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herpderp 2011-02-11 17:02

Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
Ok, I've been watching this whole drama unfold, and I can't help but think that there's a grand scheme of things that are happening, which will eventually lead to the assimilation of Nokia into Microsoft.

How about this:

- the n900+Maemo5 comes out, with great potential, and grandiose plans for Maemo6
- Microsoft convinces Intel to somehow jump on this bandwagon, and try to slow down the development, thus MeeGo is born
- the slowdown is successful, the company seems to be in trouble, and that is often solved by a CEO change, and the board eventually decide just that
- this is MS's biggest chance, they convince the board to hire Elop as the CEO
- Elop is of course still on MS payroll, and quickly kills off MeeGo and the technologies around it

If this theory has some truth, then MeeGo was only a distraction, sort of a trojan horse, along with Elop in the second round. When he was hired, the plan was complete.

The next step should be an offer from Microsoft to buy Nokia. And looking at some numbers Nokia's market cap is currently around $35B, while Microsoft's cash reserves are thought to be around $40B, meaning they could make an offer right away.

My guess is that today's announcement is made to disrupt the market, and make everyone angry with Nokia - the shares have already fallen 13+%, Microsoft will probably wait a bit more, so that it falls even lower, and then they will make a generous offer, maybe as soon as this year, maybe next year, but it wouldn't be surprising to see it happen.

That's all. I had to get this out of my system. Any thoughts from the community?

djs_tx 2011-02-11 17:16

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
The problem is you have to think that Maemo was headed to greatness under the leadership of Nokia and that Microsoft actually saw this as a threat.

Both those are unlikely assumptions.
David

Rauha 2011-02-11 17:17

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
Microsoft got Nokia for free. No need to buy it, nor is there any need for conspiracies. It's just stupidity.

herpderp 2011-02-11 17:18

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
No, you got that wrong. They didn't see it as a thread, in fact, they probably thought it's weak enough to water it down, to slow down Nokia even more, to lose their value so they become a great prey for a buyout.

funkmunk 2011-02-11 17:20

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
i agree with this..it seems like MS will buyout Nokia in the months to come...

kyllerbuzcut 2011-02-11 17:21

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
So- someone tell me when to sell all my kids clothes so I can buy some nokia shares before it all happens hehe:)

ysss 2011-02-11 17:24

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
One sign if you're fanboyish:
- You consistently overvalue your favored brand/gadget. You think everyone else wants it/values it as much as you do.

maluka 2011-02-11 17:24

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
Elop sold Nokia, OVI Maps, OVI Store and Symbian to Microsoft for $0.

No need for Microsoft to buy it.

I can tell you that Elop is not a very popular guy in Finland right now. 10000 people will lose their jobs.

herpderp 2011-02-11 17:27

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
I'm not a fanboy by far. Microsoft needs something like Nokia to succeed in the mobile business. Just remember their epic failures Kin 1 & 2. They can't afford WinMo7 to sink, so they need a great manufacturer.

Buying them is just an inevitable consequense to "make things simpler" between the two companies.

Rauha 2011-02-11 17:28

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maluka (Post 942825)
10000 people will lose their jobs.

That's the only good thing about todays annoucement. Way too many people with gifts and education have been misused by Nokia inept management.

There's going to be small and short term negative effect, but long term the economy will be much better off, once all those people will start doing something constructive in properly managed businesess and organizations.

Rugoz 2011-02-11 17:33

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
I would have been fine with a two-platform approach, wp7 and meego.
And let the customers choose. But wp7 only just stinks.

geneven 2011-02-11 17:34

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Rauha (Post 942836)
That's the only good thing about todays annoucement. Way too many people with gifts and education have been misused by Nokia inept management.

There's going to be small and short term negative effect, but long term the economy will be much better off, once all those people will start doing something constructive in properly managed businesess and organizations.

