicles of Thor!

Oukeydoukey, now that I'm over that, how does one crakz da NokindowsSeven phone so I can put WebOS on it?

Oh, did I mention, son of a b|tch!

kenga 2011-02-11 08:20

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Two losers unites, lol.

tmsha 2011-02-11 08:23

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The most promising thing to happen the mobile industry was just killed. This was a public suicide by Nokia, they will never grow to dominate the market with optimal services now..

MasterZap 2011-02-11 08:29

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Time to buy up all N900's there are....

:(

/Z

yamakasi 2011-02-11 08:35

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you ruined my day :(

EDIT:

Nokia: Symbian and MeeGo not dead, still shipping this year

I am just gonna leave this here
http://www.engadget.com/2011/02/11/n...ing-this-year/

stickymick 2011-02-11 08:37

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Quote:

Originally Posted by mikecomputing (Post 941603)
Like the most stupid stockholder is my guess MONEY.

Why do you think it was a bank manager that told Elop to drop MeeGo and Symbian together?

TBH, I'm relieved things didn't go the other way. Nokia jumping into bed with Google. I couldn't live with all the ads if Google get their way.

bandora 2011-02-11 08:43

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I am angered by this news! I've been a Nokia user all my life! But this news angered me so much for a couple of reasons.. WP as a main OS?? WTH! No Qt???? WTH! Meego as a niche platform WTHHHH!!!

I am going to wait till the end of this year.. If they don't deliver updates to Symbian like they were planning before this bs and if this MeeGo product doesn't turn out well and isn't supported (ala N900).. then bye bye Nokia for real this time around you've lost a very faithful customer/user/fanboy/lover...

I seriously have never bought any other phone other than a Nokia because I love their devices and their OS despite their downfalls.. because I liked their vision and their _functionality!_ But now, WP? no multitasking, Microsoft controlling hardware specs (see MicroSD issues).. heck there's no even cut and paste yet! screw that!

tmsha 2011-02-11 08:45

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http://blogs.forum.nokia.com/blog/no...rs?sf1066337=1

spamidi 2011-02-11 08:49

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Its 3 AM CST here in Chicago .. was hoping against hope against this announcement .. after 13 years with Nokia .. its bye bye time ... Elope was a MS agent and he did his job ... sorry Finns a great company of yours will die soon ... will more to Android now ... bye ... Adios ..

vmajor 2011-02-11 08:50

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Nokia is finished.

MeeGo is finished.

Why is Nokia finished? Because Microsoft is not cool (most smart phone buyers are not professionals/informed, so being cool is hugely important). Also because Nokia is behind the curve when it comes to the latest technology. They have a very good packaging ability - ie. they can churn out 235612354 permutations of low end phones using various modules at their disposal, but at the top end, they hardly shine.

N8 is a technological dog (besides the camera), N900 is a technological prehistory, and that's it. There are no more than TWO actual smart phone devices that Nokia managed to release in over one year...

How on earth will Nokia compete against HTC, Korea and whoever else Microsoft snags with the new and improved WP7 offer (thanks to the Nokia de facto acquisition).

V.

icebox 2011-02-11 08:57

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I have supported nokia in many ways for a long time now. This move indeed saddened me. Despite all the criticism, especially from the big mouthed US blogs and journals I was hoping of a bright future for both Symbian and Meego.

It's a good thing the nxx0s gave me many years of really *useful* and flexible mobile devices (albeit with less glitter than the competition)

When my n800 and n900 will eventually die I will do what I did before - buy the next best thing. I bought the n900 when everybody said support from nokia went away simply because it was the only linux in your pocket smartphone. We'll see in a year or two what's next.

My prediction is that this move will gain them almost nothing in the US (which is ironic since all the noise from those annalists and journalists probably caused this in the first place) but will make them loose a lot in europe where I can't see windows phone gaining any real traction

My fondness of Nokia untill now aside:

Bring the popcorn this should be fun!

sachin007 2011-02-11 09:03

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I am so ****ing angry. I have never used a non nokia phone ever. Anger is boiling in me. I hate WP7. Oh god!! OPK, Anssi, & Ari were such nice people. This mother ****ing elop. I am going to kill him if i see him.
Seriously i hate microsoft.

sander 2011-02-11 09:03

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Indeed, goodbye Nokia, long live whatever Linux phone comes next - any suggestions for a nice *NON-Nokia* Linux phone ?

gerbick 2011-02-11 09:04

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Oh I am so subscribing to this thread... the anger is genuine.

