Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

The summary pof Elops statements today:

With WP7 there is no space for MeeGo and Symbian any more. Symbian will have its place in the short run until WP7 is ready.
MeeGo is called a "community project" but we all know how "community projects" are handled at Nokia. Hello Maemo. Besides, after such statements- who does he expect will by the single MeeGo device planned to appear this year after the N900 experience?

With Symbian and MeeGo going down the sink QT will also. No plans for WP7 so here you go.
And no, there is no community to pick Qt up in a way equivalent to Nokia. This will not work withtout a dramatical loss of flexibility unless an investor kicks in. Or TrollTech is revitalized as a single company.

What Elop did is to kill not only platforms but also the whole ecosystem behind them- users base, developers base, community.
There was hope for a brilliant future with lots of visions but Elop listened to the analysts. Which will prove to be completely wrong.

We can see it already today. Well, farewell.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

When you already have other hardware manufacturers selling their products with your OS the best trump card you can play is to merge err I mean "collaborate" with their only competition. If Nokia goes down the toilet, it's one less rival to worry about and if it doesn't, you've just secured a whole new market to sell your .product licenses to.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

Seems like nokia just does not have the guts.

Essentially they are giving up their goal of being a software company by cooperating with big daddy microsoft.

Elop said meego development is too slow...then speed it up for gods sake! You're supposed to be the software guy!

Nokia and everybody depending on it were getting cold feet (or should I say, are peeing their pants for warmth?).

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

Absolutely. Drain resources from Symbian and also hire additional resources for Meego if it's going too slow.

Simple message to give out:
1 Devices before October 1st 2011
5 Devices before January 1st 2012

Throw money at it and say: We're doing this for real.

Axing the software people means they can quickly axe the hardware people as well as there won't be that many devices to sell. So yes a reduction in Nokia employees for real!

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

@Ofels:

I am afraid that you are correct. Sad day.

Well, if you want to post your feelings to Nokia there is lot of comments being posted at Nokia Conversations "Ask Steve and Stephen" post:

http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/...n/?sf1066352=1

Twitter:

Stephen Elop
http://twitter.com/#!/selop

Niklas Savander
http://twitter.com/#!/NiklasatNokia

Tero Ojanperä
http://twitter.com/#!/TeroatNokia

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

I find it kind of hard to comprehend that tweets like those are going to convince anyone:

Empty marketing waffle. Anyone for some "Bullsh*t-Bingo"?

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

This would make the n900 even more a classic device than it is today...

By choosing the WP7 route they are also giving up their goal of being no. one again. No way that is going to happen with WP7. Their only chance for that is Meego...

But surely it seems bad... there are big chance i will go as i do when i buy a computer next time.. that is for specs. And the flash it with Ubuntu or some other flavour.

But who know... maybe another company can see the light now? There is no way to stop evolution. Especially if it is better and free.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

Symbian too?

All that time an effort on QT, Intel partnership and what not. What a waste of cycles.

Bye Nokia.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

Qt will live on for other open source projects.

This is without a doubt the dumbest move in Nokia history.

http://oi55.tinypic.com/51vz1y.jpg

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

So Flop's talk about ecosystems and burning platforms meant:

A). Handing out Nokia's ecosystem to Microsoft for free.
B). Setting Meego on fire.
C.) Setting Qt on fire.
D). Throwing gasoline on allready burning Symbian.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

All the news is still sinking in, but at the moment I don't know who i feel more sorry for.

Is it the developers who were training up for MeeGo? Is it the Intel reps getting ready to show off their MeeGo wares at the MWC booths, after their major partner just dismissed it as a hobbyist platform and pretty insignifgant for the next few years. Is it the smaller companies like Neofonie who put their faith and limited resources in MeeGo by bringing us the first real commercial tablet WeTab. Is it the MeeGo bloggers who put their own money into travelling to MWC hoping to report some good news? Is it the volunteer MeeGO ambassadors, running their local groups all over the world? Job losses in Finland.. ok I could go on and on..

And it's not just Maemo/MeeGo, what about the E7 - now we know why the release was hastily brought forward a few days before this announcement. A great little phone undermined before it's even started selling. I thought that kind of nonsense would be gone under Elop.

Whatever the future, I don't regret owning a N900 and if MeeGo brings more of the same then I'll still be onboard for MeeGo.

Edit: I actually meant to post the above on the other thread but I guess it fits here too

I think of the three mentioned in the thread title - Symbian, MeeGo, and Qt - then Qt is definitely the safest in Nokia's plans. And it's a great skill to have by the way, I have been job hunting and noticed that it is popping up quite a lot in job vanancy adverts. I think it's future is assured.

Symbian is on the way out, but we knew that anyway. And to be honest it's no great loss. You look at it and think - the oS is solid, just needs a bit of up-to-date modernisation but after years Nokia still can't get that right. Time to put it out to pasture.