I think the whole smartphone explosion resembles another recent boom -- the housing market. People aren't going to stay willing to pay such huge monthly amounts for the small benefits they get. The decline and fall is coming.

GameboyRMH 2011-02-11 17:36

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
Here's a much better conspiracy theory I ran across on Slashdot:

http://slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=...2&cid=35173182

herpderp 2011-02-11 17:41

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
I'm not sure it's that much better.

leetnoob 2011-02-11 17:44

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by maluka (Post 942825)
Elop sold Nokia, OVI Maps, OVI Store and Symbian to Microsoft for $0.

No need for Microsoft to buy it.

I can tell you that Elop is not a very popular guy in Finland right now. 10000 people will lose their jobs.


nope, he didnt sell it for $0 . in an interview he said that they were paying microsoft a royality for wp7 and also swapping ip rights. so in fact he PAID microsoft to take it all.

microsolft got paid to take nokias software. ballmer said it wasnt an exclusive relationship. so HTC et al now get all nokias software too. and nokia paid microsoft for this.

GameboyRMH 2011-02-11 17:45

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
By "better" I meant "more plausible."

airjaff 2011-02-11 17:45

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
I think its good nokia and microsoft has got together! Finally they will be able to come out with a phone that can shut apple up! With nokia onboard im sure wp7 will get really good!

Rauha 2011-02-11 17:49

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by airjaff (Post 942869)
I Finally they will be able to come out with a phone that can shut apple up!!

Well, it's all ok then. As long as it shuts Apple up. :rolleyes:

cddiede 2011-02-11 19:38

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
http://www.xtranormal.com/watch/11108610

marxian 2011-02-11 19:45

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
Don't mind me, I'm just popping by to get some popcorn.

Please continue. :D

ysss 2011-02-11 19:50

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
This must be what the Titanic felt like right right after they got friendly with an iceberg.
Do two rights right a wrong?

John McClane 2011-02-11 19:51

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
Hmmm!!
Smelling the salty, buttery flavor of Popcorn all over T.M.O :p

Funklord 2011-02-16 05:09

Re: Intel + Microsoft, and the assimilation of Nokia - a conspiracy theory
 
herpderp: If it eases your mind, this is exactly what I believe.
Maemo is/was the only alternative platform that has something genuinely new to bring to the table since it consists mainly of open and free software.
= it replaces your desktop PC for most tasks that people do.
Also, so far, Maemo is the only platform that fully utilises the hardware it's on.

If Nokia had stood by Maemo a little bit longer (without the meego distraction) the tables would have been turned.
Most manufacturers would be coming to Nokia for a cross-licensing deal, to use Maemo instead of Android.
The platform is THAT much better, it's just a few of the programs that suck.
(which is not strange considering the short timeframe for development)

Since Nokia are among the best at hardware, It's in Nokias best interest to create a working open platform, even if they have to give it away for free.
I still admire the simplicity and versatility of the PCB in my E63 which was sold for 200eur; incredible hardware design.
I always thought that Nokia was planning a future "killer" phone by putting maemo on a simpler and more compact PCB.

People are currently having their honeymoon with "smartphones".
(Most buyers atm haven't owned enough different smartphones to make an educated evaluation of them, they just buy the shiniest one)
But, selling turd to farmers isn't a viable business model in the long run. And it's most certainly not a project that any real developers want to work on.

WindowsCE, IphoneOS, Android are just rehashes of the same rotten ideas.
Ideas that a phone is somehow different from a PC.
Sure, the UIs look nice, but no real developers want to work on those platforms.
Therefore most, if not all, software available for them is useless.

Meego was a huge effort just to rebrand and change to a worse package manager, and as everyone knows, developers do not take unnecessary change requests lightly. I'm pretty sure this caused major disruption and turmoil internally.

Also, I believe if a change in package manager was to be made, in the long run it would've been beneficial to change something like portage (as a C implementation).
That would've given Maemo a huge edge over anything the competition had to offer in the future.


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