And... for no reason. Why not anger at allowing your beloved company to get to this point? It didn't happen overnight.

abill_uk 2011-02-11 09:05

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Will you lot just hold up and wait untill this happens? and for everyone doubting this for lack of apps etc etc please remember one thing here... the Windows OS has not been exploited at all really so if Nokia make it clear that it will use Windows as its OS then you just watch what will be developed !!
IMHO Maemo and Meego lacked support and the reason both will probably die a death.

Sad as it seems lets be honest here... what do we want and need?... a fully funcional OS for our beloved N900 RIGHT ?.

Windows everyone knows, Maemo and meego hardly anyone knows in comparison hence the interest on this subject.

danielsan 2011-02-11 09:06

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Quote:

Originally Posted by sander (Post 941728)
Indeed, goodbye Nokia, long live whatever Linux phone comes next - any suggestions for a nice *NON-Nokia* Linux phone ?

perhaps the upcoming QNX phones from RIMM?

grex 2011-02-11 09:11

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i found a page that mentions the new operational structure of Nokia:

http://www.forummobiles.com/topic/23...ial-brieffing/

It seems like meego will continue in a "Smart Devices" division, however this same division will have to create the "winning Windows Phone"... :-s where is the winning Meego Phone?...
they mention Alberto Torres will step down... who was executive vice president, "responsible for developing solutions and devices based on the MeeGo platform"
http://www.nokia.com/about-nokia/cor...alberto-torres

and Jo Harlow will take over the Smart Devices division... a Psicologist and... captain of the Division 1 women's basketball team....

http://www.nokia.com/A4254075

please tell me this is just a bad dream... Meego, dont go!!!!

geneven 2011-02-11 09:13

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Someone had a long thread about how right their predictions were about what Nokia would do. I'm not (quite) that bad-mannered. But I did say over and over that I just didn't trust Nokia. How right I was. This fits right into my perception of Nokia all along.

77h 2011-02-11 09:13

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o.k. which brand will deliver a meego device... i no longer want nokia. just purchased the n8 - next phone - no more Nokia :(

a sad day for stockholders, a sad day for developers a sad day for consumers.
msft is on the way down and nokia just clinched on to them

johnel 2011-02-11 09:14

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Look at it this way - there is a gap in the market for a phone like Meego/Maemo and HP seem to be doing well with Palms webOS (on tablet).

I knew this day would come as soon as an ex-Microsoft director joined Nokia.

alcalde 2011-02-11 09:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by gerbick (Post 941732)
Oh I am so subscribing to this thread... the anger is genuine.

[

Imagine if you sent an N900 to the the "Will It Blend" guy right now? :p

johnel 2011-02-11 09:15

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 77h (Post 941756)
o.k. which brand will deliver a meego device... i no longer want nokia. just purchased the n8 - next phone - no more Nokia :(

a sad day for stockholders, a sad day for developers a sad day for consumers.
msft is on the way down and nokia just clinched on to them

Actually if I was a stockholder I would be very happy. Shares in Nokia will go up (short term).

As a consumer I am disappointed.

omaniac 2011-02-11 09:16

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who knows what is going to happen to nokia in partner with MS.. they may yet be able to do it and beat other os's out there.. if everything turns out bad then we can rant all we want.. if they succeed, well other os's fanboys will rant in our place.. there is still hope.. they have a plan.. hopefully both will benefit this partnership.. and not MS only.. :)

alcalde 2011-02-11 09:19

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Quote:

Originally Posted by johnel (Post 941760)
Look at it this way - there is a gap in the market for a phone like Meego/Maemo and HP seem to be doing well with Palms webOS (on tablet).


If the N900 was a sales failure, how do you figure there's a gap in the market for a phone like it? HP hasn't released their webOS tablet yet, so how do they seem to be doing well with webOS? :confused:

martinwozenilek 2011-02-11 09:27

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What really sucks is that we don't have any european mobile operating system any more. All are now US (forget BlackBerry)! That's alarming!!!

johnel 2011-02-11 09:29

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Quote:

Originally Posted by alcalde (Post 941773)
If the N900 was a sales failure, how do you figure there's a gap in the market for a phone like it? HP hasn't released their webOS tablet yet, so how do they seem to be doing well with webOS? :confused:

N900 sales failure is due to corporate stupidity.

Since HP have bought Palm they seem to look fairly promising.

The masses are buying iphones and android devices but judging by the activity in this forum people do want an open-sourced based phone. Maybe then a decent linux-based phone can have mass appeal too.

Remember the N900 and Maemo was a viable platform before Nokia decided to re-invent everything again with Meego.

Like I said corporate stupidity.


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