MeeGo sounds like the new Maemo, as far as Nokia is concerned, so I guess we're back to step 1/5. But it's not like Symbian, it's still around and growing and getting better. Symbian never had a hope of being on anything other than a smartphone, but MeeGo can and maybe that'll be Nokia's chance to diverify again into other devices such as the rumoured MeeGo tablet later this year. I don't think we've seen the last of MeeGo and Nokia yet.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

Honestly I don´t think so. Having WP7 as primary platform Nokia already noted that there is no place for QT on these devices. This makes it playground for Symbian and MeeGo only. Symbian is going down the sink anway and MeeGo is of no strategical value so investment into QT will be drastically reduced.
If at all the future of QT is not lying inside Nokia but outside. But this can not be done from a community only- QT has grown too large that a community can cover the whole framework. Especially not on all platforms. An existing community like KDE might focus on important parts of the framework but not without withdrawing resources from the main project.
The only solution to this dilemma I see is an investor who sponsors further development. Or a revitalization of TrollTech.

Otherwise I do not see a future for the framework as we know it.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

what will i buy next? Android probably.

i would still prefer to have a Meego device but after today's symphony of unmitigated cretinism i simply don't trust Nokia to execute it competently.

Meego no longer a platform = stupid stupid idea!
No QT on nokia Win7 phones = stupid stupid idea!

how does nokia manage to be this incompetent?

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

Man, it was fun while it lasted.

It's pretty hard to be angry this time; at least they went out in a blaze of glory sacrificing just about everything they had. Only time will tell if their strategy of cooling off their remaining loyal developers with a nice golden shower was the right idea. The current stock price certainly reflects this.

Regardless of what happens, I love my N900 to bits. It's by far the most powerful handheld device I've ever used, certainly the best thing Nokia has ever made. Hopefully Qt will live on, even though the "unified developer story" has just been taken out into the square and shot in the genitals, along with any chance of R&D funding.

So, I hear HP Palm is going all in with this Linux thing! Hey, if it's good enough for Ari Jaaksi...

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

well, i said it last year that meego is DEAD.... and it looks like i was wright all along. Nokia made the right decision because they already knew that meego could not compete with Apple,Android and now MS. If they released it like they did maemo without the app store then it FAILS. Not mention meego needs to come out the shop with pretty much all the stuff that Apple/Android is doing and even more for it to stand a chance.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

Same time at HP
http://www.linux.com/news/featured-b...ws?sf1055845=1

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

hahaha I remember I started a thread as a joke like 6 months ago. It got deleted by mods in like 20 minutes the thread was something like "nokia scraps meego for newgo".

It is safe to say the n900 will be my last Nokia phone. Absolutely shame on Nokia for wasting so many smart peoples time.

I hope the company and eflop go down like the Titanic.

Then again can we really complain? After they did it to Maemo months after the n900?
As the saying goes..."fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me".

Thank god I am not a developer who put time and effort into first maemo then meego...I think I would be looking for blood.

Good bye forever Nokia. I hope your customer base proves to be as fickle to you as you do to them.

What a joke you turned out to be.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

No, wonder Ari Jaaksi left to HP. Wonder if he was told this so much ahead or did he just read between lines.

Todays annoucement also explains why Flop removed Anssi Vanjoki from executive board months before Anssi's job contract ended. Becoming box manufacturer is just the kind of "pissing in pants for warmth" that Anssi would have fought to the bitter end.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

i would also prefer meego but with what's happening to nokia, i'm not sure if i'm going to buy one again. the only things that keeps me clinging is that they're generous putting large memory on their devices, camera, and build compared to android devices...

nokia can't make up its mind and it's exhausting...

* they announced that maemo will be for high-end devices and demoted symbian

* maemo got left out while symbian still got lots of updates

* killed maemo and turned meego

* still love symbian and still put on high-end n8

* meego and n9 were almost there

* they got killed

* wp7 is the new path

once a htc dual core with hardware keyboard comes out, i'm moving on...bye to nokia till you learn to get firm with your plans and decisions...

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

oh believe me, with Elop at the helm, this move is permanent - if there is anything positive to come out of this is that there is 100% certainty now where the company is going.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

Looking bright, ain't it?

Nokia/Elop: "Mayday...Mayday....Mayday!!! We're all standing on a burning platform. Is there anyone out there?"

Cue the sound of the M$ outboard motor coming from the distance *Developers..Developers...Developers...Developers......

M$/Ballmer: "Aaaaaallllll aboooaaaaard!!!!!!"

Nokia/Elop: "My old mate Steve! I knew someone would save us, but who better than you":D

Motorboat pulls away from the burning platform:
*Developers....Developers....Developers....Developers*

In the far distance we hear a blood curdling scream:

"F*****G HELL!!!!! THIS BOAT IS SINKING!!!!!!"

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

Thanks mate, I havent had a geniue laugh that hard in ages.

The developer chant as a boat siren had me it stiches - lucky I wasnt drinking tea

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

LOL

It is really embarassing. I mean everybody was talking "Qt Qt Qt" for almost 3 years. And people finally believed in it, I mean who did not download the Qt SDK 1.1 tech preview?

Elop may go down in history as the most ******ed CEO ever.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

If Meego is not dead already, then this message from Elop has killed it. Why would a rational developer want to invest time and money in Meego or QT if they know that Nokia considers Meego to be a side project? Microsoft will be very happy to see Meego die. I am sure this will end bady. Elop's analogy of the burning platform is apt - the man diving into the water to escape the flames had to be rescued by someone else.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

What I dont understand is why Win 7? And why not Android?

Android could have been used to replace Symbian, QT ported over to Android and Nokia could then have Android and Meego phones with Qt compatible apps for both

Seems like N900 will be my last Nokia phone :(

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

well DUH - look at the new CEO...

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

From what I've seen thousands of company's/spammers are gearing up to take advantage of Google's ad..................:eek: Wait! Just seen this: Nokia to build ad serving machines?

WebOS it is then. (If they don't go that route too).

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

Well yes but why continue to be loyal to your old company?
This may be the most idiotic decision by any CEO ever... did no one try to argue with him?

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

Well who could? Those in charge at nokia ****ed up everything in the last 5 years or so. They'll do anything that elop says.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

Where the hell is my MeeGo device? One "by the end of 2011"? I'd love to believe that but it was previously hinted as being Q1 2011.

Many people have [rightly, IMO] twisted the "burning platform" analogy into something resembling the truth (i.e. WTF is going to happen to MeeGo and Qt and all the people who worked on/trusted in that?)

...and the analysts are now directing every action at Nokia. I've been a Nokia zealot (yep, sure, fanboy, whatever) for ten years, but I'm really struggling to find the silver lining here.

I think I speak for a number of us when I say: AAAAAAUUUURRGH!

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

... you obviously never worked at a high level in a corporation...

old boys network, you build relationships that last your entire life...

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

I can see why they are doing this, WM7 is like its ancestors just there. Windows Mobile is often derided as this and that but it has weathered alot, been there for people and is simple more or less to use. No not slick like iOs, novel like Maemo or quirky like WebOS ... just there like windows.

Nokia is making the move to hold $$ not lead as the primary innovates of smartphone devices. Lets be honest most advanced users do not pick Symbian over the various alternatives. It's a low end mobile OS that's getting old fast. So this is a survival decision from a hardware manufacturer to out source its hardware to another OS manufacturer.

As too Maemo, its more or less been in our [the communities] hands from the get go. Meego ... a clone [phone wise] of another OS. Meego Tablet is still not ready for prime time, while its competitors are in the field getting the patches and service updates from real use. Which is classic Intel too, very slow to come to market and often late to innovate.

These are just my oppinions :) I personally love the N900, which I feel is extremely unique in the present market place, in fact I bought it knowing it was a white elephant from the get go. Having come from the Zaurus community I can tell you these devices can live on a VERY long time with support and motivation from the community.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

I guess what can you expect from a former MS employee? So disappointing though, Nokia have just thrown away their individuality in the market and become a hardware developer.

How stupid can Elop be? He really think Nokia will get to number one by not having any distinguished features from other brands?

I think their best strategy all along would have been continue Symbian as they did, continue and develop Maemo for the high-end with a gradual shift to MeeGo once it was ready. That way they would never have been left with zero high-end phones on the market for all this time.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

The big question in my mind is, if Elop sees just what an idiot he is by the stock market and the total lack of rejoice in the Nokia userbase, is he able to change his decision?

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

Think they just want to go hardware provider like HTC is. Seems like a safer market to them I am sure. Eventually they can offer device platforms for various OS's etc. Atm deal made with M$ to get there feet wet.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

Elop doesn't have loads of shares in Google.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

So if the memo was real, Elop's grand view of the 'innovation' coming to market faster was giving it all up and joining MicroShit? An OS that isn't even a threat? With all this pony about 'can there be more than 3 OSs?', if Nokia had got Maemo right or stayed with MeeGo, they could probably have killed WP7 anyway. It's not like the world wants, needs, or really cares about a Windows mobile operating system.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

I dunno. Just sad. I just hope that
Bright minds of Nokia (ex employees) + Aava + Intel and other partners who are ready to make their own ecosystem start building up something wonderful.

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

Lets show him that he is wrong by buying the meego phone... who is with me?

Re: Amazing - Elop lays the axe on Symbian, MeeGo and QT
 

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